If you quit smoking for better health, your mod choices just went down from 1000's to about 5

[readeuler]

One of the questions that Dr F is studying, is whether the dry-burn taste occurs before or after the noxious chemicals are produced. I think I can taste anything that might be bad, but that's not proven yet. Until it is, the absence of a dry-burn taste is not proof of anything.

I just dealt with that earlier. I've got a rather high wattage build on a mech, and have been plagued by an off-taste with a fresh battery (10-20 hits, approximately). Rather than vaping through it like I have for a few days, I decided to re-wick and attempt to diagnose what's happening. The wick was in almost perfect condition; minimal discoloration even at the coil, a slight bit around the edges.

Thankfully the re-wick has done the job, I'll have to see how it holds up. But anyway, that leads me to believe that the off-taste comes before the serious nasties, or is perceptible at the slightest levels (like how some of us can detect Geosmin, associated with the smell of rainfall, in concentrations as little as 5 parts per trillion).

We shall indeed see, hopefully soon enough

 

[Augmented Dog]

Fact:
If we were to avoid everything that may possibly be harmful to our health in some way, we would all starve, dehydrate and suffocate.
Reasonable, informed precaution is enough for those of us who wish to live, rather than simply survive.

 

[AndriaD]

I just dealt with that earlier. I've got a rather high wattage build on a mech, and have been plagued by an off-taste with a fresh battery (10-20 hits, approximately). Rather than vaping through it like I have for a few days, I decided to re-wick and attempt to diagnose what's happening. The wick was in almost perfect condition; minimal discoloration even at the coil, a slight bit around the edges.

Thankfully the re-wick has done the job, I'll have to see how it holds up. But anyway, that leads me to believe that the off-taste comes before the serious nasties, or is perceptible at the slightest levels (like how some of us can detect Geosmin, associated with the smell of rainfall, in concentrations as little as 5 parts per trillion).

We shall indeed see, hopefully soon enough

There is in fact a *fairly* reliable olfactory instinct left in humans, despite how weakened it has become as our other sense have gained precedence -- if you open the fridge and the milk is spoiled, that fruity aroma is unmistakable -- it smells like yogurt actually. Ditto if there is spoiled meat anywhere in there -- you can pick up that scent no matter how well wrapped it is. It's a protective instinct, obviously.

I'd give it only "fairly" reliable, because there are some scents that smell delicious to humans, but are in fact quite poisonous -- oleander comes to mind. But human noses are fairly keen when it comes to burned scents, which may be why so many people find the scent of tobacco so repellant -- not the tobacco itself, that's a fairly neutral smell unless you're a user, in which case it's a tasty smell -- but the stink of burned tobacco. The scent of anything burned is sharp, bitter, and usually carries a characteristic odor -- burnt wood smells different from burnt paper, and burning wiring smells nothing like burning leaves -- which discrimination saved my life and my son's, one morning when I woke to find smoke coming out the roof of our "mobile home."

I love the scent of vanilla -- but vanilla incense is rank. The burning changes the scent in very unpleasant ways, and that's absolutely true of cotton wicks and ejuice.

Andria

 

[duc916]

The assertion from the thread title is that vaping without temp control is as bad or worse than smoking. That right there should summarily dismiss anything further said and the thread should be closed for being idiotic.

 

[fogging_katrider]

I mostly agree with that; I love gardening, and I'd really rather use natural organic means of controlling pests than poisons, especially on vegetables. But then again, some of the deadliest poisons are organic, and can be used for pest control, even safely on vegetables -- Sevin is a good example; totally water soluble, and it sure keeps the worms out of tomatoes, and aphids off roses.

However I had to invest in some more-radical stuff to kill the damned slugs -- I wear a facemask when I'm distributing it!

