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A lot of vapers don't realize that just cutting your smoking down with vaping has a huge health impact. The ANTZ like to call that "dual use" and imply that vaping is ADDING to the smoking rather than reducing. They also like to pretend that cutting down isn't even that good (because you should just quit, even though only 3% of smokers will actually quit every year and just as many start up.)
But their own stats contradict the claim that "just cutting down" isn't worth it - as I pointed out in another thread, smoking increases the risk of lung cancer in men by 2,300%, but second-hand smoke (which would be "reduced smoke exposure") only increases the risk by 16%. (BTW - that increased risk is not the same as "chances." A 16% risk increase does not mean a 16% chance of getting cancer, it means that if your likelihood of getting lung cancer as a non-smoker was a 1, if you are exposed to massive amounts of second-hand smoke over your lifetime, the relative risk increases to a 1.16 RR, whereas smoking would be a 23.0 RR.)
Obviously, just cutting down smoke exposure even by 50% would make a HUGE difference in the health risks.
But their own stats contradict the claim that "just cutting down" isn't worth it - as I pointed out in another thread, smoking increases the risk of lung cancer in men by 2,300%, but second-hand smoke (which would be "reduced smoke exposure") only increases the risk by 16%. (BTW - that increased risk is not the same as "chances." A 16% risk increase does not mean a 16% chance of getting cancer, it means that if your likelihood of getting lung cancer as a non-smoker was a 1, if you are exposed to massive amounts of second-hand smoke over your lifetime, the relative risk increases to a 1.16 RR, whereas smoking would be a 23.0 RR.)
Obviously, just cutting down smoke exposure even by 50% would make a HUGE difference in the health risks.
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I had a sig banner that tracked all of this perfectly... was ingenious... except it cost me $2/month.. I found out everyone elses banners where free except hosted in china
<bows head>, I know it was only $2.00 but.....
I've spent way more than I've saved on cigarettes on my vaping hobby!! You need to get a life!!!
I glad that peeps give up the analog habit and have saved lots of cash, don't get me wrong.
Could everyone quit bragging about it in the Signatures ?
The reason? Simple I'm sure some Politian or Politian's Flunky is reads this site. Do you know what they see when they read $3,000 Saved!! LOST Revenue. The more peeps brag about how much money they are saving the Higher the taxes will be when the Taxes start. It's only a matter of time before the price a E Juice doubles.
Maybe a politician or two will notice we now have money in our pockets to donate to their campaign, stir the economy in their town, put food on our table & donate to emergency relief.
I so funny! I should do stand up comedy.
i can see where some of you aren't seeing much savings vaping as opposed to smoking.
cigs are a lot cheaper in some parts of the country than some other places.
i know i am saving buku bucks.
when i quit analogs 107 days ago i was smoking 2 packs a day.
after the latest tax hike this year the cost went up to and average $7.50 a pack.
so $7.50 x 2 packs a day = $15.00 x 107 days = $1605.00.
i've spent about $650.00 roughly on batts, carts,tanks,and juice.
so $1605.00 - $650.00 = $955.00.
my cost should be going way down now as i have plenty of batts and tanks and such,and only need
to maintain them.
my initial equipment costs were about $200.00.after that figure it costs roughly 70 cents to a dollar for
the equivalent of a pack of smokes.i know i'm vaping a lot more than when i smoked but,that is
slowing down too,so more savings there.
in new york city cigs a above $10.00 a pack.think what there saving if there're buying off
the internet.
they could gold plate my ego's and i'd still save money here in taxasota.
regards
mike
cigs are a lot cheaper in some parts of the country than some other places.
i know i am saving buku bucks.
when i quit analogs 107 days ago i was smoking 2 packs a day.
after the latest tax hike this year the cost went up to and average $7.50 a pack.
so $7.50 x 2 packs a day = $15.00 x 107 days = $1605.00.
i've spent about $650.00 roughly on batts, carts,tanks,and juice.
so $1605.00 - $650.00 = $955.00.
my cost should be going way down now as i have plenty of batts and tanks and such,and only need
to maintain them.
my initial equipment costs were about $200.00.after that figure it costs roughly 70 cents to a dollar for
the equivalent of a pack of smokes.i know i'm vaping a lot more than when i smoked but,that is
slowing down too,so more savings there.
in new york city cigs a above $10.00 a pack.think what there saving if there're buying off
the internet.
they could gold plate my ego's and i'd still save money here in taxasota.
regards
mike
That's great skoony... I wish I could be satisfied with a certain setup and that's that... I'd save a ton, smokes here $10+ a pack, and I smoked a pack a day.
Unfortunately I like gadgets and you'ha's and shiny things...
If I stopped buying now it would take me 2 years to break even with savings from not smoking, but who am I kidding... The second some yahoo posts a new atty or mod or whatever on the forum that has something new.. I'm in.
I'm just as addicted to buying the crap as I am to vaping it. The tax problem here is not that I spend more on gear than cigs so the government should be happy, it's that in my country anyways The government got a lot more cig taxes from me than they'll see from the 13% tax on the vaping gear (not even when I buy worldwide). The tax on cig's is around 60% of the retail price of the pack, so well over 100% taxes on these things. Outta $10/pack the cig companies probably see $3-$4/pack (not profit, but gross).
