In over my head (again) - Looking for information/suggestions on a new system

[Porkchops]

Hey guys,

I started using e-cigs about 4 months ago with the Volt KR808-d from SmokelessImage, which for what I needed at the time was perfect. I've since come to want more from my APV, and thought that maybe I would know enough by now to look at the choices and make an informed decision, but I was wrong haha!

Essentially, the main things I'm looking for are:

- Consistent vapor, flavor and TH. One thing I've found using the Volt is that the standard cartomizer is decent, but a pain to deal with refilling, muted flavor, etc etc... So I switched to the CE3s, and while they're great for the first 2 or 3 refills, they quickly deteriorate to the point where they're worse than the standard cartomizer. I would be completely fine with the CE3s and the KR808-d style APV if the CE3s didn't give me dry hits semi-frequently, and they were more consistent (lasted more than 2 or 3 refills before becoming more dry hits than not with next to no vapor production and next to no TH) ...
- Cost. I know my wife would rather see me quit altogether than see me spend a bunch of money on this stuff. So unfortunately, things like the ProVari are out
- Ease of use - I know that what I'm looking for isn't going to be as simple as filling and twisting on a cartomizer, but I'm hoping it's something that won't take me a long time to figure out. At the moment, the thought of making my own coils and such seems to be over my head (that's not to say it's not something I could learn to do over time, but at first it will disheartening). So I guess if things like the Volt are beginner level, I'd be looking for something Intermediate level or so that I can learn and figure out and then maybe one day progress to an expert level APV when I've got it figured out.

I was interested in the ProVari until I saw the price, and mentioned it to my wife and got a response of "quitting altogether is cheaper", so I was kind of thinking maybe a eGo style setup, although there are so many different versions, and I don't know what the different between them are really.

I'm hoping someone has some suggestions or something for me or at least kind of point me in the right direction, as it seems everywhere I've landed so far has either been too complicated for me to fully understand (or too vague) or else way more money than I'm able to spend...

Thanks in advance everyone, I would probably still be sitting here trying to figure out what kind of system to start with and smoking analogues still!

 

[Cookster]

The eGo Twist or Spinner and a mini Vivi Nova is pretty much all the rage for a middle range, inexpensive($20 for the Twist, $10 for the Vivi), fiddle-free vape. Most get 2 Twists, one 1000mah for at home and a 650mah for on the go.

I'm using this setup and really couldn't be happier.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

The variable voltage Spinner- 3.3- 4.8 volts. Smaller than the Twists. It has a knurled voltage dial and voltage numbers easier to see. Check individual units for size:
VISION Spinner eGo VV : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
And the Mini Vivi Nova
GotVapes Vision Mini ViVi Nova™ 2.5ml 2.4ohm [gv-MiniViViNova510-2.4ohm] - $9.45 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
The Vivi Nova rebuildables has heads (coil+ wick) that can be cheaply and easily replaced. When the head burns out simply unscrew the old head out and screw in new head- takes 10 secs. My heads are lasting about 4 weeks BUT I wash the heads every few days. I've found the Vivi Nova to give the best draw

 

[Doogmar]

Looking at your signature, it looks like you are saving $200 a month from not smoking cigs, and in little over a month you would pay for the Provari and whatever else you need. Cant persuade her with that?

Having looked through countless threads here, a lot of people suggest the Ego Twist as the upgrade to go to after the cig style e-cigs. Thats what I am suggesting to my friend when she wants to upgrade from hers. For my new setup I got a Vivi nova, and a carto tank. I'm still trying to figure out which I like better. I like my Vivi nova the best so far, except I have been getting some juice in my mouth (which hopefully some tips from here will solve that.) From my carto tank I have been getting some light flooding, but I'm thinking I should've punched either smaller holes, or just one hole (I did 2 holes.)

