Is this intimidation or a good thing? I can't decide........

[chr1s234]

well a soda would be a non-issue since nothing is vaporized and there would be no threat from non-vaporized diacetyl or any other chemical that is harmful when in vapor form. But the studies have shown that when cooking on a hot surface foods containing those chemicals do release the vaporized form but to get any kind of concentration you would have to put a towel over your head and "trap" the vaporized chemicals. The steam that comes off of food is not necessarily where the chemical is because different chemicals have different weights. One thing you can be sure of though is whether they rise or fal they expand out. So it's very hard to trap those chemicals and breath them in in concentrated amounts

 

[Poeia]

I think information is a good thing. It would be great if the liquids were treated like food products with ingredients listed. Then people could make informed decisions as to what they want to inhale. (What wouldn't be good is if it were used simply to further someone's agenda.)

The nutritional supplement industry has almost no supervision. If I were to start a company, as long as I passed health inspections for cleanliness, I could put almost anything in the product. Tests repeatedly show that products labeled "contains X mg of Blahblah" can have anything from only a trace of Blahblah to 10 times the amount on the label.

It would be great if e-liquid had more credibility than that.

 

[TJVapes]

After having done a bit of reading I found posts where juice had been tested in the past and found that a reputable vendors juice was about 10 mg off in nic content. Due to the testing that was done that vendor was able to rectify the situation. It was thought that the vendor was being ripped by their supplier. That's just 1 good example of why testing is a good thing. Don't you want to know if your 36 mg juice is really only 26?! Industry standards are a good thing. He offered to foot the bill to let other vendors have their juice tested; I don't see the ill intent in that.

 

[REDDOG1]

hehehe, i remeber when they said Micky D's hambergers had ground up worms in them, source was wendy's lol

 

[TJVapes]

Here are a few toxicology reports from 2008
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing/2716-e-liquid-lab-toxicology-reports.html

 

[Xanax]

The more I read from this vendor, the more I want to stay away from them.

Word. Me too.

 

[Xanax]

I think information is a good thing. It would be great if the liquids were treated like food products with ingredients listed. Then people could make informed decisions as to what they want to inhale. (What wouldn't be good is if it were used simply to further someone's agenda.)

It would be great if e-liquid had more credibility than that.

Vaporrenu does this already.

 

[Viktro D'Vaping]

What I'm seriously questioning is why they would appoint someone who's only been vaping 3-4 mos. to this position. I don't know what the background is, and her blog entries are there to read for all. There would have to be in all seriousness more credibility that I'm not seeing.

I am not trying to be mean here, but I really questioned their decision on this appointment and then the motives behind it? If anyone has more information, please let us know, Thanks!

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[Viktro D'Vaping]

I have the same thoughts on this Vchick, but I'm sure she will fill us in soon enough and with far more info than is necessary.

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[Viktro D'Vaping]

No matter what side of the diacetyl issue you are on, seems to me he ought to start looking at his own products before he looks at others. Oh, wait. His stuff is diacetyl free. Oh no wait. It has some in it after all but it's not harmful...it's just a witch hunt.

I'm willing to put out some bucks on which side this analysis is going to come down on.
Anyone is free to disagree with me. Just don't yell.

I'm willing to put out some bucks with you on this one Neo. and I am yelling... ssshhhh, just don't tell...

 

[Viktro D'Vaping]

really? I dont think anyone's intent was whining, bashing or making a hater thread..... PIF is not like most places on ecf. Just people discussing what is going on in the world of vaping and ecf. Pathetic and basic? just finding your post really rude......

Yeah, don't ya be messing with The Sensational Sensay!!! She is always right...

 

[Viktro D'Vaping]

I tend to agree with the majority;something smells.....

Now I know that Everybody Else knows that Grama's are always right. It's the mix of experience, wisdom and the grey hair to prove it!

 

[Viktro D'Vaping]

The more I read from this vendor, the more I want to stay away from them.

I am sooo glad I found this thread!!! I Will Never Buy From This Vendor Again Ever!!!

This is truly the most bizarre and insane thing that I have ever ran across on this entire forum!!!

So much for Non-Bias, Science, Chemistry, and Most of All, Good Public Relations...

 

[Scottitude]

The last line of your post is quite funny scott. You aren't sorry for anything. Your remarks in your threads are meant to instigate. You say that this is just like the rest of the threads and you are right but not from the rest of us. We were all having a conversation and nobody has been slamming anyone else just putting our views out there. But since you decided to come in and instigate you made this thread just like the rest of them out there. Sorry doesn't discount what you say, it would be like me telling someone "no offense but you're an idiot" just by saying no offense doesn't change the context of the sentence it just rationalizes and justifies for the person making the comment.

