I was gonna but I decided not to it's not so much the craving im having Troubles with so I'd rather leave tobbaco out completely , if I have the urge to smoke I can just have a funny cigarette cause the ego was helping with my cravings the 6 days I didn't smoke were pleasant days it's just I wasn't putting effort at all I just non chalantly started again , and was doing the whole don't feel guilty thing and it's ok to smoke a little , boom right back to pack a day , I just have to give it an honeSt effort this time around
I have to quit vaping
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Good call, time for a funny cig of me own 
Still tryin to get used to them with no tobacco.. Also you're right about the "it's ok to smoke a little", if I light even 1 cig I know I'll be back to square 1.
I'm trying to treat it as a brand switch, Du Maurier no longer exists and so I have to smoke these eGos. There is no quitting. Working so far, though it's only been 2 days. Still the longest I've ever gone in 23 years.
Still tryin to get used to them with no tobacco.. Also you're right about the "it's ok to smoke a little", if I light even 1 cig I know I'll be back to square 1. I'm trying to treat it as a brand switch, Du Maurier no longer exists and so I have to smoke these eGos. There is no quitting. Working so far, though it's only been 2 days. Still the longest I've ever gone in 23 years.
Good on you for recognizing that, wood. Give it that honest effort this time. Down the road, you might also want to look into an automatic battery - don't know if you care about that aspect, but for myself the automatic batts made everything so much easier.
At any rate, you've recognized what you were doing, your old pattern, & why you were stumbling. Now you just gotta stick with vaping & don't touch even one tobacco cig ('cause you know for you it leads right back to square one).
When you feel a craving, give yourself 15 to 30 minutes to vape your brains out, lol, at the nic level & vapour level that really satisfies. Make a cup of coffe. Pretty sure that 30 minutes later, you'll be fine.
You can do this!! We're praying for you!
I read something a while back that the difference between american and sweedish snus is that the american stuff is fire cured and the sweedish is not and this is what brings out even more chemicals. (could be wrong but I'm sure I read that, just cant remember where...
Yeah I don't remember where I read about snus, but I definitely remember seeing that the Swedish version is the only one healthier than analogs. I'll try to find it, I also remember a HUGE percentage of the Swedish male population use it.
Personally I don't want to walk around with "Godfather lip"
Edit: This is from the snus wiki:
Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe
Personally I don't want to walk around with "Godfather lip"
Edit: This is from the snus wiki:
Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe
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I'm not sure if it qualifies as snus but I used to use skoal once in a while on field excercises cause we're not allowed to smoke at night. Used to give my a really sore lip and gums.
Yeah actually, snus is so widely used in Sweden and all of the Scandinavian countries for that matter, that most of them are outlawing cigarettes completely, without much opposition. They have used Snus over there for a long time.
Skoal is a type of Snuff I believe, Oral Snuff. SNUS as far as I know comes in tea bags and is meant to be sucked on while Snuff is loose and meant to be chewed and spit out. It's pretty much the same thing but loose tobaccos normally fall under the "snuff" category.
Oh, and to anyone wondering about trying Nasal Snuff... DON'T!
Swedish snus is definitely less carcinogenic than U.S. snus and chew because of the curing process, but ALL smokeless tobacco is less hazardous than smoking, not just snus. No smokeless tobacco has been shown to cause the same number of illnesses and diseases as smoking. And since no smokeless tobacco causes lung cancer or other lung diseases, that automatically makes it healthier than smoking, IMO. Trust me, I love my husband more than anything, so I did my research!
Snus comes in a little pouch and you can even get minis. I don't even notice when my husband has one in his mouth - they're pretty small. He doesn't put it in the front lip though, he puts it on the side.
Swedish snus is more mellow than chew. Skoal is not snus.
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Only thing is long term use of chew, snuff, snus ect.. Will cause some serious damage to your teeth and gums. Not can, might or maybe it WILL.
