Is the 510 REALLY the be all end all of e-cigs?!?

[LowThudd]

Having started w/ a xhaleo2, moved onto a 510 auto and PT, then eGo and have added to my collection the SmokeStik RN4081 and a KR8 mega, I really don't understand WHY everyone suggests to new members that the 510 is the best. It clearly(to me anyway) is not. I am assuming that people who recomend the 510 haven't tried other e-cigs, but that isn't so. I see people who use eGos and mods recomending the (feeble) 510. In it's auto form it is lousy due to it's microphone activation switch, only worse was my xhaleo2 from 7-11. In it's manual form, it's 'OK', but certainly not the best. About equal to a DSE901 in terms of voltage(3.2v), accessory availability and fog maker ability. Nothing THAT special. I am afraid that people new to e-cigs may try a 510 on the advice of someone on here, and decide after hearing things like "It is the standard when it comes to e-cigs", that they will decide that there is no e-cig that works well enough for them. I loved my 510, in comparison to the xhaleo2. But within a week ordered an eGo first chance I got. And the 510 was left aside for backup(which it served well as when an eGo batt died). But, after trying SmokeStik autos(the closest PV to a real cig I've tried) and a KR8, I just cannot for the life of me figure out what is so special about the little 510. At about the same size, the KR8 has higher voltage, higher mAh, generally the same or lower price, and a vacuum activated auto switch which works rather well. Granted, the SS kits are not cheap so I do understand why not many have tried them, but they are the best cig replacement PV there is IMHO. I DO understand that everyone has their own likes and dislikes about their particular PV. I just cannot understand why the 510 is reguarded as "the best e-cig for newbs". Please elaborate any response as to why it is better, and also take part in the poll. I really would like the facts. TY

 

[pedromj]

From the beginning I used a Tornado (=eGo) and a 510 PT. They kept me far from burning cigarettes so I think something like this may be good for a newbie.

 

[potholerepairman]

Imo,I picked ego for the reason that the 510 is only good for most people for a very short time.The mega 510 battieries could be adequate for a while but I like to recommend a little above adequate.The extra cost with switching to the ego from the standard 510 after a short period and the mental reminder that you have two styles and one is not being used and in a box somewhere helped me make this choice.The ego has the added joy of standing up on its tip so losing it is harder to do than the 510, this seems minor to most but I find its helpful when you bring your pv out and about for the night.I couldn't pick mod for a beginner as it would make the transition a lot harder and advice would be extremely limited to that mod.So in too many words ,for new vapor I find the ego the new 510 and only cause my knowledge only goes 510-ego-mod.

 

[Automaton]

There is no answer to this question.

I started with the Kr808. I loved it. I still do.

I have a 510. It's ok. Nothing earth-shattering. It wasn't until I tried the R3 510 CE2's that my 510 stuff started getting some real use. Now I have an eGo auto batt, and my manual 510 doesn't get used for anything other than dripping (which I rarely do).

I like the 901 better than the 510, and the 306 better than either.

All of these models are quality products. But the 510 really doesn't stand out to me as anything spectacular.

My father, I have recently found, doesn't like either the 510 or the Kr808 - but LOVES the 306. It's the only thing he likes enough that he may be able to quit with it. But that isn't even on your list.

Your average newbie could have a reasonable amount of success in quitting with any of the options you list. Because all of them are quality products.

But there will always be outliers, like my dad, who need to find *exactly* the right thing in order for vaping to work for them, and nothing else will do.

There is no "best." Thus, I didn't vote.

 

[xg4bx]

I started with a 510 and got an 808 yesterday...I wish I had started with an 808, it's so freakin easy to use a monkey could get it vaping. Almost 2 months in and I still can't fill a 510 cartridge well, I know I'm not stupid so I don't know what the deal is. Every method I try I get a mouth full of juice. Conversely I condom filled a cartomizer perfectly in 10 seconds.

In terms of price my 808 with mega batteries cost me $30, my 510 cost me $50.

 

[Automaton]

I started with a 510 and got an 808 yesterday...I wish I had started with an 808, it's so freakin easy to use a monkey could get it vaping. Almost 2 months in and I still can't fill a 510 cartridge well, I know I'm not stupid so I don't know what the deal is. Every method I try I get a mouth full of juice. Conversely I condom filled a cartomizer perfectly in 10 seconds.

In terms of price my 808 with mega batteries cost me $30, my 510 cost me $50.

