If you quit smoking for better health, your mod choices just went down from 1000's to about 5
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Shouldn't admit that, dravell. Some here might beat you up for your vape money, and give you a wedgie... 
If you followed Dr. F's work you know that some early results are already discussed. If you are interested it's on-line.
Kanthal is an iron chromium and aluminum alloy
Nichrome is nickel and chromium.
So tell me is Kanthal wire safe??? Is nichrome wire safe???? Any research?
I still have my hd-dvd player and a bunch of hd-dvds. It's not hooked up, but it's a nice collectable for me xD
I was wondering if anyone is vaping 100% VG with no flavours, only nicotine. I'd want to see the wick after a few days on a kanthal build. Also on a DNA40 with nickel build.
I'm sure that most dangerous stuff is in the flavor, not VG+nicotine.
If flavours prove to be bad for vapers, would you switch to pure VG + nicotine?
I'm curious about these things. I already got 100% VG base for that purpose. And because I don't like any flavours I tried so far. I'm better off with no flavour than with the ones I've tried. True, I only tried about 5-6 but still, not even close to something I'd vape every day.
We have landed on a comet, sequenced DNA and a plethora of other advancements in medicine and technology. I'm sure we could find something that would work safely for us vapers.
Right now the industry is not working to provide a safer device. They are just going with the trend. More watts is the best thing they can do at the moment. That and adding bells and whistles. Like bluetooth and soon gps and touch screen?
DNA wanted to switch the direction, but did it too soon, without serious research backing it up. They found a material that would make it possible to get a lead, on the cheap. Real temp sensors, with proper implementation would cost more money. With all this, we are the guinea pigs, and they do it on our cash.
The reviewers are on it too, I mean the money making train. They get hits on their videos, so they have to test all the crap that comes out, be it good or bad. They also have to review the "flavour" on different tanks/mods, even if we still don't know how "bad" the flavour is for our health. I was kind of shocked to hear one of the best known figures saying in a video "the black stuff gunk on the coils, whatever that is..." If they wouldn't recommend flavours, well...they would loose on the audience, that translates in less income. And they wouldn't get free stuff for reviews etc...
Burnt flavours can still be bad, even if the doctor says your lungs look better after you quit smoking. Tar accumulates in the lungs, other bad chemicals might not, they could go into your body, not build up on the surface of your lungs. They can be even worse for your health. If it doesn't show on xrays it doesn't mean it isn't there. Or that it isn't bad. Even if you feel fine, for years. There could be some buildup somewhere, or could be affecting you in a more discrete manner.
If you feel fine it's not to say that it's healthy. That's what I'm saying.
I'm sure that most dangerous stuff is in the flavor, not VG+nicotine.
If flavours prove to be bad for vapers, would you switch to pure VG + nicotine?
I'm curious about these things. I already got 100% VG base for that purpose. And because I don't like any flavours I tried so far. I'm better off with no flavour than with the ones I've tried. True, I only tried about 5-6 but still, not even close to something I'd vape every day.
We have landed on a comet, sequenced DNA and a plethora of other advancements in medicine and technology. I'm sure we could find something that would work safely for us vapers.
Right now the industry is not working to provide a safer device. They are just going with the trend. More watts is the best thing they can do at the moment. That and adding bells and whistles. Like bluetooth and soon gps and touch screen?
DNA wanted to switch the direction, but did it too soon, without serious research backing it up. They found a material that would make it possible to get a lead, on the cheap. Real temp sensors, with proper implementation would cost more money. With all this, we are the guinea pigs, and they do it on our cash.
The reviewers are on it too, I mean the money making train. They get hits on their videos, so they have to test all the crap that comes out, be it good or bad. They also have to review the "flavour" on different tanks/mods, even if we still don't know how "bad" the flavour is for our health. I was kind of shocked to hear one of the best known figures saying in a video "the black stuff gunk on the coils, whatever that is..." If they wouldn't recommend flavours, well...they would loose on the audience, that translates in less income. And they wouldn't get free stuff for reviews etc...
Burnt flavours can still be bad, even if the doctor says your lungs look better after you quit smoking. Tar accumulates in the lungs, other bad chemicals might not, they could go into your body, not build up on the surface of your lungs. They can be even worse for your health. If it doesn't show on xrays it doesn't mean it isn't there. Or that it isn't bad. Even if you feel fine, for years. There could be some buildup somewhere, or could be affecting you in a more discrete manner.
If you feel fine it's not to say that it's healthy. That's what I'm saying.