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Here's a written review on the Spinner
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5905-visions-ego-vv-spinner-gotvapes-usa.html

And video review

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

And a Vivi Nova tutorial

 

[John D in CT]

Porky (if I may be so familiar):

You are lucky to be starting out at such a time in vaping history as this. There is now what is widely considered to be [read: "I think it is"] pretty much a no-brainer for getting a very, very good vape going for modest bucks and a great big "bang" for them:

From a post from two days ago:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/340629-new-confused-but-loving.html

If I were just starting out, this is what I would have wanted to have, knowing what I know now:

Three Joyetech eGo-C Twists, or three Vision Spinners, or combination thereof.
Three Vivi Nova tanks; maybe 2- 3.5ml and 1-2.0 ml.
A box of five Boge 2.0 or 3.0 ohm single coil stainless steel XL-sized cartomizers
Two chargers.
Juice - At least 5 flavors, at least 150 ml total, 18mg, 80PG/20VG.
Lanyard.
Trim ring.

You're done.

I truly wish it had been this simple when I was just starting out.

*****

Joyetech eGo-C Twist: http://www.myvaporstore.com/Joye_eGo.../ego-c-tst.htm

More Twists: Batteries E Cigarette

Vision Spinners: VISION Spinner eGo VV : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

Vivi Nova: GotVapes VISION ViVi NOVA™ 3.5ml V2.5 REBUILDABLE TANK [gv-VIVINOVA-TANKV2.5] - $12.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

USB charger: http://www.myvaporstore.com/eGo_Rapi...p/ego-char.htm 6.75

Wall charger: Mini AC Wall to USB Converter 6.25

eGo trim piece: http://www.myvaporstore.com/eGo_Cone...p/ego-cdct.htm

Lanyard: Joye eGo Lanyard

Joye eGo carrying case: http://www.myvaporstore.com/eGo_Leat...p/ego-case.htm

Cartomizers: Crystal Clear Vaping

Cartomizers: Boge Mix'n'Match (5 Box) Boge single coils .92 each

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I'm not affiliated with any of these vendors, or profiting in any way from these recommendations (lord knows).

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Juice:

What Flavor Are you Vaping Right Now?

name your fav flavor?

The Throat Hit Chase...

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Three good threads, and one great video:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/338444-noob-needs-advice.html


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-newbie-would-like-help-someone-philly.html


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...minis-crazy-confused-about-where-go-here.html


THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer[/QUOTE]

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The VV eGo batteries are insanely easy to use. Turn the knob on the bottom one way for a warmer vape, the other way for a cooler vape.

The Vivi Nova tanks are insanely easy to use. Fill them up and vape for hours.

Get a lanyard, and you can wear it around your neck so you won't lose it, especially if you're old and stupid like me.

Slam, dunk, swish, nuthin' but net, game over, dump the Gatorade on the coach, go to Disneyworld, vape your face off*.

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* And bring your smartphone so you can learn all about the countless other options out there, if you're so inclined, that you can now explore at your leisure as you enjoy a perfectly good vape on Space Mountain.

 

[Baditude]

Understanding that the initial price tag on a Provari is at first daunting, I'd like to point out that the cost of the Provari alone is what one often spent on a month supply of analogs. Consider the Provari as an long term investment in your future health by staying off of tobacco products. Consider that the less expensive eGo's are ultimately considered a disposable battery with a relatively finite life expectancy (measured in months), where the Provari will last years and uses cheaper rechargeable batteries ($10 each) that generally last a year.

Essentially, the main things I'm looking for are:

Consistent vapor, flavor and TH. One thing I've found using the Volt is that the standard cartomizer is decent, but a pain to deal with refilling, muted flavor, etc etc...

The Provari mated with an inexpensive ($25) pyrex cartotank would give you the best opportunity for acheiving these qualities. The Provari's microprocessor with Acuset technology ensures that the voltage that you set will be consistant for the duration of the battery. Hense the popular Provari slogan, "What you set, you get, every time."

A properly setup cartomizer in a juice tank will provide a day or two of continuous, flavorful vapor. The large capacity of juice feeding a carto will cut down time and effort of filling a naked carto, and keeps the carto fresher to last longer than used by itself.

Once you have the APV and tank, your monthly supplies will be limited to juice and replacement cartomizers.

- Cost. I know my wife would rather see me quit altogether than see me spend a bunch of money on this stuff. So unfortunately, things like the ProVari are out .

