istick pico and nautilus 2 S, options and alternatives?

[Katya]

OK, I don't quite know where to begin. First of all, I'm not really a fertigcoil user anymore, so my experience is limited to GS eleaf, EGo One, nautilus and Zenith. They are all fine albeit a little different in the type of vape they deliver. The term "subohm" is a bit of a misnomer nowadays, anyway, so I suggest you reread this post to define your vaping preference.

MTL = mouth to lung, or sometimes mouth-to-nose. It’s a descriptor of the method of inhalation. MTL tanks have low vapor production, use high concentration nic, and have narrow air flows requiring a lot of suction to draw. The smoke is drawn in using suction created in the mouth which is then either drawn into the lungs, expelled through the nose, or both.

DL = direct lung. Sometimes called “weed style” vapor is breathed. Drawn directly into the lungs. DL attys are typified by a lot more vapor production, a lot more airflow, and use a lot more electricity because they need to produce a lot more vapor faster.

RDL = Restricted Direct Lung. This is sort of between MTL and DL. A tank that uses more electricity and produces more vapor. The draw is still tight but more vapor is produced. The draw method can be other DL or MTL style, but ohms are lower, airflow is generally looser, and more vapor is produced. Not a true DL atty though. It’s a bit beyond “loose MTL” which is what a lot of pod systems do.

The “looseness” or “tightness” refers to the amount of airflow and DL or MTL refers to the way vapor is drawn by the user. A tight enough draw makes a DL style draw impossible. Lungs can’t produce enough suction. It requires cheek muscles to provide enough power.
RDL sort of splits the difference.

If you're looking for a DL or restricted DL (lots of clouds, loose draw), all those new tanks can deliver. And most can handle high(er) VG eliquids, as far as I know. I would start with the Zenith or a Nauti--or one of each. They are very popular here and good performers. Can't tell you which Nautilus is best, as I only have one and don't use it anymore.

Pico is a fine and very popular mod. My problem with it is that that battery cap sometimes blocks the airflow intake holes on the bottom of the tank and I consider it a design flaw. But if you like it, and your tank aligns just so, you'll enjoy it.

I have no idea if the Aspire is wunderbar or not because I don't own it. I don't own a Cleito either. Sorry. And I vape high PG eilquids (60 or 70% PG), so there... Too much VG makes my lungs feel heavy after a while.

I scrolled down through your link to fertigcoil tanks and can't offer much insight. I would still recommend either a Zenith/Zlide or a Nautilus.

 

[Katya]

oh and we talked about the non-chinese stuff, and he showed me his tank that's 300euros or something.

I've never seen a tank this expensive, most are in the $150-250 range, but I've seen some very expensive mods.

4 Most Expensive Vape Mods To Date – VaperCity.com

 

[cats5365]

carsd on the table... I did sorta kinda take the pico... err... i could return it... right away if you;re going to crack a whip or something. just remember it was 22 Euro...

Both sellers were a bit non-versatile when it came to tanks. Even when I said one for subohming one for the heavy nic, still 2S-ed me in the face. One saying it's the size with pico issue.

KHowever, from the stuff I dragged and dropped from the website of the small shop, there's at least a couple of Vaporesso's that are 23-mm... Don't what else. If anyone has the time to scroll thru it here is the link for the ready coils tanks.
Fertigcoil

1) can i use any of these instead of the N2S for the highohm-highnic?
2) do any of these have wider gaps than N2S to make sure the higher VG subohming isn't problematic? [I'm going off of what the guy said when I objected to his claim that VG would be heavy by saying my Aspire K4 was wunderbar with 70 VG: he said Cleito is bigger/wider and can handle VG better_ again apologies for lack of terminology, would've picked it up from him, but keeping up with the german and the terminology is too much multitasking]
oh and we talked about the non-chinese stuff, and he showed me his tank that's 300euros or something.

I noticed that the web store you linked had a Nautilus X tank listed. I have and like this tank if run run the 1.8 ohm coil. I have used both high PG and high VG liquids in it with no problems. There can be a slight difference in the way the liquid tastes compared to other tanks. If you want something that doesn't leak and is short, the Nauti X has top air flow.