I would certainly never ever switch to 100% VG, as anymore than about 20-25% VG completely suffocates me.
I'd never vape flavorless because what's the point? I'd go back to smoking if my only choice was flavorless, and I'd certainly go back to smoking if my only choice was VG, because I like being able to breathe -- which I can do a lot better as a smoker, than vaping more than 20-25% VG.
I know a lot of you are too sensitive for much PG, but I really wish you'd all get off this high-VG proselytizing. Some of us cannot handle VG well at all. And some of us wouldn't even bother vaping at all, if there were no flavors.
Andria
I'd never vape flavorless because what's the point? I'd go back to smoking if my only choice was flavorless, and I'd certainly go back to smoking if my only choice was VG, because I like being able to breathe -- which I can do a lot better as a smoker, than vaping more than 20-25% VG.
I know a lot of you are too sensitive for much PG, but I really wish you'd all get off this high-VG proselytizing. Some of us cannot handle VG well at all. And some of us wouldn't even bother vaping at all, if there were no flavors.
Andria
You could quit altogether. Right?
It seems childish to state that if you can't have it as sweet as you want it, you'll just default to hurting yourself with smokes.
No, I'm not advocating for a true way. I'm just asking if there's a safer way.
Right now I've made my setup so I could make a painless transition to non-smoker. I will vape as a life-style when it's completely researched and the implications are well known.
All this mumbo-jumbo about flavours seems nonsense TO ME in a time where no-one knows the exact chemical formulas for the flavours they vape, let alone the studies those chemicals have on our bodies.
Also I think this kind of commenting is bad for people that want to quit smoking using vaping. I don't see it as something that's recommended for everyone, I think it's a lesser evil necessary on the path of quitting smoking for good.
It seems childish to state that if you can't have it as sweet as you want it, you'll just default to hurting yourself with smokes.
No, I'm not advocating for a true way. I'm just asking if there's a safer way.
Right now I've made my setup so I could make a painless transition to non-smoker. I will vape as a life-style when it's completely researched and the implications are well known.
All this mumbo-jumbo about flavours seems nonsense TO ME in a time where no-one knows the exact chemical formulas for the flavours they vape, let alone the studies those chemicals have on our bodies.
Also I think this kind of commenting is bad for people that want to quit smoking using vaping. I don't see it as something that's recommended for everyone, I think it's a lesser evil necessary on the path of quitting smoking for good.
fearmongering at its finest. Nobody's disputing e-cigs aren't "Good" for your health, but neither are McDonalds, exhaust fumes or sugar.
BTW, that temp regulation only works with nickel wire, so OP, if you stick a regular kanthal-based coil on there, it'll still burn if you dry hit. Who's also to say some idiot won't crank the temp limit to 500 and still get a lung full of the so-called cancerous carcinogens?
You get more carcinogens going through your lungs sitting by a fireplace and that hasn't killed anyone.
We all know why they're going so hard to cause fear and uncertainty toward e-cigs and vaping. Big tobacco is losing revenue, the government is losing revenue, and we can't have that now.
I honestly can't wait for China to bootleg temperature regulation so we can shut idiots like the OP up about "safe vaping" at $250+.
ps: I've been vaping since late 2008 (one of the early adopters). Dry hits were commonplace back then with those DSE901s and juice cartridges. I'm still alive and feeling fantastic. Not a single analog since then.
Cliffnotes version - e-cigarettes aren't good for you, but they're far better than smoking.
BTW, that temp regulation only works with nickel wire, so OP, if you stick a regular kanthal-based coil on there, it'll still burn if you dry hit. Who's also to say some idiot won't crank the temp limit to 500 and still get a lung full of the so-called cancerous carcinogens?
You get more carcinogens going through your lungs sitting by a fireplace and that hasn't killed anyone.
We all know why they're going so hard to cause fear and uncertainty toward e-cigs and vaping. Big tobacco is losing revenue, the government is losing revenue, and we can't have that now.
I honestly can't wait for China to bootleg temperature regulation so we can shut idiots like the OP up about "safe vaping" at $250+.
ps: I've been vaping since late 2008 (one of the early adopters). Dry hits were commonplace back then with those DSE901s and juice cartridges. I'm still alive and feeling fantastic. Not a single analog since then.
Cliffnotes version - e-cigarettes aren't good for you, but they're far better than smoking.
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Bob... you ARE advocating a "One True Way". The following statement:
That says "If you aren't willing to do it my way, you're wrong"
That says "If you aren't willing to do it my way, you're wrong"
No, I am not saying that. You are implying that I'm saying that.
