I received a rather rude email response after I placed my first order, so I went back and read "all" the vendor's posts.....and, it all make perfect sense
I tend to agree with the majority;something smells.....
Is this intimidation or a good thing? I can't decide........
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I tend to agree with the majority;something smells.....
What I don't understand is that diacetyl prompted all of this, and yet, they're still offering diacetyl-containing juices?
But, it's a start. After this entire thing, I think it's safe to say there is no love lost between some of us who were furiously battling those that thought they could make diacetyl safe if it was just vaped in low enough amounts - but this is still a start, and a positive move towards the right direction.
The devil will be, as always, in the details. I say give 'em a chance to do it right and worry about it down the road if that doesn't happen. (I also say, vape carefully right NOW - but that's just me.)
But, it's a start. After this entire thing, I think it's safe to say there is no love lost between some of us who were furiously battling those that thought they could make diacetyl safe if it was just vaped in low enough amounts - but this is still a start, and a positive move towards the right direction.
The devil will be, as always, in the details. I say give 'em a chance to do it right and worry about it down the road if that doesn't happen. (I also say, vape carefully right NOW - but that's just me.)
Did I misread?
All in all I'm not going to try to ascribe any sinister motive to it and will be leaving the tin-foil hat wearing to others. If they want to spend the money having their juice and if offered the juice of others to be tested then more power to them. If/when the FDA decides to get involved with vaping you will know.
Reality check: are all you guys wearing your tin-foil hats? If not, put them back on and progressive self-regulation might not seem so evil and conspiratorial. WE should be grateful that SOMEBODY is stepping up to the plate. Yes, the results from a chemical content analysis won't necessarily correlate to the long-term effect of vaping said chemical contents but it's a start!
Want independent testing? Stop whining about one vendor's efforts and put your money where where your mouth is; commission your own studies. Oh, wait, it's easier to vilify another's efforts than expend your own time, energy, and cash.
Most of this dialog in these "hater threads" is laughable at best and pathetic on the basic level.
This observation is not targeting any specific individual, just the general paranoia and vendor-bashing that's permeating the ECF.
Want independent testing? Stop whining about one vendor's efforts and put your money where where your mouth is; commission your own studies. Oh, wait, it's easier to vilify another's efforts than expend your own time, energy, and cash.
Most of this dialog in these "hater threads" is laughable at best and pathetic on the basic level.
This observation is not targeting any specific individual, just the general paranoia and vendor-bashing that's permeating the ECF.
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I really don't think it's anyones intent to whine here, certainly not mine.
I question why they wouldn't want to test their products and their suppliers to prove they have gone above and beyond. This would speak volumes over stating they are going to test every other fluid out there, would it not?
I question why they wouldn't want to test their products and their suppliers to prove they have gone above and beyond. This would speak volumes over stating they are going to test every other fluid out there, would it not?
I'm not talking about long term effects I am only speaking about testing what goes into our lungs not what is in the bottles because in the end that is the issue. I hope you don't think I'm hating on a vendor just because I suggest testing on the end product and not the beginning product that has no value in analysis. In reality most of us cannot afford the testing and just want the one's who can to test what is the actual issue and not something that can be said is safe because it was in liquid form that is not intended for inhalation. I, like others, have donated to the independent testing in this field and would put up my own money if I could but the reality is that someone is putting up the money to test and I only want confirmation that they are testing the proper substance. There is no point in testing something if you don't test it for it's intended use, therefore it is a waste of money if they are in fact testing merely the liquid. That is my whole point.
really? I dont think anyone's intent was whining, bashing or making a hater thread..... PIF is not like most places on ecf. Just people discussing what is going on in the world of vaping and ecf. Pathetic and basic? just finding your post really rude......
Yes someone is stepping up and that can be a good thing for the industry overall. If you really want to see where the skepticism is coming from, then read all of the threads...starting in David's subforum. Add in the history from a month ago and you get the picture.
Well I figure it this way. It might be bad and it might not but I know 100% that smoking is because it has already killed some family members of mine. I don't use buttery flavored liquids and the vendors I use I'll continue to use. There are far worse things everyone thats worried about it does than this and they keep doing it.
Look around, this particular PIF thread is exactly like the rest of the vendor bashing (which I personally find far more rude than any of my observations above) going on throughout the community.
Facts are facts; these paranoid accusations of secret agendas are consistent with the rest of the lynch-mob mentality all over the boards lately.
Sorry if the truth hurts or if you or anyone else perceives it as rude.
I think it's more vendor accountability that we're seeing. Having a vendor forum doesn't equal impunity from scrutiny, yet you have people who are afraid to "out" a bad experience lest they lose the friendly relationship they've grown to expect on the boards, or outright get bashed.
Frankly, I think if a vendor can't take a healthy dose of skepticism or the occasional posting of negative experiences, they shouldn't have a forum. It's not a bully pulpit, yk?
Frankly, I think if a vendor can't take a healthy dose of skepticism or the occasional posting of negative experiences, they shouldn't have a forum. It's not a bully pulpit, yk?
The last line of your post is quite funny scott. You aren't sorry for anything. Your remarks in your threads are meant to instigate. You say that this is just like the rest of the threads and you are right but not from the rest of us. We were all having a conversation and nobody has been slamming anyone else just putting our views out there. But since you decided to come in and instigate you made this thread just like the rest of them out there. Sorry doesn't discount what you say, it would be like me telling someone "no offense but you're an idiot" just by saying no offense doesn't change the context of the sentence it just rationalizes and justifies for the person making the comment.
I disagree. No one WAS name calling or being sarcastic here. There was no lynch mob. There were people on both sides of the fence discussing the situation.
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maybe this is a dumb question but, if there is diacetyl (sp?) in food flavorings, and we can smell food that uses flavorings, then arent we inhaling diacetyl everytime we smell food or drinks??????
I see your point sooper but gases expand to fill as much of an area as possible which means the amount produced from cooking in a kitchen is exponentially smaller after dissipation than taking a substance into your mouth and then directly into your lungs.
This only happens when the food is cooked and the diacetyl becomes a gas
This only happens when the food is cooked and the diacetyl becomes a gas
i understand that part of it, but what about when you put your nose close and take a big smell? what about when you hold a soda up to your mouth and you breathe in before taking a drink? it seems to me that we have all been breathing some amout of diacetyl our entire lives....
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