Welp just for testing purposes I built a 2.1 ohm coil and am trying it now. I will report back soon.
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Hey Everyone,
First great thread, just what I was looking for as I am part of this group that is getting major carbon build-up with my iAttys.
Thought I would share my findings over the past couple of weeks just to add to the data already here.
Ok my first impressions is that the juice def has something to do with the severity and how quickly the build up happens, it's not so much a PG / VG problem but I think the flavouring used in the juices. I am lucky to get one day or 12hrs to max of 2 days 24rs out of a wick before it's knacked. I will list the juices and vendors I have tried and the results below.
Note I am only using the original wick and wire that came with the iAtty, I have tried using 2.0, 2.2, 2.4 coils and even gave a 1.6ohm coil a go last night because I wanted less wraps and a greater distance between the wraps in the coils. The 1.6ohm did seem to fair a little better but still after 12hrs use it was getting close to buggered, this was tested on Alien Visions Strawberry 50/50 mix. I am using it on a Provari and have tried the highest volts I can go depending on the ohms which has made no difference.
(Vaperite 100% VG)
Organic Caramel
This one is really bad, by the 12hrs point all I taste is burnt crud and it needs to be changed, even leading up to the 12hrs you can taste it's going bad.
Organic Strawberry
Pretty close to Caramel but might be lucky and get a day and a half from it
Organic Butterscotch
For some reason this one seemed to fair really well, I think I got 2-days might have even been 3-days until I ran out of the juice. This one seemed to grow a mole of carbon on top of the coil rather than all the black crap under it, I have some more on the way and will be testing it again once I receive it.
(Virgin Vapour 100% VG)
Organic Caramel
This one does not go to bad, I think it might be something to do with how thin these juices are, I can get a day and a half to maybe even two days vaping from this one.
Organic Pina Colada
This is prob the best one I have found apart from Vaperites Butterscotch, lasts pretty much 2-days and then needs a change. It does not seem to get as an aggressive build-up as the other juices, but yeah in the end it fails as well.
(Alien Visions)
Strawberry Cooler 100% VG
This one is about a 12hr job as well
Strawberry 50% VG 50% PG
This one like the Vaperite Butterscotch seems to fair quite well, I could get nearly 2-days from this one.
(Blackwoods Brew)
Coconut 30% VG 70% PG (I think)
OMG, this was a disaster, I had two vaping sessions on this, like what I would with two or three real cigs and my god the wick was destroyed with carbon. When I opened it up because it tasted like crap I could not believe what I saw, possibly worse than some of the 24hr old ones. This is what lead me to believe that it's not really got to do with the PG / VG thing and more so whats in the bloody flavours that is not vaping.
I think I am going to give the Nextel wick a shot along with some different wire, wont hurt to try, seen some posts here about it not making a difference and some that it has, at the end of the day I am not looking to avoid carbon build-up as its un-avoidable, but what I am looking for is being able to get at least 3 or 4 days without having to change the wick and it tasting like crud, maybe the Nextel will do that for me maybe it wont, but have to give it a go I guess. Really hope GG has a read of this thread and can come up with some ideas for iAtty 2 that might help us all out. Will post up results I find of anything that might start working for me.
On another note, even though this might be on other places in the forum I thought I would post it up here. Before iAtty I had a short stint with the CE2 tanks, just like the problem I am getting with iAtty they would only last 2-days before they tasted like crud and had carbon all over the coils. Last night while reading around I found some info on cleaning and thought I would give it a go, first I soaked them in boiling water for a couple of min, then took them out and put them in a cup of white vinegar and left them over night, this morning I took them out and put them back into some boiling water to wash of the vinegar and then dried the wick as best I could and put on the provari and did a dry burn. To my amazement once the coils started to glow bright orange and I let cool all the carbon was gone, I only had to do this a couple of times and they all looked like brand new again.
I took one I didnt use the vinegar on and just soaked it in boiling water for a couple of min and tried the same thing, it started to glow orange and then just died, all the carbon was still on there but turned white. Not sure if this one just died before the carbon had a chance to evaporate or if the vinegar plays an important role.
I did try to do a somewhat dry burn on the iAtty without washing or anything and failed, looks like it made it worse, but might be an option with iAtty to soak in vinegar and dry burn the crud off the next day. Only thing is you lose so much more juice with iAtty having to do this every 12hrs to 24hrs, but there is a good chance this will work with iAtty as well.
Thanks again everyone for adding to this thread, really hope we can all find a way to get at least 3-days to a week from a wick/coil setup so we can vape in peace.
First great thread, just what I was looking for as I am part of this group that is getting major carbon build-up with my iAttys.
Thought I would share my findings over the past couple of weeks just to add to the data already here.