Just wanted to say that so it doesn't come out as a too perfect sounding solutions, and I only recommended it as a short term solution to get off cigs.
As an aside.. Skoal does make "packs" of chew, which the same as snus are contained in a tea bag, but are the regular American snuff product no snus (awesome flavors BTW LOL). Recently Marlboro and Camel have entered the game producing snus. Opponents call it American Snus not made to the same standard as the Swiss. If that is true or not, who knows.
With snus you do not spit you swallow. With chew/snuff you spit (you have to be a tough old hillbilly to "gut" it)
Snus tastes salty and strange, maybe like chewing on salty cork. American chew tends to have heavy flavors/sweetness added to it to make it more tasty.
Just wanted to say that so it doesn't come out as a too perfect sounding solutions, and I only recommended it as a short term solution to get off cigs.
As an aside.. Skoal does make "packs" of chew, which the same as snus are contained in a tea bag, but are the regular American snuff product no snus (awesome flavors BTW LOL). Recently Marlboro and Camel have entered the game producing snus. Opponents call it American Snus not made to the same standard as the Swiss. If that is true or not, who knows.
With snus you do not spit you swallow. With chew/snuff you spit (you have to be a tough old hillbilly to "gut" it)
Snus tastes salty and strange, maybe like chewing on salty cork. American chew tends to have heavy flavors/sweetness added to it to make it more tasty.
Kristin,
I respect your movement (CASAA) but tobacco substitutes are a long way more armful than vaping. Less armful than the alternative, but harmful nonetheless. Albeit they do not expose by-standers to second hand smoke. Long and short, addicts need to deal with their addiction, some struggle more than others.
I respect your movement (CASAA) but tobacco substitutes are a long way more armful than vaping. Less armful than the alternative, but harmful nonetheless. Albeit they do not expose by-standers to second hand smoke. Long and short, addicts need to deal with their addiction, some struggle more than others.
I have to disagree with you, Switched. Swedish snus has the actual scientific research to back it up. It's 98-99% less harmful than smoking and there is no science that suggests it's any more harmful than vaping. However, while other smokeless tobacco is much less harmful than smoking, I agree they aren't as low risk as Swedish snus and may not be as low risk vaping. We don't know the long-term affects of vaping yet, though. And other new smokeless products - such as Orbs and strips - may be even safer, since nothing is inhaled.
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What I was trying to get at, was not to trade one addiction with another. I vape as a cessation method and eventually wish to be free from nicotine. I am on my way... albeit we do not know the long term effects of vaping, we do know our liquids do not contain some of the other addictive properties contained in tobacco or their replacements.
That whole snus,snuff thing never appealed to me.The pics I've seen of some oral cancers weren't pretty.I luckily survived lung cancer,but was still addicted to cigs until I found vaping.
Vaped and smoked about 3 months,then just quit the butts.Haven't faltered for 3 months now so I'm hopeful.I have been able to cut the nic level down pretty quick.Doing 10-12mg,down from 24 or so.Seem to be ok with it which surprises me as I was a heavy 3 pad smoker for the last 30 years and smoked regularly for 10 years before that.
Vaped and smoked about 3 months,then just quit the butts.Haven't faltered for 3 months now so I'm hopeful.I have been able to cut the nic level down pretty quick.Doing 10-12mg,down from 24 or so.Seem to be ok with it which surprises me as I was a heavy 3 pad smoker for the last 30 years and smoked regularly for 10 years before that.
I agree with both of you partially, having tried skoal numerous times I can say that smokeless tobacco can satisfy in ways that NRTs can not. Probobly due to the other chemical substances in tobacco that aren't found in NRTs. This can help break the hand to mouth habit and start the ball rolling on quitting. But as Switched said it is really just trading one addiction for another and for some people (including me) this can be very dangerous. I started to become very addicted to skoal during my 6 month welding course because it was so convinient, I could use it anytime. When I finally quit chewing due to some small mouth sores I had withdrawal symptoms even though I smoked regularily. To this day my mouth still waters when I think about my preferred flavour, the same way it would when people think of a savoury food. I'm not familiar with sweedish snus but I'm sure the same could happen with someone else. You don't want to go looking for things to become addicted to, you might just find something you like too much.
