and the topic of flavored alcohol... geeze.. if I had the choices back then... I would have spent all my money on Vodkas instead of ciggies... 
is vaping really an "epidemic" among teens?
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any chance you know where exactly in those resources one might find that data? both appear to be absolutely overwhelming amounts of data and while i do have a good amount of free time, i don't think i have enough to sift through those to find what i'm after lol
And Zima.[emoji16]and the topic of flavored alcohol... geeze.. if I had the choices back then... I would have spent all my money on Vodkas instead of ciggies...
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It really doesn't matter the fact that the epidemic doesn't exist, as a lot of parents are easy to scare with makebelief/propaganda that revolves around fake evidence. Blood money is all that counts, as it's just another piece of cake for health organizations, research agencies, yellow journalism, politics/rulemakers, etc. to let themselves be bought by Big Tobacco and Big Pharma (yes, Big Pharma, think about all the lost revenue streams that would result from more cigarette smokers starting to live healthier lives switching from smoking cigarettes to vaping).
Nicotine administered by itself is not an addicting substance, or barely more addicting than caffeine. Combustible tobacco found in normal cigarettes contains a total of 599 different chemical substances, and, normal cigarette smoke contains 7,000 chemical substances. Manufacturers of combustible tobacco products cannot be forced by law to make known to public what's in these normal cigarettes besides chopped up tobacco leaf, as keeping the recipe secret is what makes it possible for every product to be unique and different from the competition so they need that secrecy to protect themselves against copycats. But there is enough evidence out there to support that numerous additives are being used for the sole purpose of making cigarettes even more addicting. Alkaloids and various other substances like MAOIs (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors) that could have the potential to, if used in conjunction with nicotine, boost addiction levels to worrying heights are simply not present in commercial e-juices. Also, the speed at which nicotine enters the human bodily system through vaping is orders of magnitude slower compared to smoking a normal cigarette, as the absorption of nicotine from vapor inhalation mostly occurs in the soft tissue of the mouth and throat instead of deep inside the lungs.
Ah yes, the good old days.not to go off topic but... when I was a teenager the epidemic we had to worry about was mononucleosis....
No, it is not true. Vaping is a fad among some factions of the "youth" subculture.
Some youngsters vape for the same reason some of us older folks started smoking;
They think vaping will make them seem "cool" in the eyes of their peers.
I agree with your impression. If the argument that candy flavors and some label designs attract children
was valid then is it not hypocrisy to allow the marketing and sale of candy flavor vodka?
In fact no legislator gives a darn about the children.
They care about the revenue they'll collect in SIN TAXES and they'll inconvenience vendors and users
but nobody is going to shut down the candy store as long as they can tax it.
"On June 8, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released is yearly report on tobacco use and vaping among teens. The new statistics show that roughly 11 percent of middle and high school students have engaged in vaping or tobacco use at least once within the previous 30-days. This figure remains relatively unchanged from the 2016 data, which identified a 5 percent drop from the 16 percent figure from 2015."
CDC says teen vaping is down; mainstream media blames ‘juuling’ error
Just more evidence of the sold out alphabet sock-puppet bureaucrats (and media!) cherry picking their statistics to suit their own purposes.
No JUULS aren't doing harm (we own 97% vaping) --->oh yes they are, it wasn't me, it's them damn flavors.
Good luck.
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I'm a bit dubious on all these studies. The numbers don't "feel" right.
They're correct that keeping nic away from developing brains is a good idea...the later you start, the easier it is to quit. But no, 11% is not an "epidemic"...and it's lower than historic tobacco-use trends.
The nic-haters just didn't get to their desired 0%, and they're pouting.
The problem we have with vaping is that we don't know the long-term impact yet. So optimists that we nic users are, we like to pretend it isn't dangerous...and the kids think that too. That may be incorrect.
The good news is that, assuming BT doesn't get it's mystery-juice into the mainstream too much, it should be much less addictive than cigs. I don't want to go anywhere near BT juice. Not without full disclosure. And if I knew teens that were vaping, I'd get them to use non-BT products.
They're correct that keeping nic away from developing brains is a good idea...the later you start, the easier it is to quit. But no, 11% is not an "epidemic"...and it's lower than historic tobacco-use trends.
The nic-haters just didn't get to their desired 0%, and they're pouting.
The problem we have with vaping is that we don't know the long-term impact yet. So optimists that we nic users are, we like to pretend it isn't dangerous...and the kids think that too. That may be incorrect.
