Car manufacturers change their styling, use R&D to better their product, and change designs. That's not a very good analogy.
I refuse to buy clones or fakes. Anyone else?
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Car manufacturers change their styling, use R&D to better their product, and change designs. That's not a very good analogy.
I am with you. I spend 90% of my vaping budget on US vendors. That is not to say, I haven't bought a China made product from a US vendor. When I was doing my business, I sold MADE IN THE USA ONLY PET SUPPLIES. Not a great idea, as most people ARE thinking short term with their wallet. Having said that.... there are statistics that show, if EVERY American consumer replaced one item per month, with something US Made (at a $30 value) It would bring a fortune back to our economy. Not everyone will partake in this, though its good to know others out their ARE paying attention.
We set the bar many years ago as a country to now be "buyers" instead of "sellers". I don't see it changing anytime soon!
I apologize about the remark.
But I did want to reply, so I'll add my edit that I added too late.
We all have different views on this, and some can afford the expensive elite mods. And that's awesome. They will always be those high end collectibles that retain their value-- many of these mods designs are from over seas, and other countries --and if you can afford them then go for it!
But I can't, and I feel that these lower priced mods enable alot of people to be able to afford many more things to vape better and keep us off cigarettes.
Also, things are changing so fast and many of these e cig innovations are coming from over seas.
Anyway, just keep vaping!
But I did want to reply, so I'll add my edit that I added too late.
We all have different views on this, and some can afford the expensive elite mods. And that's awesome. They will always be those high end collectibles that retain their value-- many of these mods designs are from over seas, and other countries --and if you can afford them then go for it!
But I can't, and I feel that these lower priced mods enable alot of people to be able to afford many more things to vape better and keep us off cigarettes.
Also, things are changing so fast and many of these e cig innovations are coming from over seas.
Anyway, just keep vaping!
I used to sell a ramp for dogs to get out of a pool in an emergency. The Manufacturer had a STRICT pricing guide. I was glad for this as a business owner. It used to tick me off when seeing this thing being sold for $15 over cost. I couldn't compete with that. When the maker was informed the retailer was suspended until he complied. The world of retail cant be the wild west. If that were the case there would be no small business.
My exact thoughts !!
You make a good point, but you are predicating this on what your budget can afford you and you aren't considering what other people's budgets can afford them. Some US vendors have priced themselves out of some people's budgets. Sure, some of the thinking is short term. But some people don't have the luxury of long term thinking at their current income levels and financial realities. Their income wont realistically afford them that. You try to make something sound so very simple, but it is anything but. One size does not fit all.
I see lots of excuses and entitlement post. If the Politicians and big business sold us out how is it helping to support them are you not part of the same problem you are pointing your finger at?
You dont have to buy a clone copy or fake to get a well made mod. No one is entitled to anything if you cant afford a certain model then you probably dont need it, anyone who could afford to smoke can afford to buy a decent ecig set up, with out buying copys clones or fakes.
I personally do not buy clones copys or fakes I try to buy the things the Modder put some time and consideration in no matter what country they came from. I chose to not reward some thoughtless greedy lack of initiative having sweatshop lowlifes with my money.
If you do Im happy your happy I just dont agree with your thought process.
You dont have to buy a clone copy or fake to get a well made mod. No one is entitled to anything if you cant afford a certain model then you probably dont need it, anyone who could afford to smoke can afford to buy a decent ecig set up, with out buying copys clones or fakes.
I personally do not buy clones copys or fakes I try to buy the things the Modder put some time and consideration in no matter what country they came from. I chose to not reward some thoughtless greedy lack of initiative having sweatshop lowlifes with my money.
If you do Im happy your happy I just dont agree with your thought process.
My first mech was a clone to see if I would like it. My second was a Nzonic V1 original, and noticed the K100 hit harder. Just last week I received my Private V2 clone. This is well built, and has a few tenths drop with a .4 sub ohm dual. A day later I received my VHO Cronus original, and hits the hardest out of the other three. All in all, I like both originals and clones. I like how they perform differently, and have fun building that perfect setup for each.
Agreed. But for people that have a small budget, there ARE cheaper alternatives that aren't clones of higher priced parts. I wanted an RDA. Sure a $100 super duper rda with AFC would be awesome. There are clones of those from China that I could afford. But I bought a cheap, $9 single coil rda from a US vendor instead.
Not true at all. Out of 3-$400 of vape gear, the ONLY problem I have had with quality came via my genuine Kanger Pro-Tank.
