Could this be remedied with a note on the label like there is for nuts, etc? This flavor contains ____. (PG, real nut flavoring, diacetyl, citric acid, tobacco derivatives, etc) And of course, "this product has not yet been approved by the FDA" should probably be on all labels.
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Could this be remedied with a note on the label like there is for nuts, etc? This flavor contains ____. (PG, real nut flavoring, diacetyl, citric acid, tobacco derivatives, etc) And of course, "this product has not yet been approved by the FDA" should probably be on all labels.
Yeah, it's clear there is a long way to go. I can't think of ANYTHING else you can buy that doesn't have some kind of facts on it. Vapor Renu puts a nutrition facts label on their juices, lol. I think it's all 00's but they're on there. Liberty Flights lists some ingredients on their bottles and coincidentally, LF is a founding member of ECITA. I wonder if they could chime in here help us out with this trade organization.
I just made my first LF order on Thanksgiving. Haven't tried Vapor Renu yet. There are so many places to check out.
I haven't looked at ECITA at all. Is it similar to the ECA?
I think ECA was supposed to be similar to ECITA. ECA's website hasn't been updated in a while, so I don't know what they're doing, but they should probably be included in these discussions.
I was under the impression that ECA disappeared round about the time of the first hearing with the FDA.
And one difference I must point out is that ECITA is an organization for the vendors. The ecig industry itself got proactive and established safety and quality standards in order to get its seal of approval.
ETA: And, to this point, have been successful specifically because of their efforts in staving off government takeover. Whether that will last is not known, but for now it has done the trick and the government is allowing the industry to self-regulate.
And one difference I must point out is that ECITA is an organization for the vendors. The ecig industry itself got proactive and established safety and quality standards in order to get its seal of approval.
ETA: And, to this point, have been successful specifically because of their efforts in staving off government takeover. Whether that will last is not known, but for now it has done the trick and the government is allowing the industry to self-regulate.
I've noticed that. I have kind of been discouraged by what I've been trying to find with the current organizations. I sit here and try to become an ex-smoker (over a month now) and an informed vaper, but I still feel lost in the woods.
Hmmm, I was wondering why ECA hadn't updated their site since May. Anyhow, here's their rules for membership.
ECA Membership
The Electronic Cigarette Association (ECA) is a 501(c)(6), a not-for-profit trade organization.
All ECA Members must abide by these regulations:
(A) they do not make claims to consumers concerning, but not limited to, health
benefits, improved safety, or smoking cessation from the use of electronic cigarette
products;
(B) they do not create, promote, or sell products with flavors using the terms “ice
cream”, “candy”, “licorice”, or “bubble gum”;
(C) the bottles of electronic cigarette liquid they create, promote, or sell have childproof
caps on them;
(D) the products they create, promote, or sell include all ECA sponsored warnings;
(E) the cartridges or bottles of electronic cigarette liquid they create, promote, or sell
contain a maximum 24 mg/ml of nicotine;
(F) the bottles of electronic cigarette liquid containing nicotine they create, promote,
or sell are no larger than 30 ml;
(G) each product they create, promote, or sell containing nicotine includes a warning
about the risks associated with nicotine use;
(H) online vendors must verify to reasonable certainty that their customers are of legal
smoking age; and
(I) retail vendors must verify that their customers are of legal smoking age by
inspecting the customer’s state-issued photo identification.
ECA Membership
The Electronic Cigarette Association (ECA) is a 501(c)(6), a not-for-profit trade organization.
All ECA Members must abide by these regulations:
(A) they do not make claims to consumers concerning, but not limited to, health
benefits, improved safety, or smoking cessation from the use of electronic cigarette
products;
(B) they do not create, promote, or sell products with flavors using the terms “ice
cream”, “candy”, “licorice”, or “bubble gum”;
(C) the bottles of electronic cigarette liquid they create, promote, or sell have childproof
caps on them;
(D) the products they create, promote, or sell include all ECA sponsored warnings;
(E) the cartridges or bottles of electronic cigarette liquid they create, promote, or sell
contain a maximum 24 mg/ml of nicotine;
(F) the bottles of electronic cigarette liquid containing nicotine they create, promote,
or sell are no larger than 30 ml;
(G) each product they create, promote, or sell containing nicotine includes a warning
about the risks associated with nicotine use;
(H) online vendors must verify to reasonable certainty that their customers are of legal
smoking age; and
(I) retail vendors must verify that their customers are of legal smoking age by
inspecting the customer’s state-issued photo identification.
Sorry for potentially sounding dumb, but isn't this supposed to be a watchdog organization then? I really don't understand them. I thought they were mainly about defending vaping to the government.
It seems that was all they were trying to do. I think CASAA is the only thing still going and that's what they do now.
LOL, ok. Now it's clearer. I wasn't jumping on her, I just know how these threads can change pages while you're typing.
Someone from ECITA has already offered to help us get something similar started here in the States.
I'll try to look for the post later when I get a chance.
I'm almost positive that ECA has disbanded, but you could PM Bill Godshall for more details.
There is also the National Vapers Club and the Vapor's Coalition.
See this article...
CASAA.org
There are others as well, like Smokefree Pennsylvania for instance.
I wonder why ECA disbanded. We need a trade organization. Also, I've checked some vendor's sites and so far, only Viking Vapor has a seal of any kind on their home page. They have the CASAA seal.