I just don't think that the "give me candy or I hurt myself" attitude is ok to be presented on a forum where young people might begin to vape even thou they are not smokers. Also I don't think that people vaping are looking at the health issue with a critical eye.
Remember the good ol' days of smoking? Back in the day, doctors were recommending smokes, as something good for your health.
Just because you don't know how it's bad for you, and you don't feel it yet, doesn't mean it isn't. I'm not saying it is either, just that research isn't done at the moment, and the general attitude in the vaping community should be more of "don't vape if you don't smoke, and vape JUST TO QUIT SMOKING, try to quit vaping after you quit smoking as soon as possible".
On the other side of fear mongering are the people that have something to gain from this industry
As well as those that have invested a lot of energy and money into vaping. They need security, they need to feel/know that they made the right choice.
We are addicted to the nicotine drug, just like others are addicted to caffeine or ........ There's nothing worthy in that.
Most people seem to have forgotten the purpose of vaping. It is like a nicotine patch. And shouldn't be more until further research is done!
I am not saying we (the ones that are addicted to nicotine, not anyone else) shouldn't vape. I only say that we should vape as long as necessary to help us QUIT nicotine altogether.
See my point? There's no fear mongering here. Only caution.
Yes, vaping is safer than smoking, but shouldn't be necessary in the first place.
I just don't think that the "give me candy or I hurt myself" attitude is ok to be presented on a forum where young people might begin to vape even thou they are not smokers. Also I don't think that people vaping are looking at the health issue with a critical eye.
Remember the good ol' days of smoking? Back in the day, doctors were recommending smokes, as something good for your health.
Just because you don't know how it's bad for you, and you don't feel it yet, doesn't mean it isn't. I'm not saying it is either, just that research isn't done at the moment, and the general attitude in the vaping community should be more of "don't vape if you don't smoke, and vape JUST TO QUIT SMOKING, try to quit vaping after you quit smoking as soon as possible".
On the other side of fear mongering are the people that have something to gain from this industry
As well as those that have invested a lot of energy and money into vaping. They need security, they need to feel/know that they made the right choice.
We are addicted to the nicotine drug, just like others are addicted to caffeine or ........ There's nothing worthy in that.
Most people seem to have forgotten the purpose of vaping. It is like a nicotine patch. And shouldn't be more until further research is done!
I am not saying we (the ones that are addicted to nicotine, not anyone else) shouldn't vape. I only say that we should vape as long as necessary to help us QUIT nicotine altogether.
See my point? There's no fear mongering here. Only caution.
Yes, vaping is safer than smoking, but shouldn't be necessary in the first place.
No, it's very much not like a nicotine patch. It actually works, for one thing. Quitting entirely is out of the question, not open to debate. Whatever I can do to not go back to smoking, that's what I'll do, and it includes learning to make my own ejuice, just in case the FDA really does vaping in -- and even if I got nicotine from patches, which I may have to do if the FDA and BP get their way, I'd STILL vape, because otherwise I'd go back to smoking. Not one doubt about that in my mind.
Andria
Andria
Strings!!!
What an Inconvenient Truth (assuming many don't even know what AGW is) that it was formerly known as Anthropogenic Global Warming. And when the planet stopped cooperating the term was replaced with Climate Change because, let's be honest, that works 24/7 - 365. I see so many parallels between the fearmongering of the Climate Change Fanatics and the e-cigarette alarmists. What's really alarming, however, is the outright lack of knowledge of vaping. In relative terms, vaping is in its infancy, and anyone who claims to emphatically know all the risks is just lying. For example, if I see tests on the affect of voltage, wattage, or temperature on e-liquid, components or wicking material, I want to know how those tests were run. What they were run on. The temperature of the coil at the time they were run. I want to know that the test environment was set up to mimic how vapers use the products; e.g. mouth to lung hits, direct lung hits, etc. It occurs to me that with the "high end" mods...particularly with lung hitters, the air flow itself is doing something to effect the temperature of the coils during the hit. I mean after all, isn't air flow directly over the coil a primary goal? But you get the point. There are many, many variables to consider. I dare say if someone is simply holding the fire button at 60 watts on a .3ohm coil without any air moving there could quickly be some pretty nasty things coming off that dripper.
Anyway, let me address the OP. Please, step away from the forums and into your laboratory. Research the subject to exhaustion and post your findings. As for myself, I'm letting my body tell me which vice is less harmful...ciggies or vapies.
No, I am not saying that. You are implying that I'm saying that.
