Introducing the Precise Strata RDA
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Great review by igetcha69, I appreciate his helpful insight using a plastic bottle as a replacement topcap to have a proper air hole that hits the coils and provides a decent vape. Why is he being censored if he offers helpful advice to strata users? Streisand effect anyone? Let's suppress any and all negative comments because those guys don't known what their talking about. Implying supert is the only authority on how to properly use this atty, problem is they don't know how to use it themselves and have decided to run a contest in hopes you can figure it out.
No one is trying to suppress anything, but that review kicked off several haters spreading false information and 2 of these haters that the mods had to ban, even made up FALSE reviews and tried to pass them off here. If you will notice, Igetcha was never banned, censored or anything, nor has anyone with legitimate posts. Also, on the bottle trick that was posted, its totally non applicable and misleading, see my previous post below and the syringe tests are non applicable too as they were using FORCED INDUCTION, not VACUUM induction (which is how all rba/rda's work) which totally changes the fluid dynamics from that test. I'm not going to debate false information on my forums and hence why I had to moderate with a heavy hand. I WILL post up the videos and you will see that those tests were totally invalid.
Explaining the coils and plastic top misinformation:
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At least in the meantime until I can get my tests done, imagine the difference with forcing (pressurizing in other words) the vapor out of a syringe as shown vs had you drawn (vacuum) the vapor into the syringe by pulling the plunger up which would simulate a rba chamber? Totally different results.
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I actually watched the video and thought it was crap to be honest...his long winded attempted explaination of airflow did not take into account the actual strata design and prattled on about forced air versus air drawn by vacuume...and then didn't take into consideration the 4 airholes or combinations of such, or the effect of prewarming the air either...
The bottle topper showed nothing...and I fear even a series of videos produced by super T with their clear test cap will show nothing....
To actually see what exactly is going on and put the issue definiatively to rest, we'd need an extreme closeup with the air being drawn through the mouthpiece....with some sort of visible colorant so we can see exactly what the air is doing at the very moment it enters the chamber.....on both setups....
Up to that point it's pure speculation and conjecture....
I had hoped we were past this though....
For some of us it works just fine and as intended...
And bottom line for me...I've got more faith in the designer that spent over a year coming up with it than some video reviewer that gave me the impression when I first saw him 5 years ago as a bought and paid for shill (at that time for TW)..
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The bottle topper showed nothing...and I fear even a series of videos produced by super T with their clear test cap will show nothing....
To actually see what exactly is going on and put the issue definiatively to rest, we'd need an extreme closeup with the air being drawn through the mouthpiece....with some sort of visible colorant so we can see exactly what the air is doing at the very moment it enters the chamber.....on both setups....
Up to that point it's pure speculation and conjecture....
I had hoped we were past this though....
For some of us it works just fine and as intended...
And bottom line for me...I've got more faith in the designer that spent over a year coming up with it than some video reviewer that gave me the impression when I first saw him 5 years ago as a bought and paid for shill (at that time for TW)..
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I'll bite. Probably not what you are thinking of, but...
When the fluid was expelled through the nipple of the syringe, there was no "back wall" to direct the flow. And as he stated, no upward vaccuum motion could be replicated. But, more importantly to my eyes, the rate of ejection seemed to be pretty low through the nipple as compared to the side hole. In other words, he seemed to have pushed the plunger harder/faster when ejecting through the side hole. Now, granted, this was probably done to demonstrate the direction of flow, but it gives the impression of a dramatically increased flow through the side hole as compared to the nipple.
I should state that I have enjoyed his reviews quite a bit. He seems to be a "straight shooter", so to speak.
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Those are some good points too Joe. The main point i take issue with is the test is forcing (pressurizing) the vapor out, which makes it shoot out straight of the side hole.(just like a garden hose would expel water), but RBA/RDA's do not work on pressurization to get the air in, the work on vacuum, so when the air comes through the side inlet hole, it doesn't shoot out straight like in the syringe test, it immediately gets pulled pretty much straight up (its a vacuum) towards wherever the vacuum source is coming from (in this case the tip hole). It also doesn't dissipate on the flat surface either that it shows(which is to simulate my ledge), since the vacuum source is above it it immediately pulls the air out of my holes and it heads up towards the tip hole.