Can I get a list of ingredients that could be found in juice that can have ill effects on vapers?
Propylene Glycol, Diacetyl, Acetoin, 2,3-butanediol . . .
Propylene Glycol, Diacetyl, Acetoin, 2,3-butanediol . . .
Warbdan, the only US supplier I know of that has these type of seals is Johnson's Creek. The have the BBB seal and the FDA registered seal. (several people noted that they were on FDA's radar - that is because they registered with them) Hopefully it is ok to post info here. Moderator stated no bashing/defending of vendors and I am just stating a fact based on research. If not ok - please remove.
FDA
FDA Information
Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC is fully registered with the U.S. Food & Drug Administration pursuant to Section 305 of the United States Public Health and Bioterrorism Act of 2002, P.L. 107-188
What does this mean? It does not mean we are "FDA Approved." The FDA has not yet made a determination on whether or not it will regulate the e-smoking industry, nor what those regulations might be. Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC facilities and operations are FDA Registered. The law now requires that all companies who produce products for human consumption, must register their facility and operations with the FDA. Further, all information pertaining to a company's address and nature of business must be current with FDA at all times.
Being FDA Registered assures our accounts, customers and the public that Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC is a fully disclosed company with the federal government.
Being FDA Registered does not imply that Johnson Creek Enterprises is a pharmaceutical company or that its products have been approved or certified by FDA. Being FDA Registered does mean that Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC places public safety and well being as our top priority.
There has been a lot of information and misinformation in the news lately in regards to the e-smoking industry in general as it relates to the FDA. We do not anticipate any real issues with the FDA as they begin to develop rules and regulations for the industry. In fact, we feel that we already adhere to any regulations they're likely to impose, such as; child safety caps, plastic shrink banded caps, etc. We were also the first company to voluntarily list our ingredients on our bottles and print warnings for children and pets. We're also quite proud of the ultra sanitary conditions and use of personal protective equipment in which we bottle our Smoke Juice. Johnson Creek Original Smoke Juice and Red Oak, a PG-Free Smoke Juice, are proudly made in America, with the highest grade ingredients available. Ultimately, we do not know what the FDA will choose to do with the e-smoking industry, but whatever they do decide, we're ready and we welcome their involvement.
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Johnson Creek FDA Registration Number: 15681452094
FDA
FDA Information
Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC is fully registered with the U.S. Food & Drug Administration pursuant to Section 305 of the United States Public Health and Bioterrorism Act of 2002, P.L. 107-188
What does this mean? It does not mean we are "FDA Approved." The FDA has not yet made a determination on whether or not it will regulate the e-smoking industry, nor what those regulations might be. Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC facilities and operations are FDA Registered. The law now requires that all companies who produce products for human consumption, must register their facility and operations with the FDA. Further, all information pertaining to a company's address and nature of business must be current with FDA at all times.
Being FDA Registered assures our accounts, customers and the public that Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC is a fully disclosed company with the federal government.
Being FDA Registered does not imply that Johnson Creek Enterprises is a pharmaceutical company or that its products have been approved or certified by FDA. Being FDA Registered does mean that Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC places public safety and well being as our top priority.
There has been a lot of information and misinformation in the news lately in regards to the e-smoking industry in general as it relates to the FDA. We do not anticipate any real issues with the FDA as they begin to develop rules and regulations for the industry. In fact, we feel that we already adhere to any regulations they're likely to impose, such as; child safety caps, plastic shrink banded caps, etc. We were also the first company to voluntarily list our ingredients on our bottles and print warnings for children and pets. We're also quite proud of the ultra sanitary conditions and use of personal protective equipment in which we bottle our Smoke Juice. Johnson Creek Original Smoke Juice and Red Oak, a PG-Free Smoke Juice, are proudly made in America, with the highest grade ingredients available. Ultimately, we do not know what the FDA will choose to do with the e-smoking industry, but whatever they do decide, we're ready and we welcome their involvement.
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Johnson Creek FDA Registration Number: 15681452094
All these concerns and complaints from ex-smokers. It would be nice if everything in life was 100% safe. I'm glad my ancestors didn't think that way or I would probably be living on a pig farm in some back country in Europe. If all this testing and 10 years of research becomes required, not many will like the end result. PV's with dinky little batteries and prefilled cartridges only with 4mg of nicotine being the highest possible level. And they will all taste just like nicorette gum when it came out. Once the big pharmaceutical companies take over, that is all that will be available. And you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. There is nothing wrong with reasonable testing, but be careful what you wish for.
Johnson's Creek does seem to have gotten ahead of the ball as far as their product goes and they are one of the few that is probably in a good position to be ready should the FDA start regulating. As big as they are, I'm guessing that they've got their clean rooms, OSHA clearance, health inspections, calibrated measuring equipment, and independent testing all set up, and that which isn't done yet is ready to roll out as soon as they get the FDA nod. I seem to recall that they were quick to respond to ingredient questions, too.
One fear I have had is if the FDA gets involved pharma companies would take over, we would need a prescription for vaping supplies, etc. There is no way I could do that. Johnson's Creek has already had the FDA visit their site. They were given a list of things to comply with and based on what is stated above it doesn't sound like a ban or anything along those lines will happen. I could be wrong, but in the 3rd paragraph their statements make it seem like they are not too worried.
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