OK, I see where you're coming from. (I sometimes forget some people actually DO use e-cigs as a nicotine cessation method! LOL!)
Yes, those trying to quit smoking AND quit nicotine should consider other alternatives. Those just trying to quit smoking and find "something missing" and can't seem to get off cigarettes could consider trying low-nitrosamine smokeless tobacco products like Swedish snus or dissolvables. Treating nicotine addiction and quitting smoking are two different issues that most likely will have two very different paths.
I personally have no problems being "addicted" to smokeless nicotine, because the health risks are so low. My mom is morbidly obese because she has an eating disorder and suffers from depression. Even with prescription medication she suffers. I'm pretty sure that'd be me if not for nicotine (addiction runs in the family - her dad was an alcoholic, too - and I know I have an addictive personality.) For me, quitting a low risk addiction like nicotine would be highly likely to lead to behaviors which would be much worse for me health-wise. So, I'm happy with just quitting smoking.
So people definitely have to do what they feel is best for them.
Yes, those trying to quit smoking AND quit nicotine should consider other alternatives. Those just trying to quit smoking and find "something missing" and can't seem to get off cigarettes could consider trying low-nitrosamine smokeless tobacco products like Swedish snus or dissolvables. Treating nicotine addiction and quitting smoking are two different issues that most likely will have two very different paths.
I personally have no problems being "addicted" to smokeless nicotine, because the health risks are so low. My mom is morbidly obese because she has an eating disorder and suffers from depression. Even with prescription medication she suffers. I'm pretty sure that'd be me if not for nicotine (addiction runs in the family - her dad was an alcoholic, too - and I know I have an addictive personality.) For me, quitting a low risk addiction like nicotine would be highly likely to lead to behaviors which would be much worse for me health-wise. So, I'm happy with just quitting smoking.
So people definitely have to do what they feel is best for them.
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That is awesome you beat lung cancer and have been able to quit smoking!
I just want to note that the risks of oral cancer in non-tobacco users is about 0% - 1/2%. Research shows that the risk of oral cancer with smokeless tobacco users is 1/2% -1%. Not much real risk there. Those photos are scare tactics which make people think it's very common for smokeless users to get oral cancers. That's great to keep non-smokers from starting, but it's very deceptive to smokers, who think they are better off or no worse off to just keep smoking. The problem is, smoking actually increases the risk of oral cancer to 1% - 2% AND causes lung diseases. So, as a smoker, you actually had twice the chance of getting oral cancer. It's sad how the anti-tobacco groups have twisted things so much that smokers are so mislead about what would really be better for them (not including quitting altogether, of course - I mean for commited nicotine/tobacco users.)
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That is awesome you beat lung cancer and have been able to quit smoking!
I just want to note that the risks of oral cancer in non-tobacco users is about 0% - 1/2%. Research shows that the risk of oral cancer with smokeless tobacco users is 1/2% -1%. Not much real risk there. Those photos are scare tactics which make people think it's very common for smokeless users to get oral cancers. That's great to keep non-smokers from starting, but it's very deceptive to smokers, who think they are better off or no worse off to just keep smoking. The problem is, smoking actually increases the risk of oral cancer to 1% - 2% AND causes lung diseases. So, as a smoker, you actually had twice the chance of getting oral cancer. It's sad how the anti-tobacco groups have twisted things so much that smokers are so mislead about what would really be better for them (not including quitting altogether, of course - I mean for commited nicotine/tobacco users.)
That percentage is far too low do you have anything to back this up judging buy the crater that's eatin out of your gum while using it I'd say 1/2 -1 % is very wrong do u like have a link to this info cause that's cool If it's true but I can't see it
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