"Just quitting" is usually easier said than done. I won't get into that discussion as that argument has enough to fill another thread. Having said that, I stand by my above statement that if you can afford a Provari, and you can if you spent that much on analogs a month, you can't go wrong with buying one.

Just go to any Provari thread here at ECF and read the comments of owners of one. If that doesn't convince you of its value, nothing will. I'll say again, if you spent that much on analogs a month, you can spend that much IN ONE MONTH to buy a Provari.

Ease of use - I know that what I'm looking for isn't going to be as simple as filling and twisting on a cartomizer, but I'm hoping it's something that won't take me a long time to figure out. I was interested in the ProVari until I saw the price, and mentioned it to my wife and got a response of "quitting altogether is cheaper".

There IS a learning curve to using a carto tank, but if you watch a couple videos on how to fill a cartomizer and how to fill a tank, you should do fine. Punching a carto is easy enough to learn, however you can buy pre-punched cartos, also.

If you don't wish to go the cartotank route, there's always the Vivi Nova type devices. Sort of a large clearomizer in tank form, they are even easier to use via their removable top for filling with juice. Personally, I feel that they mute the flavor of my juices, but your experience may be better as many other vapors love them.

Based on your stated needs, I've made the recommendations of what I feel would work best for you, other than price of a Provari, but I gave you a counterpoint to that argument. How serious are you in wanting to quit the analogs? How bad does your wife want you to stay off of them. The price of a Provari should not stand in the way of accomplishing this.

 

[Cookster]

Chrismahanukwanzakah is coming....get the Twist now and mebbe wifey can get you the Provari for the holiday (that's what I'm doing)

 

[John D in CT]

Porkchop -

Baditude's comments and advice are VERY much on-the-money; in more ways than one, come to think of it. Money? How much did you spend last year on ciggies? I'll wait while you add it up.

$3,000? A little more? A little less? OK, now multiply that by the number of years. We talkin' $20K? A little more? A little less?

$200 for a ProVari V2 - arguably the finest piece of vaping equipment ever made (and in the USA) starts to get put into perspective next to the $20,000 +/-.

That said ... you don't need one. Not now, maybe not ever. I have four of a poor substitute for it, but still a very advanced PV, the Smoktech VMax. It sits, while I have a Joyetech eGo-C Twist w/ Vivi Nova 3.5ml version 2.5 tank/atty slung around my neck, that is giving me a perfectly fine vape.

The fancier PV's give you longer battery life, digital readout, better voltage regulation, and, especially in the case of the ProVari, well-earned, and totally legit bragging rights to a "WOW, that is one nice PV!" device.

But the eGo-class VV's can now give you almost the same exact vape at a much more spouse-friendly price, and are more transportable, stealthy, and pocket/lanyard friendly, and less gawk-inducing. They are IMO a GREAT place to start, or to linger at for QUITE a while.

Once the SO is on board, and gets past the (arguably unrealistic) "You should just quit everything" deal, and sees how much money you're saving, then you'll have carte blanche to dabble in the "finer things" to be had in the vaposphere; ProVaris, VV Reo bottom-feeders, Darwins, GG Odysseus and Penelope tanks, the Bulli A2-TM atomizer, ZMax's, I-Atty's, Z-Atty's, Phoenix clearomizers, EMDCC's, Kangers, Gigantomizers, Humungomizers, Brobdingnagomizers, or whatever else you feel like exploring if you feel the need or desire to.

Right now, I'm having, as I say, a perfectly fine vape on my Twist/Vivi Nova, and feel very little of those needs and desires. YMMV, but please just at least get a VV eGo setup for now, since as Grimm Green points out so well, I think it will be a core part of your vaping arsenal no matter what other stuff you end up with in the future. Very few people IMO vape on just one combination of equipment all of the time.


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You did watch this, didn't you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-Ol8qWPic&feature=g-all-c Grimm Green Twist Game changer

 

[Krookie]

I recently started vaping too. I bought the Kr808 model to start off and then switched to the Joye eGo-C Upgrade 1000mAh which is sooo much better!

(for the record I'm new to the lingo as well, so please someone please correct me if I referred to anything the wrong way)

 

[John D in CT]

Chrismahanukwanzakah is coming....get the Twist now and mebbe wifey can get you the Provari for the holiday (that's what I'm doing)

You left out "Festivus".

