Indiana Call to Action - Stop the Monopoly

[Lessifer]

Both a Retailer or a Friend that is just trying to do you a Favor.

Well, if the retailer is sending something to a person in a state that doesn't prohibit sales, they are doing nothing wrong. If that person then decides to ship it to someone in a state that does prohibit sales/distribution, then they are probably doing something illegal. I doubt the vendor would have any knowledge or responsibility of what happens to the product after it is received by the person they sent it to.

 

[zoiDman]

Well, if the retailer is sending something to a person in a state that doesn't prohibit sales, they are doing nothing wrong. If that person then decides to ship it to someone in a state that does prohibit sales/distribution, then they are probably doing something illegal. I doubt the vendor would have any knowledge or responsibility of what happens to the product after it is received by the person they sent it to.

That's the way I see it. With Only One Difference.

If I live in Indiana and buy from a Retailer, then when the package arrives if it is Accompanied by some Jack Booted ATC agents saying that I had Illegally Purchased e-liquids, I would Tell them that I was Unaware that the Retailer did not hold a Valid Indiana Cronies License. So leave me out of all this BS. And Get Off my Porch.

That would be a Tad Harder to do if I had my Order sent to a Friend. And then had my Friend send it to me.

 

[tmcase]

Both a Retailer or a Friend that is just trying to do you a Favor.

Thanks. I "Liked" your post for replying, not for your reply.

 

[tmcase]

Well, if the retailer is sending something to a person in a state that doesn't prohibit sales, they are doing nothing wrong. If that person then decides to ship it to someone in a state that does prohibit sales/distribution, then they are probably doing something illegal. I doubt the vendor would have any knowledge or responsibility of what happens to the product after it is received by the person they sent it to.

I agree and how can IN government expect all out of state vendors to know IN law?

 

[tmcase]

That's the way I see it. With Only One Difference.

If I live in Indiana and buy from a Retailer, then when the package arrives if it is Accompanied by some Jack Booted ATC agents saying that I had Illegally Purchased e-liquids, I would Tell them that I was Unaware that the Retailer did not hold a Valid Indiana Cronies License. So leave me out of all this BS. And Get Off my Porch.

That would be a Tad Harder to do if I had my Order sent to a Friend. And then had my Friend send it to me.

I would do the same but...there are the ing auditors that could find the transaction some time down the road. This whole thing is giving me a pain in the donkey.

 

[zoiDman]

Thanks. I "Liked" your post for replying, not for your reply.

I understand.

This whole thing is just Crazy. And I don't know how some of those Indiana Legislators can Sleep at Night.

I mean Christ. Everyone told us we should Quit Smoking. So we Did. And now look what they are doing to make it Harder and Harder for Others to do so.

Boggles the Mind.

 

[tmcase]

That would be a Tad Harder to do if I had my Order sent to a Friend. And then had my Friend send it to me.

But how would they know my friend sent it to me?

 

[Lessifer]

I understand.

This whole thing is just Crazy. And I don't know how some of those Indiana Legislators can Sleep at Night.

I mean Christ. Everyone told us we should Quit Smoking. So we Did. And now look what they are doing to make it Harder and Harder for Others to do so.

Boggles the Mind.

We weren't actually supposed to listen. We were just supposed to hear it, and feel bad enough to not grumble about the excise taxes.

 

[zoiDman]

But how would they know my friend sent it to me?

Directly. They Wouldn't.

But ya know when you Mail something and they ask you if there is Anything Flammable, Hazardous or Corrosive in the package? Well, they can and do X-Ray packages if they think there might be something in there that is.

Is Every Package going to get Looked at. No. Is your Package going to get looked at? I dunno. Hope Not. But if it did for Any Reason, that could open up a Big Can of Worms.

 

[zoiDman]

We weren't actually supposed to listen. We were just supposed to hear it, and feel bad enough to not grumble about the excise taxes.

Yeah... I guess we weren't.