Ok my first impressions is that the juice def has something to do with the severity and how quickly the build up happens, it's not so much a PG / VG problem but I think the flavouring used in the juices. I am lucky to get one day or 12hrs to max of 2 days 24rs out of a wick before it's knacked. I will list the juices and vendors I have tried and the results below.
Note I am only using the original wick and wire that came with the iAtty, I have tried using 2.0, 2.2, 2.4 coils and even gave a 1.6ohm coil a go last night because I wanted less wraps and a greater distance between the wraps in the coils. The 1.6ohm did seem to fair a little better but still after 12hrs use it was getting close to buggered, this was tested on Alien Visions Strawberry 50/50 mix. I am using it on a Provari and have tried the highest volts I can go depending on the ohms which has made no difference.
(Vaperite 100% VG)
Organic Caramel
This one is really bad, by the 12hrs point all I taste is burnt crud and it needs to be changed, even leading up to the 12hrs you can taste it's going bad.
Organic Strawberry
Pretty close to Caramel but might be lucky and get a day and a half from it
Organic Butterscotch
For some reason this one seemed to fair really well, I think I got 2-days might have even been 3-days until I ran out of the juice. This one seemed to grow a mole of carbon on top of the coil rather than all the black crap under it, I have some more on the way and will be testing it again once I receive it.
(Virgin Vapour 100% VG)
Organic Caramel
This one does not go to bad, I think it might be something to do with how thin these juices are, I can get a day and a half to maybe even two days vaping from this one.
Organic Pina Colada
This is prob the best one I have found apart from Vaperites Butterscotch, lasts pretty much 2-days and then needs a change. It does not seem to get as an aggressive build-up as the other juices, but yeah in the end it fails as well.
(Alien Visions)
Strawberry Cooler 100% VG
This one is about a 12hr job as well
Strawberry 50% VG 50% PG
This one like the Vaperite Butterscotch seems to fair quite well, I could get nearly 2-days from this one.
(Blackwoods Brew)
Coconut 30% VG 70% PG (I think)
OMG, this was a disaster, I had two vaping sessions on this, like what I would with two or three real cigs and my god the wick was destroyed with carbon. When I opened it up because it tasted like crap I could not believe what I saw, possibly worse than some of the 24hr old ones. This is what lead me to believe that it's not really got to do with the PG / VG thing and more so whats in the bloody flavours that is not vaping.
I think I am going to give the Nextel wick a shot along with some different wire, wont hurt to try, seen some posts here about it not making a difference and some that it has, at the end of the day I am not looking to avoid carbon build-up as its un-avoidable, but what I am looking for is being able to get at least 3 or 4 days without having to change the wick and it tasting like crud, maybe the Nextel will do that for me maybe it wont, but have to give it a go I guess. Really hope GG has a read of this thread and can come up with some ideas for iAtty 2 that might help us all out. Will post up results I find of anything that might start working for me.
On another note, even though this might be on other places in the forum I thought I would post it up here. Before iAtty I had a short stint with the CE2 tanks, just like the problem I am getting with iAtty they would only last 2-days before they tasted like crud and had carbon all over the coils. Last night while reading around I found some info on cleaning and thought I would give it a go, first I soaked them in boiling water for a couple of min, then took them out and put them in a cup of white vinegar and left them over night, this morning I took them out and put them back into some boiling water to wash of the vinegar and then dried the wick as best I could and put on the provari and did a dry burn. To my amazement once the coils started to glow bright orange and I let cool all the carbon was gone, I only had to do this a couple of times and they all looked like brand new again.
I took one I didnt use the vinegar on and just soaked it in boiling water for a couple of min and tried the same thing, it started to glow orange and then just died, all the carbon was still on there but turned white. Not sure if this one just died before the carbon had a chance to evaporate or if the vinegar plays an important role.
I did try to do a somewhat dry burn on the iAtty without washing or anything and failed, looks like it made it worse, but might be an option with iAtty to soak in vinegar and dry burn the crud off the next day. Only thing is you lose so much more juice with iAtty having to do this every 12hrs to 24hrs, but there is a good chance this will work with iAtty as well.
Thanks again everyone for adding to this thread, really hope we can all find a way to get at least 3-days to a week from a wick/coil setup so we can vape in peace.
Dave, Thanks for posting that.
I definitely think the ingredients in our juice plays a major factor in the carbon build up. I've been using the same juice the whole time, and it has been very consistent. So removing the variable of using different juices, the nextel lasts substantially longer (in my experience at this point 8 days) where, the original wick I was getting the same result you were. So nextel is better for me.
I'm happy with what I get out of mine, I'm just hoping to help y'all get yours that way too. I think there is some fundamental factor we aren't considering in our coil building that will improve everyone's experience. We just have to find it.