I know what you mean. For me, the 510 atties have been the most fiddly and sensitive I've tried. Not everyone has the same experience. But I've had no trouble with the 901, 306, or 801 atomizers. But me and 510's? We just don't see eye-to-eye.

When they work, they're nice. But they just don't seem to like me.

 

[kaderick]

I started with an Npro from the pilot, never bought refilles because I was like this is a pain in the but and I feel like I am sucking my brains out. Months later my mom bought a smoke 51 and raved about it, so she bought me one. I used it for 2 weeks lots lost an atty, then another or so I thought. I then bought an Ego and am thrilled! I was dripping on the smoke 51 and it was ok that way but after playing with a few things and having an 808 battery piffed to me and a couple cartos I soon piffed it on. The vape of the 808 was nice but the battery wasn't going to cut it for me. I have to have at least 8 hours of battery 12 would be best as I am on the go alot. As many who vape know you can end up with a bag of stuff to get threw the day in a hurry, with the ego my bag is buy choice not a must. I can leave the house with one battery a carto and 3mls of juice and not be to nervous about running out. The worste case for any newbie in my opinion is failure do to equipment, When I was on my to she family and my smoke 51 died my first reaction was I have to buy some anologs! 2 weeks smoke free I wipped into a gas station checked to see if they sold an e-cig and bought a pack and lighter. I chocked one down and prayed for a vaper to answer my plea for help! I bought my ego that night and have been anologe free 2 months now. Thank you Joe @ www.ivape.net - Personal Vaporizers, Electronic Cigarettes, E-Cigarettes, and Accessories for answering my plea! In my own opinion I think the ego is the way to go and like the 510 in gereral because it is the easiest to find supplies for! Alot of the vapers use or have used 510's and have extra atty's and carto's laying around. This got really long really quick so I quit now.

 

[Shan B]

I started out with the E9 (not even sure what that is? a 901? still clueless) I love the lil bugger for an auto. And now I've upgraded to a 510, just because I like the look of the eGo and the 650mah standard battery. When I do get my next kit (which will prob be around Christmas) I'll prob wind up with a 306 for testing and then some sort of 6V mod.

I think the reason people choose (for me atleast) the 510 is because it gets more spotlight than any other atty out there. I've gone from smoking 3 weeks ago, to not looking back. Vaping is my new found love (hobby idk). I went with the 510 because that is all I read about throughout my noob days here at ECF.

My reasons for the eGo:
Battery Life
Manual
Good Vapor (but not as good as my E9)

If I were to suggest any noob to follow anyone's personal advice it would prob be to listen and watch Nomad's vids. The girl knows what's up, esp when it comes to cost efficiency with quality.

 

[pianoguy]

I doubt if I would've been successful with a 510, or any 3-piece. I started out on the KR8 and chose it for its simplicity, and it has been my mainstay. I tried a 901 and a 510, and would not put up with the fussiness and mess, and had no interest in dripping all day. However, I got a REO Mini last week, and that has opened up a whole new hassle-free world with atties - I am really digging it. But it took a juice feeder to get me to use a 510 as an all-day device.

 

[pedromj]

Many people is more comfortable with 2 piece models (with cartomizers). They are a good device for newbies but I think that as soon as we get experience we need/want more control over our devices.

 

[Doberz]

Joye 510 hands down. Yes, the Ego/Riva's have more power and are more sturdy. But they do not feel anything like an analog in your hands, and that can be a big downside for a newbie. I quit for 4 months off the Joye, then got an ego battery and within a week was on analogs again... I'm back to only vaping again and I use my ego a lot. But I still use my 510 batteries when I want to feel like I'm holding an analog.

 

[LowThudd]

Joye 510 hands down. Yes, the Ego/Riva's have more power and are more sturdy. But they do not feel anything like an analog in your hands, and that can be a big downside for a newbie. I quit for 4 months off the Joye, then got an ego battery and within a week was on analogs again... I'm back to only vaping again and I use my ego a lot. But I still use my 510 batteries when I want to feel like I'm holding an analog.

Have you tried any other minis or super minis? Perhaps that is why you are sold on the 510 if you have not.

 

[Pav]

Almost 2 months in and I still can't fill a 510 cartridge well,

This is a big difference when talking about 510 vs KR8. It's really more an argument of cartomizer vs cartridge. However since there are now cartomizers for the 510 as well I would say it's a closer match.

 

[Pav]

Now I have an eGo auto batt,

Really? Where'd you get that?