 

[pennysmalls]

This is insane there is no way we have to worry about a friend or relative from another state ordering for us then forwarding that mail to us once they receive it. We're talking 50 states and oversees! Indiana is not going to be auditing every online shop and B&M in the world to make sure someone somewhere isn't ordering something that might get sent to Indiana. Needle/Haystack.

 

[Lessifer]

This is insane there is no way we have to worry about a friend or relative from another state ordering for us then forwarding that mail to us once they receive it. We're talking 50 states and oversees! Indiana is not going to be auditing every online shop and B&M in the world to make sure someone somewhere isn't ordering something that might get sent to Indiana. Needle/Haystack.

States that restrict online cigarette sales are doing a fairly good job of it. They don't have to audit every retailer(though the number of retailers will be vastly reduced soon enough I expect), they just have to make a few very public and very costly examples.

 

[pennysmalls]

States that restrict online cigarette sales are doing a fairly good job of it. They don't have to audit every retailer(though the number of retailers will be vastly reduced soon enough I expect), they just have to make a few very public and very costly examples.

Yes, but we aren't talking taxes, we're talking possession. Taxes is a whole 'nuther ballgame.

Edited to add: the effort required just wouldn't be worth it.

 

[zoiDman]

This is insane there is no way we have to worry about a friend or relative from another state ordering for us then forwarding that mail to us once they receive it. We're talking 50 states and oversees! Indiana is not going to be auditing every online shop and B&M in the world to make sure someone somewhere isn't ordering something that might get sent to Indiana. Needle/Haystack.

It just gets down to is a Person Willing to take the Risk, and are they Willing to put Someone else at Risk, by shipping e-Liquids into Indiana?

I think Rossum put it Best about having Options.

For Me, I wouldn't put myself at Risk. And I sure as heck Wouldn't want to put someone else at Risk. I would just Plan a Road and gas up the War Wagon for an Out-of-State Nicotine Run

 

[Lessifer]

Yes, but we aren't talking taxes, we're talking possession. Taxes is a whole 'nuther ballgame.

Round two.

If I were a vendor, I wouldn't risk legal action against me. I'm not a vendor though, so maybe some will.

 

[pennysmalls]

It just gets down to is a Person Willing to take the Risk, and are they Willing to put Someone else at Risk, by shipping e-Liquids into Indiana?

I think Rossum put it Best about having Options.

For Me, I wouldn't put myself at Risk. And I sure as heck Wouldn't want to put someone else at Risk. I would just Plan a Road and gas up the War Wagon for an Out-of-State Nicotine Run

I totally would. Because it's wrong and if I get fined so be it. I'm talking in terms of individuals not vendors. I have someone out of state to do this for me, she's a vaper though so totally gets the risk and is ...... off enough to not care about the risk.

 

[pennysmalls]

Round two.

If I were a vendor, I wouldn't risk legal action against me. I'm not a vendor though, so maybe some will.

I was talking individuals not vendors. I don't blame vendors for not shipping to Indiana, I don't know that I would. If tax ever becomes part of this then yes, the game would definitely change and much care would be needed.

 

[zoiDman]

I totally would. Because it's wrong and if I get fined so be it. I'm talking in terms of individuals not vendors. I have someone out of state to do this for me, she's a vaper though so totally gets the risk and is ...... off enough to not care about the risk.

That's Cool.

I like the Nicotine Run with a Liter in each Saddle Bag idea myself. But that's just Me.

 

[Jingles]

I think the whole thing shows how much the legislators didn't understand vapers and the market. We are middle aged to older adults and we like choices! There's thousands of choices in juice companies out there and who are they to tell us we can't buy from them? If they would have took the time to understand us maybe they would have understood especially since they can't point to any physical harm coming to those adults making those choices! It would be like saying all shoe purchase's must be made face-face and no internet purchases.

 

[nomore stinkies]

A lot of us are planning on buying ejuice online and having it shipped to a friend or family member out of state and having them send it to us. Are you saying that an auditor could discover this and the buyer, the vendor and the person it was shipped to could be in trouble?

I wouldnt think so if it is shipped to a state that allows online orders. This was for real cigarettes and they wanted the taxed owed.