I definitely think the ingredients in our juice plays a major factor in the carbon build up. I've been using the same juice the whole time, and it has been very consistent. So removing the variable of using different juices, the nextel lasts substantially longer (in my experience at this point 8 days) where, the original wick I was getting the same result you were. So nextel is better for me.
I'm happy with what I get out of mine, I'm just hoping to help y'all get yours that way too. I think there is some fundamental factor we aren't considering in our coil building that will improve everyone's experience. We just have to find it.
No worries Rick, it's good to hear you are getting around 8-days and god I would love that, even 4-days for me would be perfect.
I am going to order some Nextel this week, but had a question you guy's might be able to help me with. I am going to get some Nextel 440 XC4 Series: 1375°C, but I noticed something at the bottom of the page "NEXTEL sleeving can not be exported. Use XS (silica material) for export"
Any idea what they mean by that?
Because I am in Australia I will fall into the export thing, so not sure if I order if I will get the right stuff or not.
I am going to order some Nextel this week, but had a question you guy's might be able to help me with. I am going to get some Nextel 440 XC4 Series: 1375°C, but I noticed something at the bottom of the page "NEXTEL sleeving can not be exported. Use XS (silica material) for export"
Any idea what they mean by that?
Because I am in Australia I will fall into the export thing, so not sure if I order if I will get the right stuff or not.
It means they won't sell it to you -- I have heard that a couple of other Aussie GG fanboyz had a friend mail them some.
Ahh. ok thanks for letting me know mate.
Think I am going to try the same resistance wire Rick is using the 36ga Kanthal A1, anyone know where to get it from I just found their site but only data sheets.
Also where would be the best place to get some different non-resistance wire?
Think I am going to try the same resistance wire Rick is using the 36ga Kanthal A1, anyone know where to get it from I just found their site but only data sheets.
Also where would be the best place to get some different non-resistance wire?
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From whats been written in the forums export is a no go.
I have some of the XS and it has a much lower heat resistance than the XC, it melts, similar to plastic it gets soft, and then fails.
Im pretty sure the carbon build up is not only from our choice of juices, but also related to the ce2 cup and air tube design. Im using a small screen in the bottom of the cup under the coil, in an effort to create turbulence in the air flow, but I dont think its enough, it to plugs the draw.
The iatty destroys atomizers for flavor and vapor production, so I'm going to keep looking for a way to dissipate the direct air to coil design.
Ive tried the following:
Doubling the wick, changed the flavor, killed the TH.
Loose/tight coil, I like tight best.
Nextel, fantastic flavor and performance, but the dust scares me.
Metal mesh. 5 hour attempt, couldnt get it to work.
I have made a 4.5 ohm at 7.4 and it was by far the best vape I've had with the iatty, very sweet, slightly warm, and full flavor. Unfortunately I got the urge to experiment and haven't done it again yet to see if it has a better resistance to build up.
3.5 at 6 volts has become my go to coil, its good for 24 hours.
If you cut your wick short, it works just as good, and you'll loose less juice on the wick change/cleaning.
I have some of the XS and it has a much lower heat resistance than the XC, it melts, similar to plastic it gets soft, and then fails.
Im pretty sure the carbon build up is not only from our choice of juices, but also related to the ce2 cup and air tube design. Im using a small screen in the bottom of the cup under the coil, in an effort to create turbulence in the air flow, but I dont think its enough, it to plugs the draw.
The iatty destroys atomizers for flavor and vapor production, so I'm going to keep looking for a way to dissipate the direct air to coil design.
Ive tried the following:
Doubling the wick, changed the flavor, killed the TH.
Loose/tight coil, I like tight best.
Nextel, fantastic flavor and performance, but the dust scares me.
Metal mesh. 5 hour attempt, couldnt get it to work.
I have made a 4.5 ohm at 7.4 and it was by far the best vape I've had with the iatty, very sweet, slightly warm, and full flavor. Unfortunately I got the urge to experiment and haven't done it again yet to see if it has a better resistance to build up.
3.5 at 6 volts has become my go to coil, its good for 24 hours.
If you cut your wick short, it works just as good, and you'll loose less juice on the wick change/cleaning.
The XC sheds fiber particle's.
Take a piece of it, heat it as described here, then handle it over a smooth dark surface, the particles start to accumulate. To scary for me to use it.
Further more, if these particles are in your juice they'll get in your lungs.
Take a piece of it, heat it as described here, then handle it over a smooth dark surface, the particles start to accumulate. To scary for me to use it.
