Innokin announces temp control

[TheBloke]

New video! Thanks muchely to @AtmizrOpin for posting it in another thread:

Thanks!

So yup, there be a tank with a sensor on it!



But what kind of sensor?? @Quantum Mech ? thermopile?

Very interesting indeed - could it really allow rebuildables?

Probably not yet, there's a mass of coil heads everywhere on the desk and I am certain the first tank they announced, the iSub TC, is a coil head tank.

But that sensor looks like it could be made generic, pointing at a spot for a user-made coil..

 

[TheBloke]

It does make me laugh - they go to all that trouble, all that equipment with even a f'ing automatic wire detector, to prove their technology - then they give the job of cameraman to Shaky McShakyson of Shakesville who can't even focus in on the temperature graph they really want you to see to prove the accuracy!

I get that at the start they probably didn't focus in too much on the devices to protect the IP, but there's no excuse not showing the temperature monitoring correctly

"Look, 210°C! So accurate!" Err no, that's just a random line on a graph whose axis we cannot even begin to see. Thanks, very conclusive.

 

[TheBloke]

From @Quantum Mech

Expect that's a Thermocouple

Small size / fast response

A Thermocouple is a contact probe sensor like found in DMMs with temp sensing probes. Has to touch the coil.

 

[Quantum Mech]

Looking at the application being used here a small contact J Type would suffice & are cheap

They work just as well though with conducted[contact] , radiated or convection heat transfer

Unless the sensor is encapsulated in inert gas though, corrosion will effect its accuracy quite fast touching a coil

Any RBA section with a re-usable sensor they bring out would definitely need to be encapsulated .... we'll see

 

[atroph]

Simplest thing to implement an additional sensor is to retain the 510 pin and put a couple of spring loaded pins at the bottom of the atty face where the atty hits the mod and that would hit two slip rings. Then you would have three signals to read the temp (voltage in, voltage out, and ground.) The implementation would be something similar to a car steering wheel electronics. Not rocket science, but pretty cool to see it come to mods.

I don't think juice is that conductive so a little spillage shouldn't affect the readings that much if at all since the connection would be fairly solid. Corrosion of the rings and pins on the other hand would be a problem that would need to be paid close attention to.

 

[Quantum Mech]

I think a combination of the two would work well for an RBA @atroph

Encapsulated sprung loaded J Type that contacts the wick when the atty is screwed down

Corrosion issue dealt with & probe cost efficient with RBA rather than throw away coils

It would rule out soft metals like Ni200 though & would require routing of the air flow to the sides

Or adjustable position screw from the side would eliminate them issues

Its still very early here, best I have another coffee & see if this post is still viable once caffeine has taken effect

 

[Croak]

You folks notice that when they switched between Ti and NiCr coils (at around 2:13), it seemed like the decks just snapped into place on a screwed in 510 base? Modular base? Interesting.

 

[Mooch]

You folks notice that when they switched between Ti and NiCr coils (at around 2:13), it seemed like the decks just snapped into place on a screwed in 510 base? Modular base? Interesting.

Caught that...wondering if anyone saw how many pins might have been on the coil assembly?

 

[USMCotaku]

I was thinking the sensors connection to the mod could be done wireless....rfid type, that was powered through the 510..... No needed to redesign the wheel that way
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[Mooch]

I was thinking the sensors connection to the mod could be done wireless....rfid type, that was powered through the 510..... No needed to redesign the wheel that way
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

Nice!
Sure solves the problem of how to keep the connections clean.
With all that metal around though reliable comms could be interesting.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

New video! Thanks muchely to @AtmizrOpin for posting it in another thread:



Thanks!

So yup, there be a tank with a sensor on it!



But what kind of sensor?? @Quantum Mech ? thermopile?

Very interesting indeed - could it really allow rebuildables?

Probably not yet, there's a mass of coil heads everywhere on the desk and I am certain the first tank they announced, the iSub TC, is a coil head tank.

But that sensor looks like it could be made generic, pointing at a spot for a user-made coil..

I hate being right all the time..lol!!

 

[USMCotaku]

Nice!
Sure solves the problem of how to keep the connections clean.
With all that metal around though reliable comms could be interesting.

That would be beneficial maybe.... Unless they designed it to connect using a serial code (new coil...yes.... Connection made, only reads that number till redone with new coil) it would keep the signal from going too far....i.e. Two of these mods close to each other trying to read the others coil .
Ding know how they are doing theirs but that would be my answer to the equation of how to set up an in tank sensor but keep the 510.

 

[vincom]

Two of these mods close to each other trying to read the others coil .
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great, not only do i have to worry about my pc and phone i now i have to worry about someone hacking into my mod...lol

 

[damped]

It does make me laugh - they go to all that trouble, all that equipment with even a f'ing automatic wire detector, to prove their technology - then they give the job of cameraman to Shaky McShakyson of Shakesville who can't even focus in on the temperature graph they really want you to see to prove the accuracy!

I get that at the start they probably didn't focus in too much on the devices to protect the IP, but there's no excuse not showing the temperature monitoring correctly

"Look, 210°C! So accurate!" Err no, that's just a random line on a graph whose axis we cannot even begin to see. Thanks, very conclusive.

