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On a serious note, Jesus most likely would not have vaped. (Alot of Biblical facts stand behind that thought that don't need to be outlined here). On the other hand, I doubt He would condemn anyone else for doing so.

Now if someones vaping habit lead to a real issue (idolization, mishandling money etc) then He would teach on that.

But if HE did vape, I bet the flavor would be Heavenly.
 

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People today like what I call "Jacuzzi Jesus". They just come in on Sunday for a soak. That's why we spent this week moving a homeless family out of the shelter and into their own apartment. That's why Monday @ 5:30 pm our congregation will meet at Walmart to buy Thanksgiving dinner/groceries for several area families. That's why we have set aside several thousands of dollars to provide those same families with Christmas. I don't do "jacuzzi Jesus. lol

Wow SG! I call what you're doing is 'where the rubber meets the road' Jesus 'cuz that's Jesus!... literally. :)
 

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Wow SG! I call what you're doing is 'where the rubber meets the road' Jesus 'cuz that's Jesus!... literally. :)

The last year I was with my congregation in middle Tennessee, we spent $25,000 doing just these things. Here is where it gets freaky...we never missed any of that money. There would always be some kind of contribution come in that would offset what we spent.
 

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You can't. God will come to you and you must write it yourself with His guidance.....if you are chosen. There is great power in this book..be careful what you ask for.

Wait!.. are you quoting 1st or 2nd Hesitations now or is that from 1st or 2nd Lamentations?... lol
 

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Can I get a witness?

No, but really, this is an attempt to start a conversation about Jesus, and what his life has done for the world.

I'm working on turning over a new leaf, trying to curb the consumer's appetite for all things transient and refocus my energies toward the golden rule

And I haven't been to church in a while

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I come in peace, to love and serve the lord

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My wife and I recently moved to Raleigh NC and are looking for a church. Any recommendations? We've been going to the Vinyard for awhile but the dogma's getting in the way the teachings. Know what I mean?

And pardon my abrupt beginning. I'm just looking for conversation while my wife's away for the weekend.


When I became a born again Christian, my 13 year old son said, "Mom you didn't turn over a new leaf....you planted a whole new tree!!!" I was so different than I was before, and it's only gotten stronger in the 25 years and 3 months since then!

What I would suggest, is you start reading in the Book of Romans, then read the Gospel of John. I personally like Matthew, but the Gospel of John is the 'love' Gospel. Find out who Jesus IS.....what He did when He walked the earth. What was He really about? What made Him tower above all the others......what made Him tick. He's the ONLY God who is living. All other prophets are dead. Why did He go through what He did for us? Why is He still praying for us to God the Father? Is He really Who He says He is? Inquiring minds want to know. I know I did. I had to know who He is......the closet I've seen in a movie is Jesus of Nazareth. Wonderful! The most Scriptural life of Jesus using the 4 Gospels together. It's not a full 100%, but the closest I've found. Give that a try, OSO. This gives you a beginning place to start!

As for locating a church....you'll never find a perfect church because we are imperfect beings. But, I'd go to where the Blood of Jesus is preached. There are many that do that. Unfortunately, it's a hit and miss situation, but ask God where He wants you and your family to be. You'll know! :)
 

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When I became a born again Christian, my 13 year old son said, "Mom you didn't turn over a new leaf....you planted a whole new tree!!!" I was so different than I was before, and it's only gotten stronger in the 25 years and 3 months since then!

What I would suggest, is you start reading in the Book of Romans, then read the Gospel of John. I personally like Matthew, but the Gospel of John is the 'love' Gospel. Find out who Jesus IS.....what He did when He walked the earth. What was He really about? What made Him tower above all the others......what made Him tick. He's the ONLY God who is living. All other prophets are dead. Why did He go through what He did for us? Why is He still praying for us to God the Father? Is He really Who He says He is? Inquiring minds want to know. I know I did. I had to know who He is......the closet I've seen in a movie is Jesus of Nazareth. Wonderful! The most Scriptural life of Jesus using the 4 Gospels together. It's not a full 100%, but the closest I've found. Give that a try, OSO. This gives you a beginning place to start!