I just don't think that the "give me candy or I hurt myself" attitude is ok to be presented on a forum where young people might begin to vape even thou they are not smokers. Also I don't think that people vaping are looking at the health issue with a critical eye.
Remember the good ol' days of smoking? Back in the day, doctors were recommending smokes, as something good for your health.
Just because you don't know how it's bad for you, and you don't feel it yet, doesn't mean it isn't. I'm not saying it is either, just that research isn't done at the moment, and the general attitude in the vaping community should be more of "don't vape if you don't smoke, and vape JUST TO QUIT SMOKING, try to quit vaping after you quit smoking as soon as possible".
On the other side of fear mongering are the people that have something to gain from this industry
As well as those that have invested a lot of energy and money into vaping. They need security, they need to feel/know that they made the right choice.
We are addicted to the nicotine drug, just like others are addicted to caffeine or ........ There's nothing worthy in that.
Most people seem to have forgotten the purpose of vaping. It is like a nicotine patch. And shouldn't be more until further research is done!
I am not saying we (the ones that are addicted to nicotine, not anyone else) shouldn't vape. I only say that we should vape as long as necessary to help us QUIT nicotine altogether.
See my point? There's no fear mongering here. Only caution.
Yes, vaping is safer than smoking, but shouldn't be necessary in the first place.
Why do people start smoking cigarettes?
If people want to smoke cigarettes most are going to want to vape, for the same reason they smoke cigarettes.
Of course a certain percentage will/wants to quit it altogether, but I like vaping like I liked smoking (moreso now that its kind of a hobby)
Not sure im getting my point across very clearly, but people smoke for a reason. People vape for that same reason, so unless someone specifcally doesnt want nicotine and the "act" of using it, its not as easy as "quit vaping as soon as possible"
Bob: you are characterizing someone's knowledge of how they would react to something as "give me candy or I hurt myself". Your bloody words.
So folks who want to have a vape experience different from yours, and what you advocate, are childish
Andria stated, point blank, that vaping max VG causes her physical problems. Yet you hold up 100% VG as "better"
Congratulations: you've found a path that works for you! Others have different wants/needs
Seems nonsense TO YOU. And yet, you denigrate those who feel otherwise
Explain how it's bad. Someone stated their opinion and personal experience on something, nothing more. Other have differing opinions: that's fine, too
So folks who want to have a vape experience different from yours, and what you advocate, are childish
Andria stated, point blank, that vaping max VG causes her physical problems. Yet you hold up 100% VG as "better"
Congratulations: you've found a path that works for you! Others have different wants/needs
Seems nonsense TO YOU. And yet, you denigrate those who feel otherwise
Explain how it's bad. Someone stated their opinion and personal experience on something, nothing more. Other have differing opinions: that's fine, too
Call me confused but...
Isn't temperature control the same thing as adjusting the wattage on your mod and building a coil so the upper limit max is ideal for what you want.
Ok... So I understand the use of a specific wire as many hot plates require that (an electric stove for instance requires a specific coil in a specific burner) but to get a true non thermal regulated temperature control you would need an upper and lower voltage range (Delayed pulse width regulation maybe).
So, if I fully understand the DNA 40 set-up basically for me to get the performance out of the mod I can only use a singular type of wire (Nickle Chromium 200) and even then if it miss judges my set up incorrectly then it will not work as specified however I can build my coil set up with Kanthal as I wish and with using the proper oHm's to achieve the vape temperature I wish. I think I'll stick with non thermal regulated mods for now so I have the freedom to use what type of wire I want, lord knows I've got maybe 1K feet of various kinds laying around.
Just a thought on this, or rather personal view of it all.
Isn't temperature control the same thing as adjusting the wattage on your mod and building a coil so the upper limit max is ideal for what you want.
Ok... So I understand the use of a specific wire as many hot plates require that (an electric stove for instance requires a specific coil in a specific burner) but to get a true non thermal regulated temperature control you would need an upper and lower voltage range (Delayed pulse width regulation maybe).
So, if I fully understand the DNA 40 set-up basically for me to get the performance out of the mod I can only use a singular type of wire (Nickle Chromium 200) and even then if it miss judges my set up incorrectly then it will not work as specified however I can build my coil set up with Kanthal as I wish and with using the proper oHm's to achieve the vape temperature I wish. I think I'll stick with non thermal regulated mods for now so I have the freedom to use what type of wire I want, lord knows I've got maybe 1K feet of various kinds laying around.
Just a thought on this, or rather personal view of it all.
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