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ther problem is they can't buy direct from pioneer 4you...

Yes, I read their explanation. I'm just not sure I'm buying it. Humans tend to lie when they are caught with their pants down. The fact is for several days after we were hearing about people receiving their orders from other vendors and still others telling how they were able to walk into their local B&M and pick one up off the shelf, Vapor Tek was still saying: "There continues to be delays from P4You for this product. We also keep up with other sites and they do not have them either." Their initial motivation was clearly to make themselves appear as if they were in the same boat as all the other vendors when, particularly if their story is true, they knew they weren't even in the same ocean. And to simply allow this notice to hang up there for days without any sort of an update shows an inexcusable blatant disregard for their paying customers. I'm intimately aware of everything that is involved in the creation, administration and content maintenance of websites and I can tell you, from personal experience, that it could have been fixed in less than 5 minutes by a complete novice, but it wasn't until after they were called out on it that they decided to post the feel sorry for us because we are being punished for loving our customers too much excuse addendum. The smell just doesn't wash out. Now, Vapor Tek is saying it will be the 18th before their order even begins to be shipped out to them by their supplier while other vendors are saying they expect to actually be receiving their second shipments today. None of it makes sense in the context of their excuse and when something doesn't make sense, it's not true.
 
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It will be nice when we finally get some real info on suggested lower risk vaping temp ranges...so far I am on the fence about TC as a whole...fairly anemic vapor production and cool vapor have been my experience so far. I greatly prefer the regular kanthal variable wattage experience, and I am not a extreme wattage, low ohm build guy...rarely get dry/burnt hits. That said, I do have a VF clone and iPV4 inbound...

You can vape warm, I am. You just have to pay attention when the flavor and vapor production starts to weaken. It's the cotton that can't keep up, not the mods fault. It does annoy me as well though because I'd like to keep vaping til it's almost dry & I get the heads up from the mod. It is what it is I guess :unsure:
 

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Well I have the ipv4 in my hand. It's not nearly as big and bulky as I thought it would be. And yeah the engineer who thought the mirror finish was a good idea is an idiot. A black cover would have hidden any flaws much better and not tempt people to look behind there.

I won't have any ni200 til tomorrow, so I'm running it at power mode at the moment.

So far, the only thing that has been a tad off is the 510 threading. My Goblin did not screw on right at all, but finally seated flush. All the other toppers seemed to go on OK. Did anyone else thing the 510 threads were a tad "wonky" for lack of a better description????
 
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Well I have the ipv4 in my hand. It's not nearly as big and bulky as I thought it would be. And yeah the engineer who thought the mirror finish was a good idea is an idiot. A black cover would have hidden any flaws much better and not tempt people to look behind there.

I won't have any ni200 til tomorrow, so I'm running it at power mode at the moment.

So far, the only thing that has been a tad off is the 510 threading. My Goblin did not screw on right at all, but finally seated flush. All the other toppers seemed to go on OK. Did anyone else thing the 510 threads were a tad "wonky" for lack of a better description????
Don't forget to take the protector off the mirror/screen, it might help if you have issues seeing the display.

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I ordered black from them also and it left the Netherlands 2 days ago. I almost guarantee its silver with black battery cover.
I ordered black from myvapestore and they sent me silver kinda disappointed but i will live as i really like the device (not as good as my sx mini m) but the temp control does work as intended.
 
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Sorry to hear that. I have a Smok GCT and some of those Ni200 coils. Mine are all used, left out to dry from the last time I used them a couple of weeks ago. I'll dig one out tomorrow and try a vape just in case it's something weird and repeatable with the GCT and/or those coils. I used them without problems on my DNA 40 (clone), so I know it's not generic to the tank/coils. But perhaps something weird can happen in conjunction with the IPV4.

Thinking about what Vooper said - maybe you're getting a poor connection on your GCT. Fluctuating resistance would trigger that issue that Vooper described, and it's not unknown for tanks to do that. The Lemo 1 is famous for it, for example; many people, myself included, had to add an extra o-ring to the 510 pin of the Lemo 1 before it could be used with nickel builds at all, as otherwise the resistance fluctuated too much and the mod wouldn't fire.

So my guess is an issue with the GCT - either yours specifically, or in general with the IPV4; though the latter seems unlikely as I know my GCT worked fine on a DNA 40 clone.

I'll try mine tomorrow. In the meantime you should definitely try a nickel RDA build ASAP.
My gimlet works fine on mine so i would say its a chip problem on that particular one.
 

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So, since this mod works as 18650 in series and not in parallel, I assume the battery life is not similar to the 3 days that parallel mods are capable of?

Either way I could've waited and got one of these instead of getting an IStick and a Kbox, and part of me wishes I would have. Oh well... I'll buy one when the next new thing comes out and these are on sale for $50. :p
 

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So, since this mod works as 18650 in series and not in parallel, I assume the battery life is not similar to the 3 days that parallel mods are capable of?