Andria

Now that you're getting into diy ejuice, like all of us diy'ers, you'll certainly have a few mixes that turn out awful that you'll not want to vape. Dont throw those away, save them as they can be dilluted in water and used in the garden as an excellent pest control spray. Wont hurt the veggies one bit, but nice and deadly on the pests. It's even effective against red mites, otherwise known as "the borg".
When all else fails, nicotine wacks the little critters quite well.

 

[Robert Dupre]

You should listen to Angel eyes he knows the truth in a few years the devices will be running off of Skynet and kill us all. Terminator joke incase you dont understand the skynet reference.

 

[Maiar]

15 pages.... has he posted any proof yet? Or is he still just flinging his turds around here?

 

[Maiar]

By the way. Rainbows are god's farts. Everyone of note agrees with me. Hold on while I post zero proof.

 

[Angel Eyes]

The assertion from the thread title is that vaping without temp control is as bad or worse than smoking. That right there should summarily dismiss anything further said and the thread should be closed for being idiotic.

ummmm........No

Never said any such thing. How about sticking with what I actually wrote, not your wild interpretation of what I wrote!

Generally vaping is safer than smoking, but when things go wrong, some of the nasty chemicals we could be inhaling are as bad or worse than cigarettes, this is why temperature control is a huge breakthrough in making vaping very safe now and in the future.

It amazes me how people are so resistant to change, but that is just how it goes. If I had told people 10 years ago that they would be giving up their computers for phones instead, I would have been laughed off every forum on the Internet!

 

[Angel Eyes]

So...you are suggesting the DNA40. That means we have to use Nickel Wire, right? So tell me, Is nickel wire safe?

Nickel may or may not be safe at lower temps, it probably is safe, but I would not feel good about vaping on nickel in a non-temp limited setup.

Other wire materials are being researched and tried out here on ECF (i.e. titanium, which our bodies can handle quite well and is even found in some foods)

 

[Robert Dupre]

If people on here are so resistant to change then every single one of us would still be smoking and not vaping. So obviously we all wanted to change and picked up something that is safer than a cigarette.

 

[Robert Dupre]

http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/nickel_and_nickel_compounds_f_V1.html

And here is a government web sit about the toxicity of nickle and health problems associated with it and there is a whole section of references at the bottom.

 

[Dampmaskin]

when things go wrong, some of the nasty chemicals we could be inhaling are as bad or worse than cigarettes

Any evidence for that assertion? Oh, nevermind.

If I had told people 10 years ago that they would be giving up their computers for phones instead, I would have been laughed off every forum on the Internet!

If I had shown people 10 years ago all the results lists of the national lottery for 2014, I would have been laughed off every forum of the Internet. Which is a perfectly reasonable reaction.

I don't know if you think you're clairvoyant or what, but here's a fortune telling for you: As long as you keep on spouting unfounded assertions, without even trying to back them up with anything better than comparing yourself to famous dead people, you will continue to be laughed at. For ever. And ever. How's that for a prophecy?

I'm sorry that I'm getting a little bit annoyed now, but you just don't seem to get it.

Will you be taking my bet, by the way? Or don't you even believe in your own words? How about putting your money where your mouth is for once? Or will you ignore this post, like you ignered my bet proposal? Will you just return later to spread more unfounded assertions, as if the previous ones hadn't even been challenged?

 

[Fictitious Character]

Most of us will agree that vaping is healthier than smoking was. I know I can breath a lot easier, feel a lot better and by many members medical reports there is a proven improvement of health. It is to early in the game to get long term data to study the actual effects of vaping. The dna 40 is probably on the right track but it is also unproven information and only time will tell with the nickle wire. I know that there is an added risk to those unaware trying to use for example Aspires new nickle heads on a non temp controlled device. Then there is the eliquid itself as food grade ingredients were never meant to be used in this way. So overall there is not enough data collected and certainly not enough time passed to study and understand the actual long term effects of vaping and the products used for vaping. For now I am content in knowing that I can walk up flights of stairs without feeling like I just ran a marathon and I will continue to keep my ear to the ground about the progression and understanding of new products.