The good news is that, assuming BT doesn't get it's mystery-juice into the mainstream too much, it should be much less addictive than cigs. I don't want to go anywhere near BT juice. Not without full disclosure. And if I knew teens that were vaping, I'd get them to use non-BT products.
What's apparently and significantly absent from these surveys I believe is a fundamental question — is there any nicotine in what's vaped (of the last 30 days)? Don't recall seeing it considered or even discussed here.
Don't deal with minors at all but in the 21-30 age bracket I routinely encounter in testing and promoting rebuilding I'm constantly assured most youth are vaping no-nic and it's highly preferred over the ever popular hookaa because of it. There seems to be a disconnect between the science and the common wisdom.
Good luck.
Don't deal with minors at all but in the 21-30 age bracket I routinely encounter in testing and promoting rebuilding I'm constantly assured most youth are vaping no-nic and it's highly preferred over the ever popular hookaa because of it. There seems to be a disconnect between the science and the common wisdom.
Good luck.
Nic in it's pure form has benefits which I won't be listing here. I feel like kids should be able to buy juice with no nic in it. Giving them this opportunity makes it very likely that most of them will have tried vaping by the time they reach 18, and many of them will quit after some time as there will be no physical addiction due to the absence of nic. Kids tend to get bored really fast. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want my kid to be vaping at all mostly because I wouldn't like the looks of it, but should he/she wanted to vape, it would be no big deal for me with 0mg/ml.
Example : Ioannis Kapodistrias (Governor of the First Hellenic Republic ) once brought a new food into greece, potatoes. There was a mountain of them on the harbor. Anyone could go there and get whatever amount he wanted. Well, not one Greek person touched the potatoes. They wouldn't care. Then Ioannis ( since he had deeply understood the way a human's mind works), hired guards to guard the potatoes. All the potatoes were gone within 2 days. No joke. Google it for more info. It's the same thing with vaping and kids who aren't allowed to get what they want.
Example : Ioannis Kapodistrias (Governor of the First Hellenic Republic ) once brought a new food into greece, potatoes. There was a mountain of them on the harbor. Anyone could go there and get whatever amount he wanted. Well, not one Greek person touched the potatoes. They wouldn't care. Then Ioannis ( since he had deeply understood the way a human's mind works), hired guards to guard the potatoes. All the potatoes were gone within 2 days. No joke. Google it for more info. It's the same thing with vaping and kids who aren't allowed to get what they want.
Meh, I didn't start smoking until a few days after I turned 18, but before I "found" vaping, I was convinced I would die with a lit cigarette in my hand, and even now, the thought of giving up nicotine is basically inconceivable.
But doesn't the fact potatoes were gone within 2 days also prove that potatoes are more addicting than nicotine? Just trying to further illustrate my point about the scientific value of arguments used by those who go as far as to describe vaping among teens as "epidemic".
I think some of us are "more wired" to respond to nic than others.
That said, had you waited until...say 25...it might have been easier. So "they" say.
Almost nobody waits until age 25 though...
Potatoes have nicotine. Ban all potatoes!!! The youth will be binging on taters, just wait, you'll see..
I worked for a vape shop in the year 2014. On our first day of employment, we were told that if we sold to a minor we would be terminated on the spot. We had to check every customer's age verification before a purchase if they did not look like they were at least 30.
We were also told that the FDA could set up scams to catch our employees selling to a minor. This kept us always on our toes.
EVERY customer was "registered" with our store with their name and phone number. Every computerized sales receipt had name & phone number, items purchased, and the time/date of the purchase. A security camera synched to the registers recorded every purchase, again with time/date on the video.
We had a few parents who desired to purchase an ecig for their teenagers who were smokers and hoped that using an ecig will help them to quit. We couldn't sell them anything because we knew their intention was for the product to be used by a minor.
I watched one father and son in the store looking at gear. I watched the son pick out specifically what tank and mod that they intended to buy. I didn't know which one was going to eventually use the product, but based on what was observed our manager said we couldn't sell them anything because he didn't want to take the risk that the product would be used by the teenager.
The technology is here and it works. Laws are already in place. The above process undoubtedly would decrease the number of sales to minors. Any adult who purchased an ecig for a minor could be tracked down by a "boots on the ground" FDA agent by reviewing our sales records and videos.
Perhaps the FDA could restrict e-cig sales to those businesses who had the security features that we utilized.
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