Either way I could've waited and got one of these instead of getting an IStick and a Kbox, and part of me wishes I would have. Oh well... I'll buy one when the next new thing comes out and these are on sale for $50. :p

When I first got it and used it exclusively for a few days, and at the time was mostly using it at fixed wattages in Power mode, I get very similar battery life out of this mod as I do my dual-18650, parallel Vapor Flask clone. From a pair of brand new Samsung 25Rs (2 x 2500mah), a little more than 24 hours - probably about 14 hours of vaping time. I chain vape, often many times per minute when I'm sitting at my desk.

I'm no expert, but what I'm thinking is that so long as you're not pulling more than a single battery's worth of power, the battery consumption is similar. In other words, if you only fire at 30W on both a parallel and series mod, I think the series will give a similar amount of usage to the parallel. And when in power mode, I do only fire at 25-30W most of the time.

I have noticed that the IPV4 drains batteries down to 3.1V, whereas my VF drains them to 3.2V. That would be helping me to get a bit more usage out of the IPV4s (or balancing out some increased usage from the series configuration, perhaps.)

Anyway I don't have any proper figures, my tests were basic - when I first got the VF I used it exclusively for a day or two, and I did the same when I got the IPV4. The result seemed to indicate similar overall battery life, at the watts I was firing.
 
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420ish degrees is pretty much the limit for cotton burning, right? If I put dry cotton in and fire it, it starts to brown at around 420 degrees. Does that sound about right to you guys?
I have noticed that it really depends on the build. Some builds that would vape warm at a relatively low wattage will not vape warm at all on a TC mod. This has nothing to do with a particular TC mod and more to do with the way TC works. What I have noticed is that at 425 or so I will run my mod for a few seconds before taking a drag.
It will be nice when we finally get some real info on suggested lower risk vaping temp ranges...so far I am on the fence about TC as a whole...fairly anemic vapor production and cool vapor have been my experience so far. I greatly prefer the regular kanthal variable wattage experience, and I am not a extreme wattage, low ohm build guy...rarely get dry/burnt hits. That said, I do have a VF clone and iPV4 inbound...

I've been using a TC MOD for about two months now. It's the Vapor Flask V3 40watt by Kangxin. It's been a fairly decent MOD other that I had to do some "shade tree" engineering to correct the very loose adjustable 510 center pin and that the Power/Fire button's silver finish has worn off and the brass substrate is showing now.
(But then I'll admit my skin chemistry is very tough on certain metals. That's why only an all stainless steel watch or titanium watch are the only ones I can wear without destroying them.)

The coil building process has been the biggest learning curve. At first I was wrapping coils around 0.20 ohms on a 3.5mm mandrel with my Universal Coil Tool by Kuro. I thought that making a tight coil like I did with Kanthal was the way to go but it gave me issues and the vape was substandard. Then I read about spaced coils and reducing the resistance to anywhere from 0.08 to 0.11 ohms. Once I started doing this my vape quality improved quite a bit. I still use either the 3.5mm mandrel, sometimes the 3.0mm mandrel. Using a large ID mandrel allows the vaper to supply more juice to the coil and produce a good voluminous vape with lots of flavor. I use mostly 100% VG or 90VG/10PG based juices so the larger ID improves juice flow.

I also use mostly the Japanese organic cotton pads. I was a fan of rayon, but in TC mode it just doesn't provide enough juice flow for me personally. The Japanese cotton seems to do a much better job of wicking the juice to the coil. Since the cotton pads have the outer sides a little more condensed or pad-like than the interior I position the wick to where those sides are set to be in a vertical configuration within the coil itself - |--|. Also I cut the strip of cotton just wide enough... about 4mm wide to be just slightly snug within the coil without deforming the soft nickel wire. This configuration does a very good job of providing enough juice to the coil when it's heated.

Regarding temperatures, I find I get a slightly cooler vape compared to Kanthal and I finally realized after reading several reviews and such that it basically the nature of the beast. I've noticed that the charge of the battery has a lot to do with the warmth and quality of the vape too. Once the battery (or batteries in my case) reach a level of about 25% charge life left, according to the battery status indicator is when the vape quality starts to decrease. However, with the lower resistance coils the vape temperature is definitely warmer than the higher ohm coils such as 0.20 to 0.30. I set my temperature around 420-440F, depending on the juice I'm vaping. For grins I've even vaped an empty tank to where the wick went dry to see how it reacted and yes... the vape decreases along with flavor but NO burnt taste or throat irritation.

