I just started vaping and I love it but leave it to me to always be the last to join the party before it ends. I don't know what the feds are going to do. Label ecigs the same as tobacco so they can tax the hell out of it or ban it altogether? Either way, I probably will DIY and all before I'm even ready. Jeez, I just started vaping a week ago. One consolation is that by making my own ejuice will save me money.
I'm new to vaping and now the feds want to what?
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"Feds" is a pretty wide term.
The FDA will regulate nicotine vaping (e-cigs) as a tobacco product, not a drug. The FDA doesn't tax anything.
The Federal income tax on tobacco was passed by Congress in 1862 but an earlier federal tax on tobacco was established by Alexander Hamilton in 1794.
The "Feds" are not the only folks who tax tobacco. State and local taxes on tobacco also apply. In most cases the legal definitiion of tobacco products will need to be changed first in order to tax e-liquid.
The FDA will regulate nicotine vaping (e-cigs) as a tobacco product, not a drug. The FDA doesn't tax anything.
The Federal income tax on tobacco was passed by Congress in 1862 but an earlier federal tax on tobacco was established by Alexander Hamilton in 1794.
The "Feds" are not the only folks who tax tobacco. State and local taxes on tobacco also apply. In most cases the legal definitiion of tobacco products will need to be changed first in order to tax e-liquid.
Sure, you can do it. Buy some low concentration e-liquid (Slightly stronger than what you vape now) for practice in mixing and measuring the first couple of times. I wouldn't work with the stronger e-liquids like 100 mg until proficient with the lab techniques. Plenty of details in the DIY section.
I have enough nicotine base in the freezer to last me another 18 months, at least.
Your guess is as good as anyones for what the FDA will do. (sometimes I think that they have no idea what they will do)
However I do think that regulations can be a good thing when done properly. It's just a shame that the FDA from the start has alienated the e-cig community. Seems to me that a lot more could be gained by working together instead of fighting each other.
There are even threads on the net about how to make nicotine tea. So there is nothing that we can't make for ourself.
(wonders if the DEA will be busting folks for having "juice labs" in their bathrooms)
However I do think that regulations can be a good thing when done properly. It's just a shame that the FDA from the start has alienated the e-cig community. Seems to me that a lot more could be gained by working together instead of fighting each other.
There are even threads on the net about how to make nicotine tea. So there is nothing that we can't make for ourself.
(wonders if the DEA will be busting folks for having "juice labs" in their bathrooms)
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You and me both, made the switch a month ago and had planned on getting 3+ for my family members. Now I have to spend so much to stock up on accessories and juices. Probably at least a few thousand to store enough for at least a few years. What a drag (no pun intended). There's always a catch.
What could possibly need to be regulated? Exploding batteries, bad vendors, toxic materials? Since I'm new here, my main concern was to learn and pick the best for me to start with.
There is plenty of room for regulating e-liquid. All of the food you eat is subject to FDA regulation. FDA regs set the standards for sanitation during production and purity of food ingredients. Right now you have to trust that e-liquid producers have the right gear and procedures in use.
We all know that FDA regs can be ignored and businesses can take short cuts around them. But we also know what results when that happens.
FDA confirms Mass. firm's link to meningitis outbreak - CBS News
We all know that FDA regs can be ignored and businesses can take short cuts around them. But we also know what results when that happens.
FDA confirms Mass. firm's link to meningitis outbreak - CBS News
My kids started me on vaping but from what I read, their choices of ecig and liquids made me want to upgrade their stuff for Christmas. I spent a lot of money and time just for me thinking I would have plenty of time to save extra for my kids. If FDA want to tax then I'll be pissy about it but willing to pay. My kids are worth it. What if the FDA ban the ecigs. They haven't ban cigarettes which was proven to be bad. On what studies will they base their rulings on? Why are other countries banning the ecigs?
Who knows about the taxes, but it's probably safe to say that there will be a "sin tax" of some sort.
The fear is that the FDA will try to apply a 2009 law called "Chapter IX" which restricts any tobacco product not in existence prior to 15 Feb 07. Chapter IX also restricts flavorings in tobacco products to tobacco and/or menthol.
if you have the money ?? stock up on nic ,get a mec and a proven reliable VV mod ..and learn about rebuildables
i'd suggest VW but there is only one proven vw mod and it very expensive and even harder to obtain
everything else will readily available even if the FDA gets chapter IX passed
i'd suggest VW but there is only one proven vw mod and it very expensive and even harder to obtain
everything else will readily available even if the FDA gets chapter IX passed
Where did this (arbitrary) February date come from? Because it defies logic to restrict any product that is inherently safer based on the date it was introduced. Hey, let's ban new cars with airbags and make people continue using gas guzzling cars. New cars are safer but we don't want them on our markets.
The Feds want to take your ecig, then ask you to bend over.
The Feds want to take your ecig, then ask you to bend over.