When it comes to talking to shops and other vapers, there can be folks with strong opinions about things, and if you don't agree with them, you are WRONG! (sarcasm here). Don't be afraid to spend a little bit of money trying things. Vape gear isn't free, but when you compare it to the cost of cigarettes, it isn't that bad. When you are really sure about what you like, then you can invest in the Dani or some other expensive mod to power your favorite tanks.

You sound like you really like the Pico 75, so I think you should go ahead an get it/keep it if you already have one. If you got the full kit with the Melo tank, give it a try as well. I found that if I take the time to get to know the hardware and how it works with my style of vaping, I can usually find something that works for me. I'm pretty much set on the things I like for now, but it did take me a while to learn where the sweet spot was for the different vape equipment and liquids. Someone else may think I'm all wrong, but then, I sometimes feel the same way about their choices.

 

[virm]

i'm kinda just using subohm as a synonym to R/DL... not using the latter with certainty as i;m not sure what i was doing with K4 really was DL. I only loosened or tightened the air depending on how dry/scratchy it made my throat feel.

don;t like anything at this point. and i tried to check out other things, in a what-would-you-get kindaway, the first re-handed the Augvape Druga Foxy I been testing juices on , and that weighs a lot, big, needs battery chargers... the other offered a more reasonalble but still biggrer and expensiver Uwell Nunchaku (not sure whoch model).

i got half a mind to go back to the discount place and see if they got that or other such tube types, to exchange pico. but if you think i've been annoying here, imagine how they feel.

anywayi'm tankless at the moment. I got the leaker old cleito of the K4, i wonder if that can fit, but no coils since i wanted to by something more decent.

i guess i'll search each item from the list, stupid site with no product details. I meant there's at least the two Vaporesso's and wondered if one thinks they or any of the rest there htat are 23-mm are good, whether as the RDL/DL tank of two tanks I'd end up with or i better than 2S as one for two coils, etc. ANother morning of bloody reviews ahead_ serious waste of time.

Thanks again chirren!

 

[Katya]

ANother morning of bloody reviews ahead_ serious waste of time.

While you search, why don't you order a 2 ml Zlide from Fasttech (yes, it's in China, but you can get it for $17.10 (-15% off with Halloween sale coupon code CANDY15). What do you care? Shipping is free. Grab a blister pack of 1.6 and 0.8 (or 0.5Ω) coils and give it a try. If you don't care for it, you will have learned a lesson.

$17.10 Authentic Innokin Zlide Tank Clearomizer - 2ml / 0.48/1.6ohm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

I totally agree with @cats5365 --vaping is very subjective. What works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. I have a "taste-is-subjective" box of vaping hardware and eliquids I bought because someone else recommended it.

It will take a while to learn what you really like and are comfortable with. It's a journey. We can only share our personal likes and dislikes, but you have to try and determine for yourself.

Again, good luck and happy vaping!

 

[Katya]

i guess i'll search each item from the list, stupid site with no product details. I meant there's at least the two Vaporesso's and wondered if one thinks they or any of the rest there htat are 23-mm are good, whether as the RDL/DL tank of two tanks I'd end up with or i better than 2S as one for two coils, etc.

One more tip. If you find a tank you think you might like, go to YouTube and watch some video reviews. I find them very helpful. Look for reviews by pbusardo, mike vapes, Todds reviews, DJLsb Vapes, Vaping with Vic, and GrimmGreen.

 

[virm]

Thanx Kat! Wonderfully helpful_ so clear too for a Guru_ nothing gnomic about your parables!

That's pretty much the stuff I've been watching, first hits and all... some German ones too, but it kind of feels like listening to German pop or French rap, poorly mimicking stuff that wasn't that good to begin with... my skin crawls seeing grown men being all wassup-wassup_ it crawls when my friends' kids act that way. DOing it though.