Yet you castigate me personally chr1s when in posts #17 and post #24 you too say "sorry but..."

I'd make a "glass houses" or a "pot-kettle"reference but once again stating my opinion, to which I am entitled, would be misconstrued as instigating.

After re-reading them, perhaps I did misinterpret the tone of some of the earlier dialog in this thread; an honest mistake and one that anyone could make. I think I just had a here-we-go-again reaction and saw it as another one of the many number of threads re-hashing contempt for a vendor that I feel is being bullied.

I'm not a fan-boy; reviewing my posts elsewhere should make it pretty clear what my favorite juice is and where I get it, it just seems like there's a common hostility against the vendor in question and it felt like t was creeping into the PIF board, too.

My bad.

 

[RedDeath5]

personally, i'm not so sure i really wanna know what's in my vape. not that it would matter, as i spent over a third of my life knowingly and willingly inhaling known carcinogens and toxic chemicals wrapped in paper without protest...what's the difference except vaping smells and tastes better?

 

[Cyia]

After reading most the posts I had noticed the post about the .000009 something or other amount per intake of this chemical but my more worries about all that is over how long of a period will it start to effect us who are unknowingly inhaling it.

As far as the FSUSA thing has to go, my only issue on the matter is this: He's throwing out to the public he's spending 30,000 bucks on this testing(which is chump change compared to gov labs) to seem like he's trying to make his company better, but will he honestly tell the populace all his findings?

I hate to be the don't trust a businessman type but seriously, man is killing man out here, and all for a profit. We've seen vendors come and go in this vaping world of ours. And what trust can we really put into these strangers? In my opinion, if I can't see it happening, I don't believe it.(I'm a true show me state girl lol)

What say he does actually tell the populace that he did find this chemical? Would we know the difference if he took it out or left it there for profit reasons? I mean in 10+ years when the loyal customers of FSUSA turn up with lung damage I'm sure they can go knocking at his door then. But what accreditation do we have for these people or in fact any of them that would make this situation better?

There is just too much up in the air. And I mean all this can apply to pretty much anything. Who knows what the cook did to your food at McD's? I guess the point I'm trying to convey is that there really isn't much to debate. There isn't much anyone can do. We put faith in a broken system, and I love living by the old saying, if you want something done right, do it your self. More ways to DIY and grab your self a good friend in the lab dept.

 

[Scottitude]

My thoughts exactly RedDeath; I don't get the sudden concern 20-40 year smokers have about one specific chemical when they never gave another thought to 4,000+ they'd been inhaling for decades.

 

[Viktro D'Vaping]

After reading most the posts I had noticed the post about the .000009 something or other amount per intake of this chemical but my more worries about all that is over how long of a period will it start to effect us who are unknowingly inhaling it.

As far as the FSUSA thing has to go, my only issue on the matter is this: He's throwing out to the public he's spending 30,000 bucks on this testing(which is chump change compared to gov labs) to seem like he's trying to make his company better, but will he honestly tell the populace all his findings?

I hate to be the don't trust a businessman type but seriously, man is killing man out here, and all for a profit. We've seen vendors come and go in this vaping world of ours. And what trust can we really put into these strangers? In my opinion, if I can't see it happening, I don't believe it.(I'm a true show me state girl lol)

What say he does actually tell the populace that he did find this chemical? Would we know the difference if he took it out or left it there for profit reasons? I mean in 10+ years when the loyal customers of FSUSA turn up with lung damage I'm sure they can go knocking at his door then. But what accreditation do we have for these people or in fact any of them that would make this situation better?

There is just too much up in the air. And I mean all this can apply to pretty much anything. Who knows what the cook did to your food at McD's? I guess the point I'm trying to convey is that there really isn't much to debate. There isn't much anyone can do. We put faith in a broken system, and I love living by the old saying, if you want something done right, do it your self. More ways to DIY and grab your self a good friend in the lab dept.

Cyia is absolutely right you know!!!

I for one, did not want to simply give up one poison for another that could even be worse!!!

But hey, that's just my own, non-suicidal, less suffering, less damage and less disease point of view.

 

[emilysunshine]

I am not defending this vendor; I have never even tried any of his juice. He is not testing other vendor's juices. He is testing the FLAVORINGS they use.

 

[AngusATAT]

I am not defending this vendor; I have never even tried any of his juice. He is not testing other vendor's juices. He is testing the FLAVORINGS they use.

That's my understanding of it, as well. He has also offered to test other vendor's e-juice for free if they ask him to.

Seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do in my opinion. The flavorings are the one thing put into e-liquid that are the big mystery as far as their ingredients are concerned. Those are what need to be tested, as the rest is known. This way all of those concerned about Diacetyl and other ingredients can know exactly what is being used in the flavorings of their favorite juice.