I'm done. No more vaping for me....

[Withnail]

I feel the same way. I am thinking maybe I should try a Janty or something that doesn't break down so much. I currently use pen styles and refill the carts. Anybody have thoughts on what hardware lasts or what is the best bet for the money?

Pen-styles, Titans, whatever. All of them are pretty much useless.

As a British person, I sometimes buy American goods.

Specifically this:

What we need is American workers to build e-cigs.

 

[Corki2]

I feel the same way. I am thinking maybe I should try a Janty or something that doesn't break down so much. I currently use pen styles and refill the carts. Anybody have thoughts on what hardware lasts or what is the best bet for the money?

I use a pen also. I have been considering the 510 because so many people seem to think highly of it. I like the manual switch idea and the portable charger.

 

[denec]

I have been very, very close to going back to tobacco because it's been costing me a fortune..but since I made my own mod and I also seem to have found a way to give my atomizers a reasonable working life, I think I may be able to stick with it now.

I have been going back and forth because i have been getting frustrated as well...since what i smoke is really expensive especially in NYC - Nat sherman cigarettes, I try to go back and forth between analog and PV, I only smoke 2-3 Nat Sherman's a day which is fine becuae those last forever anyway


personally you think in this day and age of technogloy they would be able to come out with the perfect e-cig already

 

[pattyjo]

i hqave no plans to go back to analogs, just the smell makes me sick before i started vaping i had been using the gum for quite a while and i waa having cravings for a cigarette and lo and behold thats where SE got me walking in the mall one night i thought it wae the answer to my prayers. It has been in some ways becauze i dont feel as addicted to this as i did analogs and enough time has passed ,almost 2 years since i have touched an analog. .if i ever felt the need to smoke again i would go back to vaping.i havnt quit vaping yet but it is frustrating

 

[daniel2828]

Very good points. Since I am a smoker the e-cig helps me cut down. The lack of quality is apalling. The expense is phenomenal. But most of my hobbies are costly. If the e-cig were any other product the manufacturers would be hauled into court for shoddy workmanship. There is alot of evidence on this forum that defective technology is acceptable as the gold standard for willingness to buy.

I did lose a chunk of change with my initial purchase of a crappy e-cig with a faulty atomizer, TERRIBLE pre-filled cartridges that were not made for refilling, and lousy customer service to boot. But things have stabilized since discovering there were higher-quality, lower-cost options out there and I should see a savings of over $2000 per year.

But yes, there is the risk of vaping becoming a "hobby." Having numerous models of e-cigs, different flavored and strengths of liquid, etc. In addition to health reasons, my secondary reason to start vaping was to save money. I got off on a false start but I do believe it can be done if you find a quality product, a good supplier, and don't let things get out of hand with all the paraphernailia available.

 

[Badbeams3]

Good for you! Quiting altogether is the best thing. Scares me to hear how bad of luck you have had with them tho. I have the "PRO 901" on order. I`m just tired of nasty stained yellow teeth, bad breath, stinky clothes. No women want me And after 30+ years of smoking...I`m starting to feel a lack of energy too.

If you do end up needing a "drag" now and then perhaps the E-Cigs will do the trick

 

[Robert]

Even though I did use the 24mg. NO withdrawal at all. I wonder what's in real cigs that made them hard to quit, but this is no challenge. Food for thought....

Probly very small amounts of ......


The other day I left my PV in the car for 4 hours- thought I lost it. Turns out I just forgot to hit in for 4 hours- I never went that long without a cigarrette. I was very addicted to cigarettes- I don't think I am as addicted to nicotine.

 

[martha1014]

It seems to me to be as expensive as analogs. I have been vaping for 183 days and have spent 2656.12. I do have enough to last awhile.I smoked 3 packs a day so this pretty much averages out. I don't seem to be able to quit buying. The most important thing is I feel so much better, I smell better and my house smells better. No amount of money is worth you health. It is a pain to keep them working properly and I do believe they could be made better. But I keep on vaping----

 

[Porphy]

I have yet to see in any e-cig bad craftsmanship. Could this be a result of the trip from China? The worst part of the e-cig for me is the battery, but that is the nature of the beast and deals heavily with the size of battery required for it to maintain an analog look. As far as atomizers go I have been down-right brutal to mine in comparison to what other people offer up in terms of "abuse" to an atomizer and mine still work wonderfully. As far as carts go, well there is nothing inherently wrong with the design. It could be better but what we have now on the market performs its function.

The battery problems stem from the winky-dinky little batteries needed to maintain that analog look. Once I got past the aesthetic hang-ups of wanting it to look like a cig I found myself an outstanding battery mod and now go over 2 days between charges.

I have a decent list of friends, family members, and coworkers who are all now vapers and most issues crop up when they first switch over and once the "user errors" are dealt with they have nothing but good things to say about the product as a whole. I have not known any of them to receive a faulty atomizer or even to have one burn out on them.

Again, the only reason I can think of that causes these faults is the trip from China, because the products I get from there are rock solid. I've been leary to make that connection though because I have friends and family in the states who vape so if the issue were that prevelent it should have reared it's ugly head with one of them by now, but it hasn't.