As for locating a church....you'll never find a perfect church because we are imperfect beings. But, I'd go to where the Blood of Jesus is preached. There are many that do that. Unfortunately, it's a hit and miss situation, but ask God where He wants you and your family to be. You'll know! :)

I approve this message... ;)
 

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I work in a church as a youth pastor and I'll be the first to admit, it sucks. I've been torn down by church members, chewed out by the senior pastor, and treated like my 4 year degree was bull crap. What we've created as "church" is not biblical. It's not wrong, it's just not biblical. A good book on this is "Pagan Christianity" which discusses where a lot of things churches do as norm but were actually adopted from the pagan Roman faith. However, with that said, faith keeps me going. I put aside all the people that treat me terribly because I'm not appealing to the "business" they pay/tithe to. I ignore the fact that my senior pastor is threatened whenever I do something well because he isn't getting credit. The reason is simple: there's a whole lot of things going on in the world and I need to show love towards that. It's a sacrificial love. That means I have to give something up in order to be like Christ. I put aside my self and listen to some teen babel on about why they hate their parents. I listen when someone hurts. I advocate for those with no voice in the church because the head committee wants to cut their funding for their own agendas. That's sacrificial love. That's what a group of people meeting together needs to share while they celebrate the resurrection of Jesus. That's true church.
 

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You are not alone in what you see. Thanks for the book recommendation, I will check that one out. Many churches are now businesses. The sad thing is they seem to be growing faster then scripture based churches. Its easy to see why, its simple economics. Businesses have a better game plan to raise capital and the succeed in ways a Scripture based church can not. That success breeds more thinking along that same logic and the changes in a church are gradual over time. The members don't see it. If they do, they either ignore it thinking its all for the best , or don't really care since they are in powered.

Sorry you linked up with a bad church. Cheer up, things will get better....you're younger...time is on your side...HAHAHA.

Just don't let it change you while you are waiting, and start making a list NOW. When you get in a position to change things you will need a detailed list and explanation on why you want to start changing things. Remember some changes need to be fast and some need a slow step-by-step motion. Its sometimes better to do huge changes in slow steps...the exact way churches turn into dens for money changers...get the point.


I work in a church as a youth pastor and I'll be the first to admit, it sucks. I've been torn down by church members, chewed out by the senior pastor, and treated like my 4 year degree was bull crap. What we've created as "church" is not biblical. It's not wrong, it's just not biblical. A good book on this is "Pagan Christianity" which discusses where a lot of things churches do as norm but were actually adopted from the pagan Roman faith. However, with that said, faith keeps me going. I put aside all the people that treat me terribly because I'm not appealing to the "business" they pay/tithe to. I ignore the fact that my senior pastor is threatened whenever I do something well because he isn't getting credit. The reason is simple: there's a whole lot of things going on in the world and I need to show love towards that. It's a sacrificial love. That means I have to give something up in order to be like Christ. I put aside my self and listen to some teen babel on about why they hate their parents. I listen when someone hurts. I advocate for those with no voice in the church because the head committee wants to cut their funding for their own agendas. That's sacrificial love. That's what a group of people meeting together needs to share while they celebrate the resurrection of Jesus. That's true church.
 
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The greatest problem of the church today is found in most of it's patrons. Many have neglected the call to serve. Many follow Hebrews 10:25 to the letter. They show up to be entertained by song & preacher all the while forgetting their charge to serve mankind. Church success is based upon building size & budget and not the number of people served within the given community. This is why many will hear the words...Depart from me--I never knew you.
 

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I work in a church as a youth pastor and I'll be the first to admit, it sucks. I've been torn down by church members, chewed out by the senior pastor, and treated like my 4 year degree was bull crap. What we've created as "church" is not biblical. It's not wrong, it's just not biblical. A good book on this is "Pagan Christianity" which discusses where a lot of things churches do as norm but were actually adopted from the pagan Roman faith. However, with that said, faith keeps me going. I put aside all the people that treat me terribly because I'm not appealing to the "business" they pay/tithe to. I ignore the fact that my senior pastor is threatened whenever I do something well because he isn't getting credit. The reason is simple: there's a whole lot of things going on in the world and I need to show love towards that. It's a sacrificial love. That means I have to give something up in order to be like Christ. I put aside my self and listen to some teen babel on about why they hate their parents. I listen when someone hurts. I advocate for those with no voice in the church because the head committee wants to cut their funding for their own agendas. That's sacrificial love. That's what a group of people meeting together needs to share while they celebrate the resurrection of Jesus. That's true church.

You sound like you're in the 'right' position spiritually.... stay in that Church (if you can).. it appears they need as much Christ as they can get.
 

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The greatest problem of the church today is found in most of it's patrons. Many have neglected the call to serve. Many follow Hebrews 10:25 to the letter. They show up to be entertained by song & preacher all the while forgetting their charge to serve mankind. Church success is based upon building size & budget and not the number of people served within the given community. This is why many will hear the words...Depart from me--I never knew you.

Milk fed babies with no desire for Meat.
 
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