Ok here you can have your soapbox back.

 

[rurwin]

Generally vaping is safer than smoking, but when things go wrong, some of the nasty chemicals we could be inhaling are as bad or worse than cigarettes, this is why temperature control is a huge breakthrough in making vaping very safe now and in the future.

Whether or not I can detect noxious chemicals in quantities that may have a health effect, I am rather confident that I can detect them before they reach the levels in a cigarette. Even if they were ten times the level in a cigarette, I only taste them occasionally even on a misbehaving build. Whereas with a cigarette they are there all the time for every puff. Therefore vaping is safer than smoking, even when it goes wrong.

Nickel may or may not be safe at lower temps, it probably is safe, but I would not feel good about vaping on nickel in a non-temp limited setup.

If you tried vaping on nickel in a non-temp limited setup your battery would explode. Nickel coils are very low resistance. Why put up a strawman that nobody is going to encounter?

http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/nickel_and_nickel_compounds_f_V1.html

Generally, metals, even mercury and such, are fairly safe in metallic form. Nickel at the temperatures reached in a temperature-controlled device, is only in metallic form, and even then it does not degrade (PBusardo's interview with Brandon) and so does not enter the vaper's body. None of that scary document applies.

 

[crxess]

ummmm........No

Never said any such thing. How about sticking with what I actually wrote, not your wild interpretation of what I wrote!

Generally vaping is safer than smoking, but when things go wrong, some of the nasty chemicals we could be inhaling are as bad or worse than cigarettes, this is why temperature control is a huge breakthrough in making vaping very safe now and in the future.

It amazes me how people are so resistant to change, but that is just how it goes. If I had told people 10 years ago that they would be giving up their computers for phones instead, I would have been laughed off every forum on the Internet!

How long is it going to take to make you realize it is not even the DNA that people are at odds with?
It is the Troll posting non-stop crap and taking a better than though attitude that has people snapping back.

That is all the crumbs you get from me today - go starve.

 

[AndriaD]

Now that you're getting into diy ejuice, like all of us diy'ers, you'll certainly have a few mixes that turn out awful that you'll not want to vape. Dont throw those away, save them as they can be dilluted in water and used in the garden as an excellent pest control spray. Wont hurt the veggies one bit, but nice and deadly on the pests. It's even effective against red mites, otherwise known as "the borg".
When all else fails, nicotine wacks the little critters quite well.

Yep! In fact I used to blow cigarette smoke at the aphids on my roses. It must not have been concentrated enough, because all it did was make them a bit "wobbly". Cigarette ashes are a good way to kill slugs -- I just don't have any cigarette ashes anymore, so I had to get the big-guns to fight them.

Andria

 

[duc916]

some of the nasty chemicals we could be inhaling are as bad or worse than cigarettes.

There you go again, another baseless assumption stated as fact.

I use tanks and know how to wick properly, so I never get dry hits. For me, temp control is a solution in search of a problem.

But hey, I suppose if telling everyone how much they need it makes you feel better about throwing money at it, it's a free country.

You're amused at how people are resistant to change, but I'm more amused at early adopters who latch on to a new tech with both hands like Jesus himself endorses it, only to sink into the ocean along with the boat. Resistance to change is natural, but what I see from early adopters takes a special kind of stupid.

How's your HD-DVD player? Get any new content for it yet?

 

[dr g]

Generally, metals, even mercury and such, are fairly safe in metallic form. Nickel at the temperatures reached in a temperature-controlled device, is only in metallic form, and even then it does not degrade (PBusardo's interview with Brandon) and so does not enter the vaper's body. None of that scary document applies.

This, is the education system slipping so far in this country that people don't have basic understanding of the difference between a metal and compounds of the metal?

 

[AndriaD]

This, is the education system slipping so far in this country that people don't have basic understanding of the difference between a metal and compounds of the metal?

I don't think "metallurgy" is offered in most high schools.

Andria