How is it with the sound activation now that you've had it a few days?

 

[markfm]

I love my KR808D-1s. 3.7V 808s work nicely for me, with a 4.7V PT in the car and office. My new G400 stays 2-piece, still can use normal 808 cartos, but gives 900 mAh.

If I really wanted a 3 piece, I could add a 901 atty to my 808s, but I haven't been faintly tempted.

 

[cozzicon]

I voted 510. But really the poll should have been different.

Battery life and voltages are all nice. But really it comes down to what is being used to atomize the liquid, when all things are equal.

By that standard the vote should be on atomizer/cartomizer type. Because between a 901, 510, 801, kr8, or thread compatible cartomizer on one of those systems- they can all get people off the analogs.

 

[Liv2Ski]

I know what you mean. For me, the 510 atties have been the most fiddly and sensitive I've tried. Not everyone has the same experience. But I've had no trouble with the 901, 306, or 801 atomizers. But me and 510's? We just don't see eye-to-eye.

When they work, they're nice. But they just don't seem to like me.

Mistress - I have found a LR 306 on my eGo to be an awesome combination. 650 or 900mah batts drive the LR for a few hours and the vapor production is far better than a standard 510 atty and about 10% better than a LR510. IMO - this eGO/LR306 rig only really shines in the drip configuration

 

[Mr.Self_Destruct]

I voted 510. 510 is a great atty. I haven't tried a KR8, but I have tried KR8 cartos and thought they were awful. I know there are good ones out there, but it's hard to explain to a n00b. Also prefilled cartos are horrid and that's what a n00b, would end up getting. The Joye 510 produces great vapor and is a great start. I started with blu and progressed to a Joye 510. Then came the ego and lr atty's. Then came adapters and use of 901's and lr 901s. I now have a hello 016, bartleby and a BB from Altsmoke. I use 801 attys and lr 801 attys as well.

I personally prefer a slb lr 901 over all attys. Hard to get a n00b to learn how to use a lr atty when they are completely new to ecigs. I'm not a fan of 510 cartos either, but have not tried the CE2 cartos.

 

[RedForeman]

I wouldn't say there's any "be all end all" as there's lots of options depending on what you think you're going to need. "Think" being the operative word. Most everyone gets there hands on -something- and then shops their upgrades/mods to have the features they figure out are missing with the original one. I don't see that changing much. It's a decision you can't really make until you've started vaping and figure out your likes and dislikes first-hand. A true chicken and the egg problem for sure.

There's enough opinion and information on this site alone for someone patient enough to sift through it. People that aren't patient enough are likely to make some bad choices since you can't exactly buy these things at Walmart yet and choose one from an assortment on display. A few smoke shops will carry them, but that's limited until something happens to reduce the short term risk of retailers investing in something that might get banned or restricted.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface with all the e-juice options.

My criteria was 1) widely available and 2) long battery life. I ended up buying an eGo and have been pretty happy with it. Since my experience is limited to my eGo with the addition of mega-cartos and a stainless super-T drip tip, I can't really say that was even the best for me - I simply haven't tried anything else to be sure.

Others need something that is as physically close to an analog, and still others are constrained by budget. So there's technically a different "best" for many possible use-cases.

 

[LowThudd]

I wouldn't say there's any "be all end all" as there's lots of options depending on what you think you're going to need. "Think" being the operative word. Most everyone gets there hands on -something- and then shops their upgrades/mods to have the features they figure out are missing with the original one. I don't see that changing much. It's a decision you can't really make until you've started vaping and figure out your likes and dislikes first-hand. A true chicken and the egg problem for sure.

There's enough opinion and information on this site alone for someone patient enough to sift through it. People that aren't patient enough are likely to make some bad choices since you can't exactly buy these things at Walmart yet and choose one from an assortment on display. A few smoke shops will carry them, but that's limited until something happens to reduce the short term risk of retailers investing in something that might get banned or restricted.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface with all the e-juice options.

My criteria was 1) widely available and 2) long battery life. I ended up buying an eGo and have been pretty happy with it. Since my experience is limited to my eGo with the addition of mega-cartos and a stainless super-T drip tip, I can't really say that was even the best for me - I simply haven't tried anything else to be sure.

Others need something that is as physically close to an analog, and still others are constrained by budget. So there's technically a different "best" for many possible use-cases.

Well put. And my point exactly. I guess what I would like is for the "510 is the best" crowd to not tout it to be more than it is. A simple mini e-cig.