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I have great respect for Scott, really. When I started vaping, I watched hours of his videos and I'm still following him, checking weekly what he's been up to, but honestly... this whole fuss about the Strata being designed wrong because it doesn't use a side hole is just over me. People coming to the Super T forum to say that it should be banned because it could kill someone... What the hell??!
I still want a Strata, and I still want to experiment and find what works fine for me, and find the best possible build in the less possible amount of recoiling time, and that won't be different from what I did with the Kayfuns, Taifuns, Origen and all the atties I have/had. Easy to get a decent vape out of them, but need fiddling to get the vape YOU like (countless builts on a Kayfun to found the one I love, and that implies the one that gives me the best vape and I can make in less that 10mns, cleaning the whole thing included, yet that Kayfun is often refered to as "easy")
All I care about is that:
and I'm ready to spend some time to get it to vape as great as it looks because it just looks like the mod I would have chosen if someone would have asked my personal opinion about what a badass mech mod should be like. I trust David on this one, maybe I won't be able to get anything from it or maybe I won't consider it's worth spending 30mns every other day to build a special coil that works only on the Strata, but that's the way I am, I hear people's opinions, but I need to have my own.
PS: The swastika coil got my vote! First one I'll try
PSbis: Could we just forget about that fight and concentrate on the most important question on earth right now: When will my own personal ELA Strata hit my mailbox?
I still want a Strata, and I still want to experiment and find what works fine for me, and find the best possible build in the less possible amount of recoiling time, and that won't be different from what I did with the Kayfuns, Taifuns, Origen and all the atties I have/had. Easy to get a decent vape out of them, but need fiddling to get the vape YOU like (countless builts on a Kayfun to found the one I love, and that implies the one that gives me the best vape and I can make in less that 10mns, cleaning the whole thing included, yet that Kayfun is often refered to as "easy")
All I care about is that:
and I'm ready to spend some time to get it to vape as great as it looks because it just looks like the mod I would have chosen if someone would have asked my personal opinion about what a badass mech mod should be like. I trust David on this one, maybe I won't be able to get anything from it or maybe I won't consider it's worth spending 30mns every other day to build a special coil that works only on the Strata, but that's the way I am, I hear people's opinions, but I need to have my own.
PS: The swastika coil got my vote! First one I'll try
PSbis: Could we just forget about that fight and concentrate on the most important question on earth right now: When will my own personal ELA Strata hit my mailbox?
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Nach wraps, snork wraps, ophion coils, V mesh....
.. C'mon guys lol, you may not want to hear this but Scott is right. stratas shipped are $155.00 and if time was money they cost $5,000.00!! Jk. I'm not going to beat a dead horse here, but what Scott was getting at is that this RBA was designed on a theory, and not by actual vaping-testing-altering-vaping-testing etc etc. I may be wrong but I believe David prefers cartos and did rely on beta testing. What was revealed during that testing? Only the guys on here can answer that.
Scott is generally trying to say that you shouldn't need to mess around so much to get a great vape quality. What does he know?, he only tests the best of the best. I can agree with him fully, After 1.5 years of vaping I have owned nearly all devices worth mentioning including all of the rare unicorns, and they don't require fiddling and physics degrees. Am I unsatisfied? No, atleast not yet. Do I appreciate the different approach? Yes, 1000% because everything these days is generic as hell and many of us vapers buy into the trends to only throw away money. Back to the strata, it is a sexy looking peice for sure. The main issue is that it did not have a creator who spends 3 hours at night fiddling with coils and not so scientific approaches to vaping. It's kind of like tesla designing a sports car vs. Pagani. One is made by computers and high tech machines, and the other is made by hand, the careful eye, and designed by experience not theory.
David take zero offence, I respect what you try to do and you make the most quality gear in this business. I think if you re think the top cap you will have a great atty here, the base and deck are great (need to add adjustable battery tele posts though!!).
.. C'mon guys lol, you may not want to hear this but Scott is right. stratas shipped are $155.00 and if time was money they cost $5,000.00!! Jk. I'm not going to beat a dead horse here, but what Scott was getting at is that this RBA was designed on a theory, and not by actual vaping-testing-altering-vaping-testing etc etc. I may be wrong but I believe David prefers cartos and did rely on beta testing. What was revealed during that testing? Only the guys on here can answer that.