I recently started vaping too. I bought the Kr808 model to start off and then switched to the Joye eGo-C Upgrade 1000mAh which is sooo much better!

(for the record I'm new to the lingo as well, so please someone please correct me if I referred to anything the wrong way)

Welcome to the forum, and howdy from another recipient of the worst weather in the country!

I just want to make sure about the terminology, since you asked.

As anyone with a pulse might be aware of, I'm very big on variable voltage, and just want to draw an important (IMO) distinction between a Joyetech eGo 1000mah battery that might or might not say "eGo-C" on it, depending on whether or not it happened to come in a kit with the Joyetech eGo-C three-piece atomizer ("C" = "changeable"), and a Joyetech eGo-C Twist 1000mah battery, that is variable voltage (between 3.2 and 4.8 volts), and AFAIK hasn't yet been widely sold as part of a kit that actually contains the Joyetech eGo-C three piece atomizer.

Whether or not they could have made their nomenclature any more confusing is a question worth pondering.

If yours is constant voltage, I strongly encourage your to pick up a Twist so you can experience the "wonders of variable voltage" for a very reasonable price.

Cheers, and I won't ask "how's the weather where you are?", because I know - it sucks! LOL

 

[Krookie]

Haha yes, it truly does. And thank you for the welcome!!! I first posted that I received my eGo starter kit from Cherry Vape, but then deleted the link because I don't know other members general feelings about throwing companies names around if they aren't on a respective forum.

Anyway, the eGo I have is the one where you can turn it off, do the 8 "click-light flashy-thing" and then turn it back on and the hit will be much more powerful. So, I'm assuming that's the one with the variable voltage..hopefully heh. Cherry Vape is located in CT (about 15 mins away from me) so I met with one of the owners who told me what I was getting was a 1000mAh battery with the kit. (Just specifying that because it isn't displayed on their website form what I can see)

**It says eGo-T Upgrade to be exact..facepalm..*

 

[Cookster]

You left out "Festivus".



Welcome to the forum, and howdy from another recipient of the worst weather in the country!

I just want to make sure about the terminology, since you asked.

As anyone with a pulse might be aware of, I'm very big on variable voltage, and just want to draw an important (IMO) distinction between a Joyetech eGo 1000mah battery that might or might not say "eGo-C" on it, depending on whether or not it happened to come in a kit with the Joyetech eGo-C three-piece atomizer ("C" = "changeable"), and a Joyetech eGo-C Twist 1000mah battery, that is variable voltage (between 3.2 and 4.8 volts), and AFAIK hasn't yet been widely sold as part of a kit that actually contains the Joyetech eGo-C three piece atomizer.

Whether or not they could have made their nomenclature any more confusing is a question worth pondering.

If yours is constant voltage, I strongly encourage your to pick up a Twist so you can experience the "wonders of variable voltage" for a very reasonable price.

Cheers, and I won't ask "how's the weather where you are?", because I know - it sucks! LOL

Damn, I always forget Festivus

I lived in Madison, Ct from 95-99. Got there and went through the worst winter in 150 years! I try to think of those years as some frost induced hallucination...

John, good job on using "nomenclature" in your post...you sho is a smartie

What you have is the eGo-C upgrade. It has regulated and unregulated, I think. The Twist adjusts voltage with a knob at the bottom from 3.2-4.8 volts Get the Twist if you can, I have 5 (Blue is the nicest IMO)

 

[tnt56]

If you want to go small and a lot less money I use one of these everyday. Yes they are funny and funky. but they work real good so far. About 2 weeks into it.
ElectronicStix.Com : Innokin iTaste Starter Kits

 

[Baditude]

Porkchop -

Baditude's comments and advice are VERY much on-the-money; in more ways than one, come to think of it. Money? How much did you spend last year on ciggies? I'll wait while you add it up.

$3,000? A little more? A little less? OK, now multiply that by the number of years. We talkin' $20K? A little more? A little less?

$200 for a ProVari V2 - arguably the finest piece of vaping equipment ever made (and in the USA) starts to get put into perspective next to the $20,000 +/-.