You know how after you check out something cool and luxurious you can't look at your good old practical stuff anymore? I feel that way after having held the Nunchaku 2: who cares about the size? and how bad really is a limp for the whole summer because I carry something large in my pant pocket? Don't care about the discount at the other place? I want to go get the whole Nunchaku 2 kit!

Only thing holding me back is that I got the Pico+Sony battery already and don't feel like going back to return it with my tail betweenn my legs_ and they were for 29 Euro!_ add say the N2S (being the most expensive scenario) that'll be like 60 Euro. The Nchaku 2 set without the battery would be probably 80-90... and I'm thinking wait a few months and the chaku2 would be cheaper, you'd have a small set up for travel etc. and the more serious when you're at ease.

From everybody's experience, would UWell get much cheaper after a while, or shall I chuck the whole mischievous plan and get one now (and get a Zlide for it for the high-salt MtL)?

You're all dolls, cereally!

 

[Jebbn]

wut?



12cm is so big, I want small, I dont want big, no no no.

Im buying a 15cm tank and mod, big is okay.

Just buy something. Just do something. Anything. Its not that hard. These arent life and death decisions you are trying to make.
Buy a Uwell and or what ever and get on with your life.

 

[Katya]

From everybody's experience, would UWell get much cheaper after a while, or shall I chuck the whole mischievous plan and get one now (and get a Zlide for it for the high-salt MtL)?

I have no idea, really! Everything gets cheaper eventually... Technology changes all the time. If you're in love with it, go for it. I don't own one so I can't help. But it's a big mod.

Seriously, keep your Pico and put a Zlide on top of it. Zlide is very versatile and will give you a lovely restricted lung hit with the preinstalled 0.48Ω coil in addition to a tame MTL vape for your salts (with the 1.6Ω coil). Promise.

 

[Katya]

Its not that hard.

You sure? I don't know how long you've been vaping, but when I started in 2009, we only had two choices--2-piece or 3-piece--and they were both pathetic.

I can't even imagine how new vapers start nowadays--so many choices...

 

[virm]

@Jebbn LOL
imagine that i'm actuaaly verrry annoyed by the making a big deal thing.... but the last time i didn't make such a fuss i smoked a pack a day for another 2 years_
besides, i think i'm getting additced to the whole-shopping experience_ and you guys aren't helping, making all this such fun_ your fault for being nice people!

got it with the zlide thing, and that's a solid plan B+ as soon as I go thru what these guys have, since i'm ordering 40 nicsalt shots from them anyway and i get a discount for first order.

They got the Vaperesso's that fit but don't have high-ohm coils. There's the N2S. I'm still going thru them, but while I got you guys in a congruous time: how come no one's mention the GS Air tanks? (These guys call it GS Air 3, though there's no 3 on the eleaf page, and it looks like the 'GS-Tank')...

SC GS Air 3 Clearomizer Set, 12,95 €
It is 22mm, accodding to the shop's site

Not sure if it takes all the GS coils (including M and S)
GS Air Series - Eleaf electronic cigarette

or just the 'GS Air series' here
GS Air Series Atomizer Heads | Eleafworld

wan't sure if it can actually screw into the pico but if it's the same as this one...


sounds perfect, except i haven't found english reviews for the combination

 

[Jebbn]

You sure? I don't know how long you've been vaping, but when I started in 2009, we only had two choices--2-piece or 3-piece--and they were both pathetic.

I can't even imagine how new vapers start nowadays--so many choices...

paralyzed by choice. Seen it in others, been there myself.

Factor in that this is only a step before moving over to rta's, rda's and squonking....which will happen in 3months
I ould just do as Katya suggested and get a zlide or zenith D22 for the pico and get to vaping...... and then start researching rta's and squonking asap just to get it all out of the way. Its almost inevitable.

 

[Katya]

how come no one's mention the GS Air tanks?

Ahem...