Where did this (arbitrary) February date come from? Because it defies logic to restrict any product that is inherently safer based on the date it was introduced. Hey, let's ban new cars with airbags and make people continue using gas guzzling cars. New cars are safer but we don't want them on our markets.
The Feds want to take your ecig, then ask you to bend over.
It will take almost every single type of pv on the market now,,off the market
basiclly that is about the time when the chinese started bring them over here
This is where I get confused. And, perhaps no one really knows for sure, but, the devices themselves may be targeted or just the juices? And then just nicotine-containing juice or all juice (even 0mg)?
Of course one can make the device, I suppose. And I haven't done any research yet into whether or not you can make liquid nicotine at home (from pure tobacco like I can get at the smoke shop). It would seem that there's essentially nothing to ban from the devices, they are just battery powered heaters essentially. I can see the juice being the problem, and with so many unknowns in what actually inhaling flavorings, oils, etc. does to a person's lungs, I can see the benefit of regulating eliquid so that we know what we are inhaling is safe... but that would take years and years of research. In the meantime, I am thinking that basically the most important thing to stock up on is the liquid nicotine. The rest would be fairly "easy" to DIY. Perhaps not for everyone, but with enough tinkering and determination it could be done.
The devices aren't a tobacco product, nor can they be deemed to be a tobacco product. They contain no organic material, so they're safe, they might have to be relabeled, but that's not a huge problem, ever tried to buy a ....? (not that I have, but I know people who have)
The juice is the issue, how will it be acceptable for it to be packaged, at what strength? Maybe they will just say that ingredients must be listed and mixing facilities must meet a standard of cleanliness, no one knows. They can't get rid of 0 nic flavorings, Lorann's Oil's sells a lot of food flavoring for cooking, they are also a favorite source for vapors.
I won't mind buying a battery and clearomizer to inhale 0 nic vapor flavored by various herbs etc. of course I have a stash of 100mg nic on the way. And if April comes and they look like they will really try to restrict it, I'll order more. The regulations will have a comment period of 30-90 days, I forget which, so there will be time to panic then.
The juice is the issue, how will it be acceptable for it to be packaged, at what strength? Maybe they will just say that ingredients must be listed and mixing facilities must meet a standard of cleanliness, no one knows. They can't get rid of 0 nic flavorings, Lorann's Oil's sells a lot of food flavoring for cooking, they are also a favorite source for vapors.
I won't mind buying a battery and clearomizer to inhale 0 nic vapor flavored by various herbs etc. of course I have a stash of 100mg nic on the way. And if April comes and they look like they will really try to restrict it, I'll order more. The regulations will have a comment period of 30-90 days, I forget which, so there will be time to panic then.
Since I'm pretty sure it's the act of smoking (and NOT the nicotine) that I'm "addicted" to, I figure I can cut it down to 0 before too long and just puff for flavor. That way, I still get my oral fix (that doesn't sound right, lol) but the gubmint can .... out of my biz. I've quit smoking before, but it was always the ritual itself that drew me back in.
I absolutely agree. I have not tried vaping 0mg but I imagine that if that were my only choice, I would do it. For me, vapor production is the most important factor. I get great enjoyment out of exhaling good vapor. That nice throat hit would be missed, but I feel that the action and vapor production would be enough to keep me from going back to cigs.
Sorry, but I'm going to disagree here.
Lots of people start out with the low concentrates when getting into DIY and I recommend recommend against it in every case.
The reason I disagree is a simple matter of cost. 100mg/ml Nicotine goes further than 48mg/ml (or whatever). Although it may be slightly more dangerous to handle the higher concentrate, it's not like you're dealing with 100% pure Nicotine. It's still diluted to a generally safe mixture.
100mg/ml Nicotine is no more hazardous than many of the common household chemicals we all have in our cabinets (ie. Chlorine Bleach, Ammonia, Toilet Cleaner, CLR, etc.). Just use common sense when handling it. Again...we're not talking about 100% pure Nicotine here. Pure Nicotine would require a proper laboratory and safety equipment that most of us don't have in our homes.
My first DIY purchase was for 250ml of 60mg/ml and I quickly came to regret the decision. It went quickly and within a couple weeks I was re-buying.
Buy the stronger concentrate from the start and buy as much as you can. Even if it's left in a closet, it will last a LONG time...freezing it will make it last even longer. It may turn yellow, this is normal and won't hurt a thing.
Get a good calculator (such as the one from Welcome to Ahlusion) and wear latex or vinyl gloves when handling. It's also not a bad idea to wear safety goggles to avoid eye contact if it splashes. Keep away from children and pets, and always make sure your DIY supplies are clearly marked with labels of some kind so there's no confusion or accidents.
Be sure to stick to the recipe in the calculator! Check and re-check your measurements and you will have no problems
With a little common sense and safety measures, there's no more danger from 100mg/ml Nicotine than most of the other chemicals in your home. It's the cheapest way to go when DIY.
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