I've also noticed when that using the same juice in both the Taifun GT T2 (latest version) and the Kayfun V4, that the vape production and flavor is more pronounced with the Kayfun V4 while the Taifun give a slightly warmer yet less flavorful vape. BTW, both of these are "replicas" not genuine units. I refuse to pay $180 for a device when I can get a replica for so much less and works just exactly as the same. With that caveat though, regarding the Kayfun V4 replica, the Tobeco brand works flawlessly! The others I tried such brands as HCigar, Infinite and others had constant issues of resistance instability (those I sold on Ebay as used units).
The Tobeco is always consistent, no fuss no muss and rock solid. I do have on order though a genuine Eleaf LEMO 2 RTA because I've read so much about the quality and flavor of the vape. I'm looking forward to receiving it and testing it out.

Lastly, one thing I aways do once I receive a new RTS, regardless of which vendor or manufacturer I get it from is that I give them a nice 30 minute ultrasonic cleaning bath in about a quart of very warm water with 5-6 drops of DAWN dishwashing liquid added and the ultrasonic cleaner's heater turned on to ensure that all traces of machining oil, goo, and minute traces of machining debris are removed. I completely disassemble the RTA so that all parts are cleaned as thoroughly as possible. Then I take the basket out and run the hottest tap water possible over the parts for about 30 seconds to so. Let them air dry and then proceed to coil building and wicking.
I originally bought the ultrasonic cleaning device to "speed steep" my juices, which it really does improve the liquids flavor and depth. A nice side bonus is that I can now clean items such as jewelry, watches, and other items. (I got it on Ebay about 15 months ago for about $65 w/free shipping.)

We're still in the learning curve for these TC devices and coils so I recommend we all be patient and help each other out if issues arise.

L8R - Nibiru2012 :vapor: :tumble:

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For those who are having issues with their coils, please read this tutorial from Evolv.
It addresses that most definitely larger coils do a better job and such. Now remember they're pushing their product the DNA-40 chipset. However, the article is applicable to all brands of temperature controlled MODS.
Technical: DNA-40D & temperature protection
 
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My first experience using TC was with a Invader Mini, and I had a lot of problems with that unit...inconsistent vape, weak and anemic vapor...I returned it. My experience using the iPV 4 has been much, much better...so I may need to go back on some statements I made about TC vaping in some previous posts :) I also have a couple of Waidea VF clones that I need to try out in TC mode, we'll see how they do compared to the iPV 4...
 

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420ish degrees is pretty much the limit for cotton burning, right? If I put dry cotton in and fire it, it starts to brown at around 420 degrees. Does that sound about right to you guys?

That sounds low to me. I see some very mild browning at those kinds of temps but nothing more....
 

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Yea that's kind of annoying since I vape above 400-420 so I could still get a nice dry hit. I'm on the fence about this nickel/TC now for this reason. I do get a tad bit of different notes from my juice but is it worth it?
if its built properly etc then you will not get a dry hit at those temeperatures. Not possible if the device is working as it should and your coil is set up properly. You arent using dry cotton, it is juiced. Thje vapour will disappear but it wont (or at least shouldnt) burn.
 

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My first experience using TC was with a Invader Mini, and I had a lot of problems with that unit...inconsistent vape, weak and anemic vapor...I returned it. My experience using the iPV 4 has been much, much better...so I may need to go back on some statements I made about TC vaping in some previous posts :) I also have a couple of Waidea VF clones that I need to try out in TC mode, we'll see how they do compared to the iPV 4...
I suspect you will have the same experience with the waidea as you did with the invader mini. The vape is very different on these DNA40-based chip mods compared to the yihi devices, at least thats how it seems to me. Generally need to set higher temp and wattage on 40's compared to the same temp and J's on the yihi (m-class in my case). This is most pronounced for me using prebuilt Ni coil heads (Kangers (which suck) and Aspire/VS (which dont suck)) but others may have a different view ;)
 

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Received mine today and quickly did the screen fix -- left the mirror but did a small rectangular polished area where the display is. Threw on my M class built 0.07 Lemo2 build/tank and VERY happy with this vape. Dont like that the current temp is not displayed but the extra battery and not being too big of a unit is a huge plus. Very happy with my purchase.

Toughest decision I will need to make each morning is do I take the M or IPV4. LOL.

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Edit: Yes, I know picture has STM with Kanger Ni200 OCC coil (0.11) but switched right over to my Lemo2 which was a much better vape.
 

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Received mine today and quickly did the screen fix -- left the mirror but did a small rectangular polished area where the display is. Threw on my M class built 0.07 Lemo2 build/tank and VERY happy with this vape. Dont like that the current temp is not displayed but the extra battery and not being too big of a unit is a huge plus. Very happy with my purchase.

Great stuff! Would you mind detailing how you did the screen? Sandpaper? Dremel polishing wheel? I still haven't done mine. I have 1000 grit sandpaper but not anything finer, yet. Keep meaning to get more but haven't got around to it yet.

EDIT: Just bought a 6-pack on eBay, 2 sheets each of 2000, 2500 and 3000 grit.
 
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