Scott is generally trying to say that you shouldn't need to mess around so much to get a great vape quality. What does he know?, he only tests the best of the best. I can agree with him fully, After 1.5 years of vaping I have owned nearly all devices worth mentioning including all of the rare unicorns, and they don't require fiddling and physics degrees. Am I unsatisfied? No, atleast not yet. Do I appreciate the different approach? Yes, 1000% because everything these days is generic as hell and many of us vapers buy into the trends to only throw away money. Back to the strata, it is a sexy looking peice for sure. The main issue is that it did not have a creator who spends 3 hours at night fiddling with coils and not so scientific approaches to vaping. It's kind of like tesla designing a sports car vs. Pagani. One is made by computers and high tech machines, and the other is made by hand, the careful eye, and designed by experience not theory.
David take zero offence, I respect what you try to do and you make the most quality gear in this business. I think if you re think the top cap you will have a great atty here, the base and deck are great (need to add adjustable battery tele posts though!!).
Good afternoon duke916, Good to see your Strata arrived safely from their journey halfway around the world
I'm glad to hear you are getting it dialed in and I hope it brings you years of great service!David
First build, only took 20 mins to figure out how to build and get it working. And it is working great!!
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Very nice Symbolik, what type of setup did you go with in that bad boy?!
David,
Just wanted to say I hate to clutter up the shop with all the stuff you're trying to get out...
But,
I just sent an email about how to send in my 3 year old 18650 precise + for warranty servicing and refinishing (to match my new strata since the satin finishes are different)...
Just wondering if you need the strata too to be able to match finishes....
Also I though I saw you mention considering making a video about what goes into refinishing/warranty service....so it's a warning that one should be coming in soon that you can use for that...
It's actually in pretty good shape for having been dropped 2 stories, into mudpuddles, run over on a job site by a gradeall....
Just wanted to say I hate to clutter up the shop with all the stuff you're trying to get out...
But,
I just sent an email about how to send in my 3 year old 18650 precise + for warranty servicing and refinishing (to match my new strata since the satin finishes are different)...
Just wondering if you need the strata too to be able to match finishes....
Also I though I saw you mention considering making a video about what goes into refinishing/warranty service....so it's a warning that one should be coming in soon that you can use for that...
It's actually in pretty good shape for having been dropped 2 stories, into mudpuddles, run over on a job site by a gradeall....
For me, the Strata didn't require fiddling or a physics degree, just an examination of what it is and how it works. If you just look at it it's pretty obvious what to do. For me, a nice long sloppy coil is working magnificently. Compared to some eensy little exacto microcoil coiling it is a piece of cake and takes zero time out of my life.
Like you I've had many things, four of which I think are worth anything. The Mark-T. The Odysseus. The Spheroid. The Strata. The rest were blips on my screen for my own reasons and I didn't need anybody telling me that I should spend more time figuring them out or that I wasn't doing it right, so I'm not here to say that for the Strata. I just think it's weird that some poeple who haven't even seen it comment on it, or that so-called expert vapers can't put away preconceived notions. My god if I can do it anybody surely can because my *main deal* is an atomizer that works great without richarding around with it. I *hate* fiddling with atomizers.
I wrapped 28g around a 22g wire and the wick sits on top of a cotton bed, rather than putting it through the coil. It perfectly utilizes the 360 airflow
EDIT: I think part of the reason people are bashing is cause they think this is a plain ol dripper (actually I know this) say I will be refraining from describing it as a dripper. It is definitely not the same. From now on it is just a STRATA the same way that a kayfun is a kayfun!
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Oh I own a strata btw... Or was that directed toward the crazy guy who said it would blow up? Lol
A plain dripper...that's a big plus in my world.. Direct Dripping, is the only way to fly (vape) IMO
I have a Link ordered for my ZNA...Its a Hybird fit for the Zen Z2 mods-top cap replacement like the Strata.. Link is also a dripper so it will be interesting to compare the two...
Ok folks, I dumped the loose tip that shorted. I put in my ole trusty Velocity. Built a single 28g coil (8 wrap I think) 1.5 ohm. Got me some organic cotton about 1.5 inches long. Rolled it and slipped it through the coil and tucked the ears down in the well. Filled it with some juice and let it rip. I did do a visual on which side the coil is compared to the P on the base. Less than 16th gap for airflow. I find that I get the best vape with the coil turned away from me. Hmm.
Just some random thoughts.
Just some random thoughts.
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