If you quit smoking for better health, your mod choices just went down from 1000's to about 5

[B2L]

I'm hoping like hell for a massive heart attack, personally. 3 seconds of pain, outta here! Bring on the nicotine!!!

Andria

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not kicking and screaming like the passengers in the car with him

 

[rurwin]

The "whipped cream" I meant is that cloud of vapor that sub-ohmers seem so attached to

That's the disconnect.

Inhaling whipped cream is a thing. The propellent used for that squirty cream stuff is nitrous oxide, AKA laughing gas. That's what twgbonehead thought you were referring to and why they said you were doing it wrong.

 

[Racehorse]

There is ZERO evidence about this. Dr. Farsalinos' research on temperature is not completed yet.

No, but Dr. F. tends to study that which he already has a suspicion about. That is why he was testing flavorings for inhalation risks....he suspected there were problems.......and there were.

Not saying yay or nay, just that since no studies have been done, as you say, neither you nor the OP can really make any claims either way.

 

[Janet]

If you have ever opened up you rba to find your cotton or rayon wick brown, black, or otherwise not looking new, you have overheated your wick and juice and created bad carcinogenic and otherwise hazardous chemicals, that YOU have been vaping and that temp control would have prevented.

Your mockery of this sounds a lot like the mockery in the 1950's that cigarettes were actually bad for you! - or that DDT was safe enough to eat, etc

I think you have a valid concern. So, do your wicks always look brand new? How do we know when the temp is too high to turn PG/VG, flavoring, nicotine, wire, cotton, rayon, silica, mesh, etc. into enough chemical containing vapor to cause harm? How do we know if breathing in vapor off the build-up of gunk on the coils and wick causes harm? Maybe if the vapor tastes awful or burnt, or is so hot that it burns your throat would be a good clues? For now I'll just take my chances and be careful to not vape anything yucky or burnt tasting, or inhale any vapor that burns. I don't think I need a vape thermometer for that, do I?

 

[mcclintock]

The DNA40 temperature-sensing is of the average temperature and can't prevent hot spots -- in fact using nickel increases hot spots, because its resistance rises with temperature, causing that section to produce more than its share of heat. In some modes of use it might be more appropriate to cut off if temp limit is reached, because it means something's wrong.

As long as hot spots are avoided and heating is controlled by boiling of the juice within the limits of the atomizer, conventional technology is quite safe. Its weaknesses are that it relies on the vaper to detect problems through flavor etc., and that one might need to compromise between quick heat and temperature rise towards the end of long draws (meaning temp. regulation would be even more useful on small clearos than in rebuildables).

A DNA40 is also not required to get some temperature regulation. A nickel coil driven by a constant voltage has a degree of self-regulation that a properly designed heating wire (i.e. resistance not changing with temperature) does not. It probably would need a lower voltage, higher current than usual and tolerant current limiting. The main thing that wouldn't work is constantly adapting VW, as this would work against the temp regulation (this is what got me started thinking about this subject a few months ago).

 

[caramel]

er[/I] ... on a mech, because it limits the battery current. With a regulated device, it gets more complicated, and the resistance of the coil is no longer among the most important factors.
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Electronics can and will eventually fail. At that moment one may see a scenario where there will be nothing but the coil resistance to limit the current.

 

[caramel]

And the question is how the heck were we vaping until now. The answer is very simple: any cotton wick has a very stinky built in mechanism to tell you that you went over 410F and thou shall dial in a lower power.

 

[wheelie]

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not kicking and screaming like the passengers in the car with him

Watch what you ask for! My friend and working partner died in his sleep last Saturday at 52 years young. He did not even know he was sick. We were out working the day before. Never said anything to his wife about not feeling well either.

 

[Dampmaskin]

Electronics can and will eventually fail. At that moment one may see a scenario where there will be nothing but the coil resistance to limit the current.

If the electronics fail and short out the battery, the coil is not necessarily even part of the short circuit.

In any case, if the electronics are prone to shorting the battery when failing, they are very poorly designed. Are we laboring under the assumption that Evolv are designing their boards without taking modes of failure or battery safety into consideration?

 

[AndriaD]

That's the disconnect.

Inhaling whipped cream is a thing. The propellent used for that squirty cream stuff is nitrous oxide, AKA laughing gas. That's what twgbonehead thought you were referring to and why they said you were doing it wrong.

Oh I know... my son and I used to fight over that "whippit" at the end of the can.

Andria

 

[Wow1420]

What actually totally negates the purchase of one of those things, for me, is the price -- $200? $300? Seriously??? I had a very hard time affording my first little eRoll at $39.95; my sigelei was also $39.95, and my iTaste vv3s were like $27 -- my Vamo was $17! When you're talking hundreds of dollars for something, you're in Provari territory, and I not only don't live there, I can't even afford to visit!