Further more, if these particles are in your juice they'll get in your lungs.
oh crap, yeah I don't want to take the risk of particles of the wick ending up in my lungs, god that really sucks as it sounded like that wick was at least going to be the answer to most of my problems.
Looks like iAtty is not going to work for me then, think I will wait for imeo to come up with something to help us extend the life of the wick or hope that iAtty 2 comes and has a slightly different design and we don't get buildup so quickly.
Looks like I am going back to CE2's, they don't last me long either but longer than iAtty, also I can clean them really easy and not loose much juice in the process. This really sucks though, iAtty is the perfect vape, I love it, but having to change the wick every 12hrs for me is a deal breaker
Will keep an eye on this thread to see if there are any other idea's I might be able to try, or other wicks, if I could get say around 4 full days vaping from a wick setup I would go back to iAtty in a heartbeat.
Looks like iAtty is not going to work for me then, think I will wait for imeo to come up with something to help us extend the life of the wick or hope that iAtty 2 comes and has a slightly different design and we don't get buildup so quickly.
Looks like I am going back to CE2's, they don't last me long either but longer than iAtty, also I can clean them really easy and not loose much juice in the process. This really sucks though, iAtty is the perfect vape, I love it, but having to change the wick every 12hrs for me is a deal breaker
Will keep an eye on this thread to see if there are any other idea's I might be able to try, or other wicks, if I could get say around 4 full days vaping from a wick setup I would go back to iAtty in a heartbeat.
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eyebrook, yeah well I have two of them mate and if I can't work something out I will prob sell one of them yeah.
I just did some more reading and it seems imeo and clouds of vapour have moved over to the CE2 wick, think I am going to give this a try with some Kanthal A-1 wire to see how it goes, if I get another fail I will end up selling one and keeping one just in case.
Should know within the next month and will PM you if I want to sell one.
I just did some more reading and it seems imeo and clouds of vapour have moved over to the CE2 wick, think I am going to give this a try with some Kanthal A-1 wire to see how it goes, if I get another fail I will end up selling one and keeping one just in case.
Should know within the next month and will PM you if I want to sell one.
dave the kanthal A-1 is great, I havent managed to pop it yet, as for wick , we are all looking for the best we can find, I have some from a friend in Croatia which seems pretty good but who knows, good luck
I still say mesh is the best I ever try. But It's pain in the ... to install it in iatty
Dave, new wick that my sellers have is the original E2 wick buddy. Put it on Iatty and vape
oh crap, yeah I don't want to take the risk of particles of the wick ending up in my lungs, god that really sucks as it sounded like that wick was at least going to be the answer to most of my problems.
Looks like iAtty is not going to work for me then, think I will wait for imeo to come up with something to help us extend the life of the wick or hope that iAtty 2 comes and has a slightly different design and we don't get buildup so quickly.
Looks like I am going back to CE2's, they don't last me long either but longer than iAtty, also I can clean them really easy and not loose much juice in the process. This really sucks though, iAtty is the perfect vape, I love it, but having to change the wick every 12hrs for me is a deal breaker
Will keep an eye on this thread to see if there are any other idea's I might be able to try, or other wicks, if I could get say around 4 full days vaping from a wick setup I would go back to iAtty in a heartbeat.
I still say mesh is the best I ever try. But It's pain in the ... to install it in iatty
I'm able to get it coiled and firing, but I can't get it bent, capped and firing. It shorts every time.
Yea I know. I did it twice, first time it lasted about 7 days and then it shorts, second time around 3-4 days.
It was the best vape I ever had. But in between those two times I destroyed most of my wires and all the mesh I had(had very little).
For mesh, ceramic gaps are too small and gaps of uper iatty plastic too. Try making very thin mesh and insulate it with fiber wick and stick it in those gaps hard! lol
That's what I did. Now I'm back to my UFS and attys until I get more wires and my mesh which I wait for 2 month now After trying mesh I just can't go back to fiber. I tried but I always think
how great my iatty setup with mesh was. I tried genesis tank about the same time when I had mesh in iatty and Iatty was making much bigger clouds and flavor was pretty much the same.
It was the best vape I ever had. But in between those two times I destroyed most of my wires and all the mesh I had(had very little).
For mesh, ceramic gaps are too small and gaps of uper iatty plastic too. Try making very thin mesh and insulate it with fiber wick and stick it in those gaps hard! lol
That's what I did. Now I'm back to my UFS and attys until I get more wires and my mesh which I wait for 2 month now
After trying mesh I just can't go back to fiber. I tried but I always thinkhow great my iatty setup with mesh was. I tried genesis tank about the same time when I had mesh in iatty and Iatty was making much bigger clouds and flavor was pretty much the same.
Zu, why dont you use a small piece of mesh inside ceramic and around the wick? You will solve all those issues
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