That said ... you don't need one. Not now, maybe not ever. I have four of a poor substitute for it, but still a very advanced PV, the Smoktech VMax. It sits, while I have a Joyetech eGo-C Twist w/ Vivi Nova 3.5ml version 2.5 tank/atty slung around my neck, that is giving me a perfectly fine vape.

The fancier PV's give you longer battery life, digital readout, better voltage regulation, and, especially in the case of the ProVari, well-earned, and totally legit bragging rights to a "WOW, that is one nice PV!" device.

But the eGo-class VV's can now give you almost the same exact vape at a much more spouse-friendly price, and are more transportable, stealthy, and pocket/lanyard friendly, and less gawk-inducing. They are IMO a GREAT place to start, or to linger at for QUITE a while.

Once the SO is on board, and gets past the (arguably unrealistic) "You should just quit everything" deal, and sees how much money you're saving, then you'll have carte blanche to dabble in the "finer things" to be had in the vaposphere; ProVaris, VV Reo bottom-feeders, Darwins, GG Odysseus and Penelope tanks, the Bulli A2-TM atomizer, ZMax's, I-Atty's, Z-Atty's, Phoenix clearomizers, EMDCC's, Kangers, Gigantomizers, Humungomizers, Brobdingnagomizers, or whatever else you feel like exploring if you feel the need or desire to.

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You did watch this, didn't you?

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

I feel the need to provide a video link, too.

 

[Porkchops]

Thanks so much for the awesome recommendations and information! I greatly appreciate it! I'm thinking I'll give the Vision Spinner a try, the only thing left that I'm slightly unsure of is the tank/carto system, but I'm thinking I'll give the Vivi Nova a try. I could also use the 3 peice setup with this as well right (like battery, atomizer, and cartridge seperately)? I'm curious to know how those kind of setups work (are they as good or better than a tank system, just with less liquid capacity or is there a greater difference between the 2 that I'm just not thinking of?

Any recommendations on the best places to buy these as well? If not it's not really a huge deal to me, I just figured if someone knew of a place that was cheaper/better/faster than others then it's worth a try haha

 

[John D in CT]

Thanks so much for the awesome recommendations and information! I greatly appreciate it! I'm thinking I'll give the Vision Spinner a try, the only thing left that I'm slightly unsure of is the tank/carto system, but I'm thinking I'll give the Vivi Nova a try. I could also use the 3 peice setup with this as well right (like battery, atomizer, and cartridge seperately)? I'm curious to know how those kind of setups work (are they as good or better than a tank system, just with less liquid capacity or is there a greater difference between the 2 that I'm just not thinking of?

Any recommendations on the best places to buy these as well? If not it's not really a huge deal to me, I just figured if someone knew of a place that was cheaper/better/faster than others then it's worth a try haha

Porker: (I love your username, and taking familiar liberties with it)

Please forget ALL about separate cartridges and atomizers. That is ancient history; you might as well trade in your car on a nice used chariot. HORRIBLE arrangement; 'nuff said.

There is a dizzying array of "attachments" out there, for sure. They kinda break down this way:

Stand-alone atomizer:

Either specially designed for "dripping" right onto it, and using a "drip tip"/tube-and-mouthpiece affair to vape the product of heated coil and vaporized e-liquid, nearly universally-regarded as the purest form of vaping that will yield the best flavor, optimum vapor production, no off-taste from "alien" materials like polyfill or wicks; or ....

The unsatisfactory affair described above, where the atomizer section is intended to be used with a cartridge, wherein the physical process by which the contents of the cartridge are supposed to find their way into the coil of the atomizer remains to me rather a mystery; or ....

The atomizer section of something like a Joyetech eGo-T one-piece atomizer assembly or the Joyetech eGo-C ("C" for "changeable") three-piece atomizer section composed of a base, cone, and the actual atomizer "head" (available in two resistances, 1.8 or 2.3 ohm), both of which are fed by a smallish "tank", available, like the atomizer section, in either an "A" or a "B" size, "B" being the larger of the two, and the "B" sized atomizer section being straight-sided as opposed to tapered/conical to accommodate the larger tank; or ....

something like the Bulli atomizer (assembly) that takes the aforementioned Joyetech "tanks" ("tanks" in quotes as a type of dramatic foreshadowing about the inherent confusion about the term "tank", since it can refer to several different things);

and let's see ... stand-alone atomizers .... that's all I can think of right now.

