I refuse to buy clones or fakes. Anyone else?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Tony_B

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 18, 2012
136
108
51
mASSachusetts
Actually, it was started as more of "I only buy American stuff and here's why" thread...I don't recall anyone saying anyone should buy clones...just that they do...and why...

Chevy vs Ford isn't really applicable...they are both American models....Hyundai vs Chevy or BMW vs Cadillac would be a better comparison....just sayin...

That pretty much hit the nail on the head. I am NOT knocking anyone who buys clones. It's your money. I just stated how I spend mine, and wanted to hear from people who eel the same way.
 

deboraht

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Aug 28, 2013
77
27
USA
Which brands are American made or "genuine"?

Being a noob I bought my first Vamo 2 at a local vape shop, cost me $120 with kanger protank they took out the original atomizers that came with the kit, batteries and a very cheap Asian charger. So the vamo works OK, it's starting to turn itself off, so went looking on the internet and found one at VapeBreak for $24. SAME thing..So did I buy an Asian VAMO from the US shop?

If anything the VAMO 2 from the Chinese supplier is better quality than the one I bought from the vape shop.

So If I want to buy "genuine" products, which brands are these?
 

fuadali9

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Jul 30, 2011
91
26
xxxxx
Not true at all. Out of 3-$400 of vape gear, the ONLY problem I have had with quality came via my genuine Kanger Pro-Tank.

Secondly we are not talking about a couple of bucks here. Would I have an Ithaka on a Chi-You if I had to buy originals?? Absolutely not.

C.) There is no piracy, infringement, or theft pertaining to this topic. There are no patents in place. Do you think the inventors had no clue what would happen when they chose not to patent their creation?

I just can't understand why vapers are criticized for cutting their spending dramatically......

-One bad kanger item out of 3-$400 dollars not bad knowing they will replace it with one better and this is a principal reason of the control of their products, How many products of a certain vendor had to be returned back to them for be in bad performance.

-Did you check before post this Shenzhen Kamry Technology Co., Ltd|E-Cigarette,Electronic Cigarette in the upper place of the page of kamry?, There are the patents of the brand products.
 

dw'struth

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jun 27, 2013
424
285
48
London, KY
Actually, it was started as more of "I only buy American stuff and here's why" thread...I don't recall anyone saying anyone should buy clones...just that they do...and why...

Chevy vs Ford isn't really applicable...they are both American models....Hyundai vs Chevy or BMW vs Cadillac would be a better comparison....just sayin...

HaHa......Chevy VS. Ford is VERY much applicable because it is all a matter of opinion.......a point that you later made yourself.
 

Tony_B

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 18, 2012
136
108
51
mASSachusetts
I also read the "THEFT" part of the OP, which simply is not true according to the law.

I guess that's what gets me; people think that their personal opinion should hold more weight than the laws.
In my opinion some of it IS theft. Copying a product is one thing. Using their logo as well and selling it is "THEFT" in my book. Against the law? Maybe not, but again, it's just my opinion.
 

Spike64

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Feb 18, 2013
637
536
Michigan
HaHa......Chevy VS. Ford is VERY much applicable because it is all a matter of opinion.......a point that you later made yourself.

What I meant was that the OP started the thread concerning buying American stuff vs foreign stuff...my comparison was based on that, not American cars vs American cars...now read it again...makes more sense, right?
 

dw'struth

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jun 27, 2013
424
285
48
London, KY
What I meant was that the OP started the thread concerning buying American stuff vs foreign stuff...my comparison was based on that, not American cars vs American cars...now read it again...makes more sense, right?

Actually less......so if "knock offs" were made in America it would be different?

It's very obvious that you are the one that still does not "get it". So, here.........

Chevy VS. Ford = opinionated argument

Clone VS. No Clone = opinionated argument

See, that wasn't hard.
 
Last edited:

SissySpike

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 1, 2012
6,926
12,310
San Diego CA
It's ALL opinion...the entire thread...lol

Thats what I meant with thank you for considering my opinion with your opinion;-) 90% of the threads are 100% opinion the problem with this topic is as Americans there is a real problem to our economy as was already pointed out its hard not to overlap the Issues. I think something like the AGA series of atomizers are awesome it gave people who could not afford a geny a chance to have a nice atomizer at a good price with out copying cloning or faking.

