I HATE THE ELEAF LEMO TANKS.

[Two_Bears]

OK... But I got some Bad News for You Sunshine.

I've done this e-Cigarette thing for a Long Time. And I Can't Think of a Single Product, by ANY Manufacture, that I haven't Read about somebody having some Problem.

So maybe that "One tank is Too Many" thing is Unrealistic?

With computer operated mills to mill the parts every single one should be a carbon copy of every other tank of that design.

If a person was milling them by hand you would expect slight variations but not in a mass produced attt. With conouter controlled lathes my statement stands 1 is too many.

 

[Two_Bears]

I think we've established the common denominator here, and this guy won't listen to reason or let someone help him. So what's the point?

With computer controlled lathes they should be absolutely IDENTICAL I have yet to see anyone post a reasonable explanation why mass produced tanks should have these issues.

 

[Two_Bears]

The Lemo 2 was my first RTA and I haven't had any issues with it as of yet. No leaks and decent clouds. My biggest complaint is that the screws on the deck are too small and you almost have to use the tiny holes for coils. That being said, I have a Goblin on it's way as we speak.

Glad the Lemo 2 worked out for you.

Well I have and love the Goblin Mini and the screws in that almost need magnification. AWESOME flavor by the way.

 

[hypocritelecteur]

Liked what you said enough to post it three times?
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say there. It seems like you're arguing with reality more than anything.

 

[zoiDman]

With computer operated mills to mill the parts every single one should be a carbon copy of every other tank of that design.

If a person was milling them by hand you would expect slight variations but not in a mass produced attt. With conouter controlled lathes my statement stands 1 is too many.

So what was the Dimensional Problem that you saw?

How much Under/Oversized was your Tank?

You sure User Error can be 100% Ruled out in All your Problems?

 

[hypocritelecteur]

I'm sure he is sure.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

My original Lemos do fine. Simple, good balance of results, worth the small amount of money (comparatively).

 

[Ou2mame]

I'm using my lemo 2 right now.. And it's great. I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[DaveP]

I"m sure the Lemo is a great tank. I've become very wary about buying anything until it's been around so long that everyone has one. Seriously, most of what I buy I try not to buy right after the factory beta test is complete. I'd rather read threads like this until everyone loves it, then buy.

I bought quickly on the iStick 50W and had both replaced under warranty within the first month for dead displays. They replaced the first and credited the second one so I could select the mod of my choice. I chose the Innokin Cool Fire 4. It's a great mod, but the green light doesn't go out when it's charged until you unplug the USB cord and re-plug it. Then, it goes through the light cycle and the green light goes out (if it's then fully charged). So, you have to periodically do the unplug/re-plug thing until the light doesn't stay on.

Even with that defect, I love that mod. I'm just pointing out that lots of Chinese (and probably some American) vape products are poorly tested or just sent out the door with minor and sometimes major defects. The only way to test the waters is to read these threads.

 

[milescadre]

I'll bite =3

With computer operated mills to mill the parts every single one should be a carbon copy of every other tank of that design.

If a person was milling them by hand you would expect slight variations but not in a mass produced attt. With conouter controlled lathes my statement stands 1 is too many.

With computer controlled lathes they should be absolutely IDENTICAL I have yet to see anyone post a reasonable explanation why mass produced tanks should have these issues.

Mhmkay, so this is a cool lesson I learned from locksport; in a perfect world, lock picking would be impossible. This is because all the pin holes would be perfectly aligned straight. They would be perfectly smooth. There would be 0 friction between the pin and the walls. You get my point.

Problem is, we dont live in a perfect world. Variations in materials, manufacturing processes (IE, if one worker mis-aligns the super accurate computer), not to mention the most important; cutting tools wear down.

So by the 1000th unit cut by the same bit, we are to expect some imperfections in manufacturing.

Furthermore, these companies cut costs at every chance they get. So if they use, say, cheap cutting tools to begin with, or perhaps they get low grade materials, its a valid argument that the product could have variations. Just look at fast tech clones; no 2 are the same =)

Even the most accurate computerized mills must be set and programmed by a human. And humans, as it would turn out, are imperfect.

 

[zoiDman]

What I think would be Cool is if there were Polls where people could Post if they Do/Don't have problems with things like Leaking. Or 510 Pin Issues.

Sounds like the OP has had some Problems with the Tanks he has bough. Not saying that he Hasn't. But it would be Nice though to know out of 100 People, how many people have Similar Problems.

Just going by what I see in This thread. It seems like Leaking is Not a Widespread issue.

 

[Panorama911]

With computer controlled lathes they should be absolutely IDENTICAL I have yet to see anyone post a reasonable explanation why mass produced tanks should have these issues.

Tooling wear can produce variance in dimensions. I highly doubt that the + or - tolerance is set to a critical range such a +/- .05 thousandths, most likely +/- 5 to 10 thousandths or greater which indeed could allow for leakage, vacuum loss, etc.

In reality there is rarely a carbon copy and in order to get that, there usually are secondary and more machining processes to ensure it. But in the case of manufacturing steel parts for E cig tanks, I highly doubt the parts are using any, just machine and de burr/tumbling mediums....Jet engine fuel nozzles you can bet there are many steps to ensure close tolerance, but try to buy one nozzle, you can bet it will cost a fortune..and they do!....There lies the moral.

 

[roxynoodle]

Well, I built my newly adopted Lemo Drop today, and its working perfectly, too.

 

[Highwayman1224]

I don't even close my airflow off on my Lemo 2 when I fill it & it doesn't Leak.