At any rate, with time comes more advances and experimentation with these products and soon we'll see the next wave of this model or that mod and so on and so on. The technology is changing month to month now give it another year and we'll be vaping a whole new rig with all new problems.

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

Probly very small amounts of ......


The other day I left my PV in the car for 4 hours- thought I lost it. Turns out I just forgot to hit in for 4 hours- I never went that long without a cigarrette. I was very addicted to cigarettes- I don't think I am as addicted to nicotine.

not to get off topic, but nicotine is in fact more addictive than ....... the perpetuated stereotypical image of the junkie willing to do anything for another hit is just that; an image. the only real tangible difference is that one is legal and more socially accepted while the other isn't.

 

[Scottbee]

"At any rate, with time comes more advances and experimentation with these products and soon we'll see the next wave of this model or that mod and so on and so on. The technology is changing month to month now give it another year and we'll be vaping a whole new rig with all new problems."

I agree with you on that one. In the overall scheme of things, this is in its infancy. I thoroughly expect the performance and quality of these units to continue to improve, and assuming there is no ban, I'm betting that we'll be vaping on some pretty reliable units within the year.

I look forward to that.. and in the meantime, will endure.

 

[e-pipeman]

My Janty Stick V2 is proving to be very reliable - touch wood!
When you don't have to worry about your equipment it's much more enjoyable (sorry - that should be in the ...... thread )

 

[Kate51]

Honestly, I started with no nic. I just found that higher nic gave a better throat hit. I just loved the physical act of smoking. Honestly, I think that there are more chemicals at work in analogs that make quitting hell. It was for me anyway. I haven't vaped in a while, no withdrawal symptoms at all. I'm not sure why, but maybe nic by itself just isn't that strong. Not sure.

Not sure about your intentions, but at the least this is a profound statement, thanks for that!
Many of us have found it to be quite un-eventful to drop down nicotine.
This is pretty incredible, when you think about it. But to go from 0 nic, then up, then nothing with no withdrawal should be a beacon for us all to hope for!!
Best of luck to you.

 

[ladyraj]

The prevailing attitude of various groups regarding the studies of nicotine delivery that our equipment produces is too little to be anything other than a placebo effect. If this proves to be true...I love placebo as long as it's flavored tobacco, vanilla, or red bull! Yum...

 

[DC2]

Maybe it's just me, but I have found nothing at all that is unreliable about any of this.

My batteries are all reliable.
My atomizers are all reliable.
My cartidges are all reliable.

The batteries are what they are.
The automatic batteries can be a pain sometimes, but that's why they made manual ones.

The atomizers do not work if you flood them, so you blow them out.
The atomizers do not work if they have water in them, so dry them better.

The cartridges could very much use a better wicking material.

And a much better design is possible, as shown by the KR808D-1 models.
But then again, that's only possible because it is a cartomizer.


But everything I have is perfectly reliable and always does what it is made to do.

 

[Bandit]

Glad to hear you're able to walk away from it so effortlessly, good for you! Sorry you didn't enjoy it more, perhaps investing in a better PV might have changed your opinion.

 

[MrKai]

Maybe it's just me, but I have found nothing at all that is unreliable about any of this.

*SNIP* (Unplugging Sunshine Pump)

But everything I have is perfectly reliable and always does what it is made to do.

...and really, I believe that is a *honest* statement.

As others have posted in this thread...and all over the forum, these things are "reliable" in the same way bricks are "soft" in the overwhelming grand scheme of things.

If your computer (even running Windows, heheh), your car, your tv, your phone or myriad other things either fully made or mostly built with parts made in China had reported failure rates like these things do you'd be in a rage.

If a reasonable number of people consistently report the same ill effects, it is wholly *unreasonable* to take the position they "you're all doing it all wrong*...in fact it appears YOUR case is most likely a statistical anomaly

That said, pieces, parts and otherwise...we ain't suckin' on cigarettes and at the end of the day, it is a better than even trade

-K

 

[trog100]

e cigs were created by ruyan for light occasional use.. they were intended to go along side tobacco not replace it..

to be used where smoking wasnt socially acceptable like while out dining and such..

light occasional use.. a five year warranty all financed by liquid gold priced consumables.. liquid sold in little things called cartridges at over 22.000 dollars per imperial gallon..

now a simple question for you... where did you all get the idea e cigs were intended to replace tobacco and stand all day and every day use..

the hardware works perfectly okay when its used for the purpose its designed for.. which under no circumstances included the total replacement of real smoking..

i repeat my question... where did all you dudes get the mistaken idea that normal e cigs are fit or intended for the purpose of giving a heavy smoker his daily fix on a full time basis..

trog

ps.. i am reasonably sure my comment will go ignored.. which sadly make the average user of this place pretty dumb.. the simple truth makes it all easy to understand.. its a shame folks just do not wish to take it onboard..

treat them like the semi disposable items they are.. your frustrations will go away but your cost will go up.. he he

 

[DC2]

As others have posted in this thread...and all over the forum, these things are "reliable" in the same way bricks are "soft" in the overwhelming grand scheme of things.

So what exactly have you found to be unreliable?

 

[Applejackson]

^ If it goes ignored, it's because people don't care what Ruyan's original intent was, not because we're not aware or "dumb". I'm not complaining about reliability/cost because it's less $ than analog