OK, I don't quite know where to begin. First of all, I'm not really a fertigcoil user anymore, so my experience is limited to GS Eleaf, EGo One, Nautilus and Zenith. They are all fine albeit a little different in the type of vape they deliver. (snip)

I like them. They used to be all the rage here a few years ago. I still use them, but I'm not familiar with the latest coils and tanks. two massive threads--lots of great information, a lot of chat and fooling around:

Eleaf GS Air Fan

Eleaf GS Air Fan : Part 2

 

[virm]

@Katya

@Jebbn I am sooo not headed toward RDA-whatever that is, sqwonking-i've actually looked that up yesterday coz the name was funny, or whatever letters you people come up with next [see, now it'll be even more fun for you if it turns out you're right]

so all these guys should be fine and i can get them by tomorrow... any reason i should go the long way around with the Zlide aside from getting in Kat(if you don't mind the short form)'s good graces? and is the actual @cats5365 Nauti X recommendation better? edit.. nevermind the nauti X... better for Vg but coil change is crap

 

[Katya]

@Katya

Right. But they are really old school. New tanks are far superior--top filling, no leaks, much better coils. GS Air and even my beloved eGo One CLR coils are being replaced by the newer and better devices.

so all these guys should be fine and i can get them by tomorrow... any reason i should go the long way around with the Zlide aside from getting in Kat(if you don't mind the short form)'s good graces? and is the actual @cats5365 Nauti X recommendation better?

Most here call me Kat. I answer to Kat, Katya, Kate, and Tweety (don't ask ).

And trust me, you won't hurt my feelings if you choose the Nauti... I want you to be happy!

 

[cats5365]

@Katya

@Jebbn I am sooo not headed toward RDA-whatever that is, sqwonking-i've actually looked that up yesterday coz the name was funny, or whatever letters you people come up with next [see, now it'll be even more fun for you if it turns out you're right]

so all these guys should be fine and i can get them by tomorrow... any reason i should go the long way around with the Zlide aside from getting in Kat(if you don't mind the short form)'s good graces? and is the actual @cats5365 Nauti X recommendation better? edit.. nevermind the nauti X... better for Vg but coil change is crap

YER ALL WRONG!!!! <--joking

I was pretty sure I was never going to go into building, but here in the USofA, we have a very large ban hammer hanging over our heads, so there was an extra incentive to give it a try. Building does give you the best way to customise your vape to be the best for your taste.

Changing the Nauti X coils isn't bad if you try to remember to do it when the tank is nearly empty and hold the tank sideways while you change if you weren't going to wash it out anyway. This is the only tank I have that never leaks out the air holes, but the coil changing is the price I pay for that feature.

 

[virm]

@cats5365 nah mi vingers mussen remain dr0y. you've scared me enough with the leakage tho that i'm definietly going with zlide.

@Katya Tweeks it is then!

coincidentally, since i'm learning what fits with what: watts, ohm, lungs, mods, etc. and 510/ego threading... then i came across Vic saying something like there's another variable that i can't make out. Mark 5:00-5:14


what is this?

 

[Katya]

i came across Vic saying something like there's another variable that i can't make out. Mark 5:00-5:14

He's just demonstrating that the mod has a spring loaded 510 pin. That's a nice feature as it ensures proper electrical connection with any tank's 510 pin. Those 510 pins vary in length between different manufacturers' products, and with older stationary pins people had problems; if the pin was just a hair too short, there was no electrical connection, and if the pin was too long, the atomizer wouldn't sit flat on the mod creating an unsightly gap.

 

[virm]

Kat this Fasttech place, is everrything on there authentic stuff or are some just knock offs? I wonder if I'll have to pay customs somehow if I buy a mod from them or they'd just let this thru..hmm...

 

[Katya]

Kat this Fasttech place, is everrything on there authentic stuff or are some just knock offs? I wonder if I'll have to pay customs somehow if I buy a mod from them or they'd just let this thru..hmm...

They sell knockoffs too, but when something is labelled as "authentic" it's authentic. I've been ordering from them for years and never had a problem.

I can' tell you about customs--I never had to pay a fee, but laws may be different here. The only downside of ordering from Fasttech is time--it can take anything from 8-9 days to a couple of weeks or longer for your package to arrive, so if you're in a hurry, buy locally.