I'm sorry but this reads to me like a choice. He could've easily (IMO) asked them to stop blowing huge clouds instead of penalizing all vapers.
It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...
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You've obviously never owned a business...
Now it's the owners fault? Wow, just wow!
Sure place the blame elsewhere, that's how society operates these days. Welcome to the land of self entitlement...
Are you being defensive cause the owner is your friend?
And why do I need to have own/ed a business to make a decision that works for all?
It's the 10% Rule -- there's ALWAYS going to be that 10% who muck things up for the other 90%. ALWAYS. They can't seem to help themselves, they're COMPELLED to be as obnoxious as possible in any given situation.
Andria
Not defensive at all. It appears that you are. Blaming the owner? Wow!
If I need to explain it then you don't get it..
That specific day it was them and a few customers may not return because of it. The next day it's someone else and again, a customer may not return. Rinse, lather, repeat.
At some point the damage to customer loss and the constant having to ask vapers not to do it becomes more effort than allowing it is worth..
He didn't ban vaping because of that one incident. It happened numerous times before and after the incident I described.
I don't blame any business that bans vaping. Irresponsible vapers ruin it then they throw tantrums after it's taken away..
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no one is blaming the owner.
its the owners job to deal with these
and other issues on a daily basis.
post a sign,polite .vaping only,no clouds.
there. if the persist.kick em out or ban
them permently. thats how it works in
the bar business. you do punish the majority of your customers for the
behavior of the few. you not only get rid of of the few,the vapers that followed
the rules may also leave.
regards
mike
It's rather obvious you don't get it nor do you care to. Continue doing what you want and where you want and the rest of us will continue paying the price for it..
At any rate, this thread and the other are train wrecks loaded to the hilt with self entitlement so I'll bow out of both and let you all have at it..
Mostly because cars are valuable to those who make the rules. In this case, vaping is only valuable to vapers, and if a few are rude, then all of us suffer, because the rule makers, for the most part, aren't vapers.
If that bar owner was a vaper, it would probably be a different matter -- he'd walk over to cloud blowers and DEMONSTRATE the correct way to vape indoors. Or maybe not -- maybe he'd just leave when he wanted to vape, or stay in his closed-door office -- owners always have more perks than customers.
Andria
Nope. It does not work that way.
Owner asks some cloud chaser to stop blowing clouds, the cloudchaser will point to some other vaper and insist his clouds are about the same, and so on, and so on...
You cannot ban something not measurable, something subjective (big-small clouds) without asking for troubles.
Does owner want troubles? Does he want to publicly argue with cloud chasers again and again? No, it will be bad for business.
Why do you always say this if people have an opinion different than yours? You've no idea what any of us "get" or "care" about!
I've been here for 6 years and have 3,000 posts so I doubt I've always said it.. LOL
Just stop as you are making yourself look silly now.. Anywho, quote me all you want as it's to the block list with you
They don't want to get it as it's all about them and them alone...
I stealth vaped every where I could when I first started vaping. It is a very liberating experience. I was very conscientious about my surroundings though; and, there are places remained taboo for me (movie theaters, airplanes, outdoor sporting events, or crowded public spaces in general).
When I realized that I was more pre-occupied where and when I could vape instead of enjoying the company I keep or where I am, I realized it was no different when I was smoking. I remembered the days where I am outside in pouring rain or snow puffing away, or drenching myself in sweat in 100F+ heat in a suit just for a few drags... and every time I hated myself for doing it... hated the way I smelled but I can't control it.
Analogs have been in control of my behaviour for 3 decades, and I'll be damned if I let another alternative, albiet a safer one, get control of me. When running errands, I wait until I am outside, in the parking lot or in my car before satisfying my urge. I never smoked in grocery stores so why should it be any different now.
But maybe it is different for me because my goal is to be nic free, and ditch vaping entirely... eventually.
Sorry for the long post, and I normally stay away from topics like this and others (clone vs authentic, cloud vs flavour chasers, and subohm vs tootle puffers). My point is, I get it why some vapers need to vape everywhere they can get away with. Smokers were villified for so long that it is very exhilarting and liberating to vape where you could not smoke before. If that is what it takes to keep you from lighting up an analog... vape on. I think for most, it is just a phase.
When I realized that I was more pre-occupied where and when I could vape instead of enjoying the company I keep or where I am, I realized it was no different when I was smoking. I remembered the days where I am outside in pouring rain or snow puffing away, or drenching myself in sweat in 100F+ heat in a suit just for a few drags... and every time I hated myself for doing it... hated the way I smelled but I can't control it.
Analogs have been in control of my behaviour for 3 decades, and I'll be damned if I let another alternative, albiet a safer one, get control of me. When running errands, I wait until I am outside, in the parking lot or in my car before satisfying my urge. I never smoked in grocery stores so why should it be any different now.
But maybe it is different for me because my goal is to be nic free, and ditch vaping entirely... eventually.
Sorry for the long post, and I normally stay away from topics like this and others (clone vs authentic, cloud vs flavour chasers, and subohm vs tootle puffers). My point is, I get it why some vapers need to vape everywhere they can get away with. Smokers were villified for so long that it is very exhilarting and liberating to vape where you could not smoke before. If that is what it takes to keep you from lighting up an analog... vape on. I think for most, it is just a phase.
Furthermore...
As with many things the public thinks it has an opinion on, the propaganda machine that is the powers that be ($$$$) will GIVE THE PUBLIC THEIR OPINION without their consent or knowledge.
Tapatyped
i have worked in bar for over 25 years
and can attest to the fact that every one knows the difference between allowed behavior and behavior that isn't allowed.cloud blowers know they are
blowing clouds and any casual observer
could see the difference.
you do not legislate against bad behavior.the owner hasthe right to call it as he sees it. a smart owner gets rid of
the trouble makers not his established
clientele
mike
Thinking the way things were handled is the only way is terribly short sighted and ignorant.
Attempting to enforce that will/ignorance on a passerby on a public forum is rude and arrogant.
I don't get the point in enforcing the point.
I've run my own and several other businesses all dealing with the public. One even included 5 bars... 6 in the summer.
How you write and enforce your non-statute-mandated rules is your choice.
Patron doesn't like it? There's the door. Returns and still doesn't like it or fights on the way out? There's the door permanently, and possibly criminal charges.
I would have handled it differently, personally.
Tapatyped
Attempting to enforce that will/ignorance on a passerby on a public forum is rude and arrogant.
I don't get the point in enforcing the point.
I've run my own and several other businesses all dealing with the public. One even included 5 bars... 6 in the summer.
How you write and enforce your non-statute-mandated rules is your choice.
Patron doesn't like it? There's the door. Returns and still doesn't like it or fights on the way out? There's the door permanently, and possibly criminal charges.
I would have handled it differently, personally.
Tapatyped
why are you assuming what public opinion is? you nor i do not know what it is.
i would like to know your opinion but,
please do not tell me what other people
are thinking and pretend they are on your side.
thank you,
mike
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