Cartomizers:

As the name implies, a combination atomizer and cartridge that now comes in MANY different shapes and sizes; the most common is the roughly 3/8"/9mm diameter x 40, 45, or 50mm long "plain old" cartomizer that come in either single or dual coil configurations (please use single coils unless you have a compelling reason to do otherwise); then there are the EMDCC - (Ego Mega Dual Coil Cartomizer), Gigantomizers, Humungomizers, and my personal favorite that exists only in my imagination, the Brobdingnagomizer.

The "plain old" cartomizer can be used either by itself, or inside a "tank" that is totally unlike a Joyetech tank. This type of tank has end caps with o-rings through which the cartomizer is placed. To allow juice into it, the cartomizer is either pre-punched, or custom-punched or slotted (with a Dremel-type tool fitted with an abrasive cut-off wheel). The Smoktech DCT tank is one of the most common tanks used with cartomizers, the most common size being the 3.5ml that takes the 50mm (XL-sized) stainless steel cartomizer), and there are also the MAP, J-tank, Phiniac (beautiful, made of Pyrex/borosilicate glass), M1A1, Submarine, and a WHOLE bunch of others. Cartos in tanks are arguably a little trickier to get the hang of than something like the Vivi Nova, or the MANY other types of attachments that I'd detail at length, but won't right now. My fingers are tired. Maybe later.

*****

DCT tank: http://www.myvaporstore.com/Pro_DCTank_Tube_p/510dcttp.htm

Cartomizers: http://www.crystalclearvaping.com/3...ohm-STAINLESS-STEEL-15-CARTOMISERS_p_108.html

Cartomizers: http://www.surevapes.com/Boge-Mix-n-Match-5-Boxes_p_114.html Boge single coils .92 each

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Bjf67PArw pbusardo slotting cartos

http://www.gotvapes.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=740 GotVapes - Vivi Nova tank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqZbrRDTjsw Vivi Nova tank - Filling, changing heads 1:38

bulli atomizer review steve from liverpool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkDIud1d7K0

 

[Amyalex]

The variable voltage Spinner- 3.3- 4.8 volts. Smaller than the Twists. It has a knurled voltage dial and voltage numbers easier to see. Check individual units for size:
VISION Spinner eGo VV : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
And the Mini Vivi Nova
GotVapes Vision Mini ViVi Nova™ 2.5ml 2.4ohm [gv-MiniViViNova510-2.4ohm] - $9.45 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
The Vivi Nova rebuildables has heads (coil+ wick) that can be cheaply and easily replaced. When the head burns out simply unscrew the old head out and screw in new head- takes 10 secs. My heads are lasting about 4 weeks BUT I wash the heads every few days. I've found the Vivi Nova to give the best draw

May is ask about the vivi nova? Does is get real hot? I've tried the Kanger T2 on my 1100 mah ego battery and that darn tip gets too hot on my lips! So I'm tring to figure out what to order next, but don't want super hot vape or tip! Thinking about ordering spinner battery - not sure if vv will help....or getting different carto/tank/etc is answer. Thank you!

 

[John D in CT]

May is ask about the vivi nova? Does is get real hot? I've tried the Kanger T2 on my 1100 mah ego battery and that darn tip gets too hot on my lips! So I'm tring to figure out what to order next, but don't want super hot vape or tip! Thinking about ordering spinner battery - not sure if vv will help....or getting different carto/tank/etc is answer. Thank you!

Welcome to the forum!

"Does is get real hot?" No, not at all. Get a couple right away, either the 3.5ml "Regular size", the 2.0ml "Mini", or both. Is it "the last attachment you will ever need or want?" No. Is it a slam-dunk no-brainer to have in your collection of hardware? IMO, absolutely. Just like VV eGo-class batteries, at this point in vaping history.

"not sure if vv will help ..." OMG yes. It's nice to have a dimmer switch on a lighting fixture; VV = same thing for your vape.

(I'd give you the long answer, but then people complain. LOL)