Secondly we are not talking about a couple of bucks here. Would I have an Ithaka on a Chi-You if I had to buy originals?? Absolutely not.
C.) There is no piracy, infringement, or theft pertaining to this topic. There are no patents in place. Do you think the inventors had no clue what would happen when they chose not to patent their creation?
I just can't understand why vapers are criticized for cutting their spending dramatically......
I dont mind the e-cig clones as much as i do with other products. MANY of the e-cig products all come from the same factory and then branded by another company. Look at the location of the big factories. Almost all of them are in the same area or factory in Shenzen <sp> China.
I despise Chinese clones of my rifle scopes which i depend on when im on a $1000 hunt and miles from getting a replacement.
Now, if i say i want a REAL Kanger Pro Tank and coils, i want a REAL Kanger Pro Tank and coils. I would be angry if i received a clone. Ive seen a few places advertise they sell a Vision product and its not made or sold by Vision. I ran into this at a local B&M selling a mini pro tank look a like. Its actually made by Sinrow and sold by various brands such as JomoTech.
I have a X8 tank and i have no idea if its a real Kamry but after some research ALL X8s had the same NEW description. "Now it only comes with one set screw". This is even on the Kamry and the clones ive seen for sale online.
Bottom line some Chinese e-cig clones are the same product as the "REAL THING" but they may have tighter quality control depending on brand which sells them. Some are made with just slightly different specs including just color or packaging. Some use a better battery ect ect.
I despise Chinese clones of my rifle scopes which i depend on when im on a $1000 hunt and miles from getting a replacement.
Now, if i say i want a REAL Kanger Pro Tank and coils, i want a REAL Kanger Pro Tank and coils. I would be angry if i received a clone. Ive seen a few places advertise they sell a Vision product and its not made or sold by Vision. I ran into this at a local B&M selling a mini pro tank look a like. Its actually made by Sinrow and sold by various brands such as JomoTech.
I have a X8 tank and i have no idea if its a real Kamry but after some research ALL X8s had the same NEW description. "Now it only comes with one set screw". This is even on the Kamry and the clones ive seen for sale online.
Bottom line some Chinese e-cig clones are the same product as the "REAL THING" but they may have tighter quality control depending on brand which sells them. Some are made with just slightly different specs including just color or packaging. Some use a better battery ect ect.
Sure, but small business isnt doing me any favors by charging higher prices...they are trying to make a living for themselves...make money to spend on their families and their own stuff to buy for themselves. I do the same in my work...I make money and spend it on myself and my family...no one owes any business extra...owes them an existence...if they cant compete, they go out of business...its how it works...its how its always worked...
That is your choice. I don't understand it, but I do respect it. The same should be given in return. It's not like we are buying up illegal DVD's....
I am not criticizing anyone for doing whatever they want with the money they worked for. I just choose to spend my money on legit parts sold/resold from US vendors.
I am not suggesting anyone buy what they can't afford. Though, if searching the internet, one will find a pretty fair price on an item highlighted at a discount overseas. I was surprised myself. Not only mods, but vaping equipment. There are PLENTY of US vendors selling at reasonable prices. There are also decently priced American Made Mods to be had.
I like what i like and therefore buy what i want. Fake, clone or original - i dont care. But:-
I will not buy from China because i cannot stand the wait, i will buy from a middle man and get it next day.
Some of the clones need a bit of a tweak to optimise them, thats part of the hobby i have entered.
It still beats stinkies.....
I will not buy from China because i cannot stand the wait, i will buy from a middle man and get it next day.
Some of the clones need a bit of a tweak to optimise them, thats part of the hobby i have entered.
It still beats stinkies.....
The only entitlement thinking I've seen is people thinking small business is entitled to charge higher prices as well as consumers thinking they are entitled to spend their hard earned cash as they see fit...both are right...and it works out as it works out...
Someone deciding for someone else what someone needs or don't need is is purely one's own personal opinion and is given all the consideration it deserves....
We can agree to disagree
We are going to have to...lol...Works for me...
my first mod was a sigelei zmax v3 telescoping flattop. bought the whole kit for $70. tell me the American made mod similar to that one that I can buy now, never mind then? other than the overpriced provari and every other limited run, always out-of-stock, way to expensive high-end mod name the American made mod like my sigelei(which I enjoy, still) and I will buy it. otherwise , leave me alone to enjoy a nice vape.... I would buy only clones if that's what it took to keep me off cigs.....
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