Unfortunately I like gadgets and you'ha's and shiny things...
If I stopped buying now it would take me 2 years to break even with savings from not smoking, but who am I kidding... The second some yahoo posts a new atty or mod or whatever on the forum that has something new.. I'm in.
I'm just as addicted to buying the crap as I am to vaping it. The tax problem here is not that I spend more on gear than cigs so the government should be happy, it's that in my country anyways The government got a lot more cig taxes from me than they'll see from the 13% tax on the vaping gear (not even when I buy worldwide). The tax on cig's is around 60% of the retail price of the pack, so well over 100% taxes on these things. Outta $10/pack the cig companies probably see $3-$4/pack (not profit, but gross).
@Sucker_dad forget the fact that the original context was china stealing American jobs so I answered in context, the other facts in my post where in reference to the Chinese helping to keep your economy afloat.. something they don't do in direct cash injections for us.
Your debt is something like 35% owned by foreign governments (50% of that by Japan and China)
(go nuts and be a numbers Nazi if you like... I'm straight typing rather than referencing, I'm sure I'm pretty close with these)
If you really want to know the difference between Canadians and Mericans here this is it, which is why It wouldn't make sense for me to say US (as in you and I, not the country) in the previous post (even though we like our Chinese crap just as much as the next guy... not that all Chinese stuff is crap, we just demand crap, so they make it for us... they're obviously very capable to make high end devices
)You owe 16+ Trillion (isn't it like 17 now)....
We owe 600-700 billion..
ok that means very little.. you have more bodies.
per capita
each of you owe somewhere in the range of 56,000
we owe around 18,000
But what about where the debt is held
35% of your debt is held by foreign countries
around 10% of ours is.
The majority of our debt in fact is for pension funds, and the vast majority of our debt 80-90% is held by Canadians.
So if greedy is the word you decide to use for yourself, I wouldn't argue, but you heard it from you first.
and fat... where would you get that idea?
U.S. Troops Too Fat to Fight? - Military Fitness - Military.com
Uh-Oh... looks like it might be starting to effect your largest export.... "Democracy"
I apologize to other Mericans who take offence, I really hate judging groups as a whole, it's usually individuals that suck. Unfortunately you guys keep electing those individuals into office.
I did the same thing! Turns out the kids were ok with my smoking because it meant they would inherit the vast Myst fortune sooner. Their banners on the MenendezBrothers forums counts the number of times they've push me down the stairs..
I smoked for 45 years and certainly have paid my fair share of cigarette taxes and income taxes. I feel proud to see how much Phillip Morris isn't getting from me.
I appreciate your point, but basically the newbs are uneducated in the finer points of who is trying to screw us.
This is not new, it's just that there are more and more newbs every day so it seems to be getting worse.
It's not though.
More newbs is a good thing, and all we need to do is keep educating them, just like we always have.
Oh, yeah, and encourage them to read the Legislative News subforum, join CASAA, and get involved in forming our vaping destiny.
Better we help form it than have them shove it down our throats.
LOL,,, Great!, this is why my wife looked disappointed when I quit.... She also tries to push me down the stairs.. wait a sec... hmmmm.
The numbers aren't for them, you, or anyone else. They're for me. I'm proud of myself and when I see them, I realize that I can continue to be proud of myself for quitting after 20 years. When I see other peoples', I feel pride for them.
Can I declare my vaping a religion and get out of taxes? By not smoking I'm also cutting down the amount of carbons released into the atmosphere so can I get a tax credit? If I only vape through a hole in a sheet... tehehehe...
WARNING, joke ahead. Really, if you are of voting age and live in Toronto you shouldn't be criticizing who others vote into office.
This is true.
I have money, and I can buy whatever I want.
But I use standard 510 atomizers on an Ego Twist after four years of vaping.
I rarely buy for want, mostly for need.
And I don't need to keep up with the Joneses.
The one thing I do want to point out is that I have money, in large part, BECAUSE I don't buy what I want.
I drive a Pontiac Vibe, when I could be driving a Jaguar.
It's kind of a catch-22 in that I could, and I might want to, but I don't.
But if I bought what I want, could I continue to be in that position to buy what I want over the long term?
Right now, I want to make sure my retirement is sound and solid.
Lord knows I don't trust the government to provide for me, nor do I really want them to.
I just hope I don't die before I get to enjoy that retirement.
That would suck.
WARNING, joke ahead. Really, if you are of voting age and live in Toronto you shouldn't be criticizing who others vote into office.
Well done sir... you win the internet. LOL..
I actually thought of this at one point after writing it... I'm GTA (Greater Toronto Area, or outside of TO), glad of that fact, I live in the burbs, just put TO so most don't have to google my whereabouts.
No less funny though, I tip my hat to you sir.
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My wife leaves things on the floor for me to trip over when I wander to the bathroom in the middle of the night.
Yeah, I know, she has a basic tendency to just put things down wherever she is when she is done with them.
I have been led to believe that it is in her nature to not finish what she started, like putting things AWAY when she is done with them.
But I know now, and have known for quite some time, that she is after that vast DC2 fortune.
But she isn't fooling me, and I shuffle my feet when wandering around the house in the dark nowadays.
Especially near the stairs.
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