 

[Two_Bears]

I think its cute you either ignored my post or have no retort. But heres mine towards your eleaf has bad QC remarrk;

I went to my local vape shop and showed them this thread. So I said "Can I see 5 of these guys, and see whats goin on" and all 5 got coils in, and fired perfectly, and we used the top fill with 0 leaks. Infact, I was impressed enough to buy one of the 5. Then, we offered to build and fill every lemo 2 and lemo drop that left that store that day (which was a additional 3 from the first 5). All the customers were happy, and no leaks or issues were found with rigorous testing.

idk bout you, but that must be some bad QC to have the first 8 tanks pulled off the shelf to work flawlessly... oh wait =)

Course, you could get a goblin, have a claustrophobic deck and a pain in the rear fill method, but might make you a happier vaper.

my 2 cents on the bit.

Let's take a minute to make sure that we are fair

1. I said the Lemo 2 leaked, and I explained that I was carrying via lanyarx and the Lemo2 was hanging at an angle and leaked from the fill port.

2. I never said the Lemo Droo

Liked what you said enough to post it three times?
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say there. It seems like you're arguing with reality more than anything.

Find anything you can to nitpucky OK. Sorry my lousy WiFi hiccups and sometimes I post duplicates because I am unsure if the message was sent or not. Sorry my computer is a wireless device that changes what I write.

 

[milescadre]

Let's take a minute to make sure that we are fair

1. I said the Lemo 2 leaked, and I explained that I was carrying via lanyarx and the Lemo2 was hanging at an angle and leaked from the fill port.

2. I never said the Lemo Droo


Find anything you can to nitpucky OK. Sorry my lousy WiFi hiccups and sometimes I post duplicates because I am unsure if the message was sent or not. Sorry my computer is a wireless device that changes what I write.

still doesnt explain how every eleaf lemo tank (regardless of model) had 0 issues that left that day. Still waiting for your response to my machining comment

Furthermore, he wasnt refering to 3 identical posts, but 3 posts refering to the same issue of machining QC, which myself and panorama debunked.

 

[hypocritelecteur]

^^Yup.

 

[Two_Bears]

If you had gotten a bad one like I did you would know what I am talking about.

I'll bite =3





Mhmkay, so this is a cool lesson I learned from locksport; in a perfect world, lock picking would be impossible. This is because all the pin holes would be perfectly aligned straight. They would be perfectly smooth. There would be 0 friction between the pin and the walls. You get my point.

Problem is, we dont live in a perfect world. Variations in materials, manufacturing processes (IE, if one worker mis-aligns the super accurate computer), not to mention the most important; cutting tools wear down.

So by the 1000th unit cut by the same bit, we are to expect some imperfections in manufacturing.

Furthermore, these companies cut costs at every chance they get. So if they use, say, cheap cutting tools to begin with, or perhaps they get low grade materials, its a valid argument that the product could have variations. Just look at fast tech clones; no 2 are the same =)

Even the most accurate computerized mills must be set and programmed by a human. And humans, as it would turn out, are imperfect.

Yes machining ebd milla and bits Wear. Even diamonds and ultra hard super steels like D2, CPM3V will wear. What you do to keep someone from getting a bad tank or atty what you do for every 10th or 50th tank or atty you remove a sample and check for tolerances. When something get 1-2 1,000th of an inch remove that end mill or bit.

I an not talking rocket science or brain surgery here.

Most everyone has examined a soda can. The walls of a soda can is only 4/1000 of an inch thick.

My first eCigarette the evod had tolerances so tight the ejuice would not get to the wicks UNLESS I removed the gasket from the Kanger tech coil. The space between the gasket and the glass wall of the tank was much wider than the thickness of the wall of the soda can and my 50/50 ejuice would not feed the wicks of my coil head.

I have two friends that run machine shops, and one of them Sam D designs C2C computer controlled lathes.

If you want to ridicule and make fun of me and think me a fool; be my guest!

 

[zoiDman]

If you had gotten a bad one like I did you would know what I am talking about.


Yes machining ebd milla and bits Wear. Even diamonds and ultra hard super steels like D2, CPM3V will wear. What you do to keep someone from getting a bad tank or atty what you do for every 10th or 50th tank or atty you remove a sample and check for tolerances. When something get 1-2 1,000th of an inch remove that end mill or bit.

I an not talking rocket science or brain surgery here.

Most everyone has examined a soda can. The walls of a soda can is only 4/1000 of an inch thick.

My first eCigarette the evod had tolerances so tight the ejuice would not get to the wicks UNLESS I removed the gasket from the Kanger tech coil. The space between the gasket and the glass wall of the tank was much wider than the thickness of the wall of the soda can and my 50/50 ejuice would not feed the wicks of my coil head.

I have two friends that run machine shops, and one of them Sam D designs C2C computer controlled lathes.

If you want to ridicule and make fun of me and think me a fool; be my guest!

Before you Get to far down the "My Tank Wasn't Machines Correctly" road. Why do you think your Tank wasn't Machined Correctly?

Not saying it Couldn't have Been. But Chances are there is a Higher Probability that the O-Rings/Seal was Out of Print (OOP) than the O-Ring Groove or Feature on your Tanks was OOP.

 

[roxynoodle]

Mr. Bear, feel free to send me the defective Lemos. I will check them out for you, see if they're working correctly and send them back with a new build for you to try. That one I just adopted supposedly had a horrible burnt taste. It doesn't, its fine. The only suspect thing I saw when I pulled it apart were that the seals were really discolored for some reason. I replaced them. It also has a small dent. I'll assume it was dropped and landed in such a way to cause it. The dent does not affect it in any way and its very tiny.

This goes for any member. If you're having major issues with an RTA, I'm willing to go over it, fix anything that needs it, and return it to you. Or help with the build.