Did you take a look at the screen on his "machine" when the analysing was finished in only 5 sec. (btw it's a NITON XL2).
After reading the information on the screen the tester confirms yes it's titanium.

If you look at the screen results;

Nitronic33*3.1 -- first match the Niton regornize I think
SS-201 -- well thats Stanley Steel -- second match the Niton regornize I think

Chemistry reading from the screen;

Ti (titanium) 1.67
Cr (chromium) 16,79
Mn (Manganese) 8.87
Fe (Ferro-Iron) 68,72
Ni (Nickel) 3.28

That doesn't look like titanium, the second test for the Nichrome is a little better.
Of course not so important now if they really used Ti but what's the reason of showing the equipment with a false reading and confirm it.
Do they think we're stupid? or was it just a example for the video and they didn't had the time for a better/longer test or am I missing something.

Very amusing those China vids.

Here's the screen capture;

 

[vincom]

they have all that testing equipment ready to go "but" all they had was a phone camera w/what seems like a 10 yr old filming it, weird and suspicious

 

[Quantum Mech]

Did you take a look at the screen on his "machine" when the analysing was finished in only 5 sec. (btw it's a NITON XL2).
After reading the information on the screen the tester confirms yes it's titanium.

If you look at the screen results;

Nitronic33*3.1 -- first match the Niton regornize I think
SS-201 -- well thats Stanley Steel -- second match the Niton regornize I think

Chemistry reading from the screen;

Ti (titanium) 1.67
Cr (chromium) 16,79
Mn (Manganese) 8.87
Fe (Ferro-Iron) 68,72
Ni (Nickel) 3.28

That doesn't look like titanium, the second test for the Nichrome is a little better.
Of course not so important now if they really used Ti but what's the reason of showing the equipment with a false reading and confirm it.
Do they think we're stupid? or was it just a example for the video and they didn't had the time for a better/longer test or am I missing something.

Very amusing those China vids.

Here's the screen capture;

Very well spotted @damped

So the plot thickens, shaky video & claiming to use a wire that was not what appeared on their fancy Niton

WTH is really going on here

 

[TheBloke]

Yesterday I put a comment on their video to ask them if it would be coil-head only, or RTA as well, and explaining truthfully that I wouldn't buy a coil-head version but I would buy an RTA version.

The response:

+TheBloke To be honestly , not finalize yet , either iTC coil head or RTA will be able to use all kinds of wires . Thank you !​

The iTC he refers to is the iSub TC Tank, which we know will be first and coil-head only.

In one sense it's good that he appears to confirm that it could work in an RTA. On the other hand, he may well just be wanting to keep that possibility alive for now because he knows it's popular, not because they have any plans to implement it any time soon.

Very well spotted @damped

So the plot thickens, shaky video & claiming to use a wire that was not what appeared on their fancy Niton

WTH is really going on here

I still refer to my preferred maxim "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." I think it's legit and they screwed up the video and the wire test. They've got some kind of plug-in atty with a sensor on it, that much seems pretty clear; that whole setup could be conspiracy, but in my view it looks genuine. And if it is indeed a direct temperature sensing sensor, we know it would work with any wire, so there'd be no point faking a wire type.

I do think they're daft for going to the trouble of making a video with expensive test equipment and then allowing even a shadow of a doubt over its accuracy. let alone a big one. But I think that's down to poor presentation and not fake technology.

Put another way, they're now so deep in this that for it to later come out and not work as shown, to have the slightest whiff of trickery, would be a disaster.

But yeah they've done themselves no favours at all by screwing the presentation - very silly.

 

[Quantum Mech]

Yesterday I put a comment on their video to ask them if it would be coil-head only, or RTA as well, and explaining truthfully that I wouldn't buy a coil-head version but I would buy an RTA version.

The response:

+TheBloke To be honestly , not finalize yet , either iTC coil head or RTA will be able to use all kinds of wires . Thank you !​

The iTC he refers to is the iSub TC Tank, which we know will be first and coil-head only.

In one sense it's good that he appears to confirm that it could work in an RTA. On the other hand, he may well just be wanting to keep that possibility alive for now because he knows it's popular, not because they have any plans to implement it any time soon.



I still refer to my preferred maxim "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." I think it's legit and they screwed up the video and the wire test. They've got some kind of plug-in atty with a sensor on it, that much seems pretty clear; that whole setup could be conspiracy, but in my view it looks genuine. And if it is indeed a direct temperature sensing sensor, we know it would work with any wire, so there'd be no point faking a wire type.

I do think they're daft for going to the trouble of making a video with expensive test equipment and then allowing even a shadow of a doubt over its accuracy. let alone a big one. But I think that's down to poor presentation and not fake technology.

Put another way, they're now so deep in this that for it to later come out and not work as shown, to have the slightest whiff of trickery, would be a disaster.

But yeah they've done themselves no favours at all by screwing the presentation - very silly.

Argh you've ruined it now

I luv a good conspiracy theory

What you say makes sense though, especially them digging a hole they wont be able to wriggle out of with their rep on the line

 

[IanDVaypes]

It haz da superpowerz

 

[vincom]

innovation from innokin, meh, quality yes in their mods but innovative? in this day and age, not.
tanks, meh, the only one thats gotten good reviews is the isub, good, yes, innovative its not other than price point.