Andria

I've not spent over $45 ( my first MVP, ver. 1) on any mod. And I'm very happy with what I have. Even if I win the Powerball tonight, I wouldn't run out and start buying DNA40s or 100W anythings, just don't need or want the high power. My kayfuns work brilliantly and I like running them at 9 to 10 watts. At that range, I'm not burning anything. I've tried them higher, and it's not for me.

The sensationalist headline on this thread is just rubbish. Keep your wicks wet, vape moderate power, don't worry and BE HAPPY!!

 

[Angel Eyes]

Andria - you strike me as someone who really enjoys your vaping and gets into it - just like a hobby. Many hobbies are expensive, just ask any bass fisherman or skier or golfer. You could put the word out to your family and relatives that a Vaporshark or Vapor Flask is on your wish list for Christmas or a major birthday, I think it would work! - You deserve it

 

[folkphys]

Im struggling to recall the term for that type commercial fishing where they drag those super huge nets behind their boats.
Can someone please help?

 

[AndriaD]

Andria - you strike me as someone who really enjoys your vaping and gets into it - just like a hobby. Many hobbies are expensive, just ask any bass fisherman or skier or golfer. You could put the word out to your family and relatives that a Vaporshark or Vapor Flask is on your wish list for Christmas or a major birthday, I think it would work! - You deserve it

The first really expensive mod I get will probably be a Billet Box. Those are perfect! I love cartotanks! Having everything all inside the box, with just the driptip sticking out, would be excellent for out and about. I've already put a bug in my husband's ear about it, for my vaperversary in July.

Actually my "vaperversary" is at the end of Jan.. my "non-smoker-versary" is in July. But for $180, I'll need to wait till July, just to save up. Or I might go for a BB clone... still more expensive than any mod I've bought so far, at $80. That's really more in my own ballpark than adding $100 to it.

And I have no interest in using nickel wire; I read somewhere it can cause nausea, and anything that even MIGHT cause nausea, I'm staying at least a couple of states away from.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I've not spent over $45 ( my first MVP, ver. 1) on any mod. And I'm very happy with what I have. Even if I win the Powerball tonight, I wouldn't run out and start buying DNA40s or 100W anythings, just don't need or want the high power. My kayfuns work brilliantly and I like running them at 9 to 10 watts. At that range, I'm not burning anything. I've tried them higher, and it's not for me.

The sensationalist headline on this thread is just rubbish. Keep your wicks wet, vape moderate power, don't worry and BE HAPPY!!

I completely agree -- even a 20w mod would be WAYYYYYYYYY overkill for me! But I might get a Vamo v6 because of the adjustable hit-duration feature.

100w is for lightbulbs -- for that matter, so is 40w, if you want it dim. 40w would be good for stereo speakers! I certainly don't want to inhale anything using that much power.

Andria

 

[Strings]

Seems like someone IS trying to sell something. I've seen the same tactics used at some gun shops

"Put out the word to family and friends", after being told "not something I really want" is kinda silly

 

[NOVA jon]

Andria - you strike me as someone who really enjoys your vaping and gets into it - just like a hobby. Many hobbies are expensive, just ask any bass fisherman or skier or golfer. You could put the word out to your family and relatives that a Vaporshark or Vapor Flask is on your wish list for Christmas or a major birthday, I think it would work! - You deserve it

Yup, my other hobby is bass fishing. With a single quality bait running in the $25 range and rod and reel setups running in the $300-$500 range I have choices to make. Vape gear or fishing gear!!

Fishing is similar to vaping in that you have a hard time settling on one. When I fish a tournament, I probably have 10+ setups on the boat with tackle boxes full of assorted lures. With a mindset that you can't have only one of anything in case you loose one plus you have to have it in different colors and multiples of those as well!!

Good thing my interests are expensive right!!!!

 

[OlderNDirt]

I'm actually a lot more worried, with my family history, that my heart will keep ticking along, years after my brain stops functioning -- just another reason to BRING ON THE NICOTINE!

Andria

My wife would tell you that happened to me, oh I don't know, about 30 years ago.

 

[AndriaD]

It's true that some hobbies *are* expensive, but that's why I don't have those hobbies. One of my primary reasons for the switch to vaping was expense -- vaping is supposed to cost LESS than smoking, not more.

My primary hobby is pinching pennies till they squeal for mercy, then pinching 'em some more.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

My wife would tell you that happened to me, oh I don't know, about 30 years ago.

I suspect the same of my own husband.

Andria