Interesting news for modders and a question

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Java_Az

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I would have to say, I for one would absolutely positively never ever buy one of these regulators!

Reason why is how they advertised them. I watched the video and the guy was saying there is no way to get a stable voltage off a variable voltage regulator. That the voltage would be all over the place leading to a not so good vaping experience. Well that is just simply not true. I would think that someone that had the brain to design that circuit would know better. But i will give them the benefit of the doubt and not call them a liar.

As proof all you need to do is get you a evercool chip hook it up to a voltage meter that can read a thousandth of a volt. While vaping that regulator will give you a constant voltage that might bounce around 1 to 2 at the most thousandths of a volt. And that's every time no matter what time of day it is. Now you plug that into a ohm law calculator you will see that is stable into a hundredth of watt . So if i wanted to vape at 10.27 watts i could do it and will stay there every time. constant 2 second vape 10 second vape 20 second vape doesn't matter it will give me that constant voltage that in turn gives me a constant wattage in the the hundredths of a watt. Just the facts don't take my word on get you a meter and test it out for yourselves.
 

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There was a video? That company puts out next to no information about their product. A vaping vendor rep and I have discussed back and forth a time or two about their short circuit protection or lack thereof. I'm pretty sure I win the argument as they are just now shipping units with a visible indicator that shows you one has occurred rather than just going DOA..
 
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Reason why is how they advertised them. I watched the video and the guy was saying there is no way to get a stable voltage off a variable voltage regulator. That the voltage would be all over the place leading to a not so good vaping experience. Well that is just simply not true. I would think that someone that had the brain to design that circuit would know better. But i will give them the benefit of the doubt and not call them a liar.

Maybe he's talking about that particular unit? Mechanical pots can be pretty jumpy when they get worn or if they are just cheap crappy pots to begin with. That can be resolved by using a digital pot or a high quality worm drive pot. A properly designed converter is normally stable, in other words, the voltage does not fluctuate provided the feedback loop is stable (the part with the pot). It's actually not that uncommon for converters to become unstable under certain conditions, but a properly designed one is unconditionally stable.

DC-DC converters do not have a perfectly smooth output, they all have some amount of ripple, but it's certainly no amount you could ever detect vaping. You wouldn't be able to see it with a mult-meter since the ripple is high frequency and averaged by the meter, but you can see it plainly if you look at the output on a scope. It's usually listed in a converter's data sheet. It varies with load, but it's usually in the tens of millivolts for a good converter. So, that normally would not be an issue for driving an atomizer.
 
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I guess I don't really care about variable voltage vs variable wattage. It's all subjective anyway.... (the vaping primate turns some dial due to feedback from it's own neurons). I'd care about price and construction and how well it would hold up.

I would have to totally agree with that. To me it is all about turning that dial to a voltage , wattage , amperage ( they will all get you to the same end result ) till you hit that spot that makes your taste buds have a orgasm.
 

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I guess I don't really care about variable voltage vs variable wattage. It's all subjective anyway.... (the vaping primate turns some dial due to feedback from it's own neurons). I'd care about price and construction and how well it would hold up.

I am not so concerned about the price as long as it is quality made. I don't want to buy junk. and as long as it is small enough not to hog up too much real estate.
 

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eh most likely not. the provari was old tech from the get go btw. better parts and assembled well but VV has been around a while. Evolve actually puts cash into research and dev.
Too bad Evolve didn't have a clue about actual vaping though. Fancy electronics is not enough.

This guy's been around the block a few times.



Note there is a shorty 510 adapter on it.
 

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I'm doing a mod right now that "could" do wattage control if I wanted since I'm going to employ a fairly accurate current sensor with it. However, I'm still going to use voltage control. The current sensor will only be for user feedback, not control. I've actually wanted a current sensor since the first mod I did, but I only recently came across a way to employ one for high currents cheaply by using a 10mm length of 16ga nichrome wire. High wattage current sense resistors are large and expensive. Though I'm going to have to figure out how to solder that stuff on a PCB.

Voltage control just seems like the best way to me. One downside with wattage control is the reliance on two control points instead of one. The error for voltage control is going to multiply with the error for current sensing. So, for example, if your voltage control has 2% error and your current detection has 3% error, your output will have 6% error by wattage control and 2% error by voltage control. Really not a big deal since you probably wouldn't notice a 6% error anyway, but as a matter of design principle, voltage control is going to be more accurate. However, as already stated, that's getting into a "lipstick on the pig" kind of thing.
 

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Ok well then,

First off evolve DID know about vaping before they designed the darwin and power reg setup. Brandon IS a vaper and testament to the vaping community. For all of the VV is better people please don't post here. I wanted this to be a statement and question about power reg NOT a flame war.

If you prefer one over the other fanboy elsewhere. If you are open to polite discussion I welcome you.
 

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Too bad Evolve didn't have a clue about actual vaping though. Fancy electronics is not enough.

This guy's been around the block a few times.



Note there is a shorty 510 adapter on it.


I watch his video's only to see his smoke rings,,,,,IMO that is all he does well......he-he
 
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