I just would like to see more of this going on. Just take brand X tweek it make it a little better mass produce it cheaper and call brand Z and its all is good.
But manufacturers mostly Chinese and copying down to names and logos I just cant get behind that.
 

Spike64

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Feb 18, 2013
637
536
Michigan
Thats what I meant with thank you for considering my opinion with your opinion;-) 90% of the threads are 100% opinion the problem with this topic is as Americans there is a real problem to our economy as was already pointed out its hard not to overlap the Issues. I think something like the AGA series of atomizers are awesome it gave people who could not afford a geny a chance to have a nice atomizer at a good price with out copying cloning or faking.

I just would like to see more of this going on. Just take brand X tweek it make it a little better mass produce it cheaper and call brand Z and its all is good.
But manufacturers mostly Chinese and copying down to names and logos I just cant get behind that.

We arent as far apart as we might have thought...lol...I agree with you....also, I dont like the brand logo on cloned stuff either....its one thing to copy a design...its another to blatantly use a company's logo on it....everyone knows it isnt authentic when they buy it so there's no good reason to brand it like that...
 

Zealous

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 20, 2012
1,198
1,678
Texas
...its much more of an entitled opinion to think that high priced manufacturers should be the only option for a consumer and if you cant afford that, you should go without...

I agree with this totally.

I can understand why anyone would think that someone who's taken the time & effort to create a great device should reap the rewards for creating such a great product.

HST I don't have anything that's a knock off that I know of. But when I do get something new I'm going to look for something that's attractive, performs well & is in my price range.

If the only good quality devices available are $400 items I will not be able to get one as that's a bit above what I'm willing to spend. At the same time, if all the cheap knock offs are such poor quality that they fall apart &/or compromise my vaping experience I'm also not going to buy those. But if there is a device that is in my price range & is of decent quality I'll get that item.

I don't really think that means I'm doing something unethical. I think it means I'm being a good consumer & trying to make responsible purchases.

P.S.
...But manufacturers mostly Chinese and copying down to names and logos I just cant get behind that.

I HATE this. It's one thing to make a clone. It's another thing to act like the clone is the real thing. That's being blatantly dishonest imo.
 
Last edited:

SissySpike

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 1, 2012
6,926
12,310
San Diego CA
We arent as far apart as we might have thought...lol...I agree with you....also, I dont like the brand logo on cloned stuff either....its one thing to copy a design...its another to blatantly use a company's logo on it....everyone knows it isnt authentic when they buy it so there's no good reason to brand it like that...
They are all the same thing in a different package so all are per say something of a copy. I just wish people would not use someone elses hard work and effort to their own gain. To me this is just ethically wrong.

I know it goes on everyday all over the world It still dose not make it right. I think as consumers we are short selling our selves. Buy buying clones copys and fakes If we demanded the people who mass produce stuff to give us products they came up with wed have better products all around.

Taking something and copying it but using cheaper materials and labor is not giving us a good product its us as a consumer selling out for keeping up with the Jones'es at a cheaper price.
 

SissySpike

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 1, 2012
6,926
12,310
San Diego CA
The earliest electronic cigarette can be traced to Herbert A. Gilbert,[20] who in 1963 patented a device described as "a smokeless non-tobacco cigarette" that involved "replacing burning tobacco and paper with heated, moist, flavored air." This device heated the nicotine solution and produced steam. In 1967, Gilbert was approached by several companies interested in manufacturing it, but it was never commercialized and disappeared from the public record after 1967.[21][22][23][24][25][26]

Hon Lik, a Chinese pharmacist, is widely credited[27][28][29] with the invention of the first generation electronic cigarette.[30] In 2000, he came up with the idea of using a piezoelectric ultrasound-emitting element to vaporise a pressurized jet of liquid containing nicotine diluted in a propylene glycol solution.[31] This design produces a smoke-like vapour that can be inhaled and provides a vehicle for nicotine delivery into the bloodstream via the lungs. He also proposed using propylene glycol to dilute nicotine and placing it in a disposable plastic cartridge which serves as a liquid reservoir and mouthpiece.
 

SissySpike

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 1, 2012
6,926
12,310
San Diego CA
Even if laws in clones' originating country is lax... How's the law on trading with such in ie. the US? You can't freely import and sell fake Gucci bags... or can you? Can you even legally import them for your own enjoyment?

Law has no place in a ethics debate ;-)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread