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We interrupt this genitalia waving contest to bring you a relevant question regarding the topic at hand;
I read somewhere that these are about an atomizer cone length longer than a standard ego of the same capacity. So size wise is there any benefit vs the ego booster?
Oh and for the record, I find everything under 9watts unsatisfying. And I'm not even dead yet
I read somewhere that these are about an atomizer cone length longer than a standard ego of the same capacity. So size wise is there any benefit vs the ego booster?
Oh and for the record, I find everything under 9watts unsatisfying. And I'm not even dead yet
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To anyone considering trying out the joyetech Twist when it finally becomes available, I thought some of the information contained in the "Information pages" of this forum might be useful in trying to determine what wattages might give you the optimum vape. Now please take this with a grain of salt, because it is almost completely contrary to some of the opinions expressed in this thread:
"Here is a list of the power output in Watts from the basic types of device. For those who find they need 'more', an increase in nicotine strength, flavoring or power is what is usually needed. Also, most usually find that if they increase the power (and therefore the efficiency of the equipment), they can reduce the amount of nicotine and flavoring.
Any old hand will tell you that the amount of vapor is critical. Your system needs to produce plenty of vapor or you are not getting the basic requirement. Power output is one of the core factors for good vapor volume.
■Minis (cigarette size models): 4 Watts
■Mid-size (eGo-type models): 5 - 8 Watts (depending on SR or LR end fittings)
■Small battery 3.7v APV (14500 cell): 5 - 9 Watts (depending on SR or LR fittings)
■Large battery 3.7v APV (18650 cell): 6 - 10 Watts (depending on SR or LR fittings)
■5v APV: 7 - 12 Watts (depending on fittings, LR cannot be used)
■VV APV: 4 - 15 Watts (depending on end fittings)
■6v APV 8 - 15 Watts (depending on end fittings, LR cannot be used, SR is hot, HR fittings preferred)
SR = standard resistance, LR = low resistance, HR = high resistance.
VV APVs are becoming more popular, and have advantages compared to fixed voltage 5 or 6 volt APVs as they are more flexible".
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"Help - I still have cravings
Some still experience cravings when first using an e-cigarette. You could take the point of view that this is not important, and the occasional cigarette can still be smoked, until this phase passes - or you could try to accelerate the process. If so, there are three steps to fixing the problem:
1. Increase the strength of the nicotine in your refills, and/or use a stronger flavoring. If you are on the common medium strength 18mg refills then this is an obvious place to start.
2. Increase the power output of your hardware. A move to a larger battery e-cig with LR low resistance fittings often helps. Regular size e-cigarettes have a power output of around 4 watts, LR takes this up to about 7 watts, and a 5 volt or V.V. APV ('mod') can go 8 to 12 watts or more".
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I thought that this was very interesting information that might be useful for those intersted in the recommendations of ECF regarding higher-powered devices and the wattages commony used with them, and I just felt compelled to share it.
[Emphasis mine].
"Here is a list of the power output in Watts from the basic types of device. For those who find they need 'more', an increase in nicotine strength, flavoring or power is what is usually needed. Also, most usually find that if they increase the power (and therefore the efficiency of the equipment), they can reduce the amount of nicotine and flavoring.
Any old hand will tell you that the amount of vapor is critical. Your system needs to produce plenty of vapor or you are not getting the basic requirement. Power output is one of the core factors for good vapor volume.
■Minis (cigarette size models): 4 Watts
■Mid-size (eGo-type models): 5 - 8 Watts (depending on SR or LR end fittings)
■Small battery 3.7v APV (14500 cell): 5 - 9 Watts (depending on SR or LR fittings)
■Large battery 3.7v APV (18650 cell): 6 - 10 Watts (depending on SR or LR fittings)
■5v APV: 7 - 12 Watts (depending on fittings, LR cannot be used)
■VV APV: 4 - 15 Watts (depending on end fittings)
■6v APV 8 - 15 Watts (depending on end fittings, LR cannot be used, SR is hot, HR fittings preferred)
SR = standard resistance, LR = low resistance, HR = high resistance.
VV APVs are becoming more popular, and have advantages compared to fixed voltage 5 or 6 volt APVs as they are more flexible".
Quick Answers
"Help - I still have cravings
Some still experience cravings when first using an e-cigarette. You could take the point of view that this is not important, and the occasional cigarette can still be smoked, until this phase passes - or you could try to accelerate the process. If so, there are three steps to fixing the problem:
1. Increase the strength of the nicotine in your refills, and/or use a stronger flavoring. If you are on the common medium strength 18mg refills then this is an obvious place to start.
2. Increase the power output of your hardware. A move to a larger battery e-cig with LR low resistance fittings often helps. Regular size e-cigarettes have a power output of around 4 watts, LR takes this up to about 7 watts, and a 5 volt or V.V. APV ('mod') can go 8 to 12 watts or more".
Beginner Tutorial - 3
I thought that this was very interesting information that might be useful for those intersted in the recommendations of ECF regarding higher-powered devices and the wattages commony used with them, and I just felt compelled to share it.
[Emphasis mine].
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It surprises me that you'd argue common vaping knowledge like this, but have at it. It does tell me you haven't disassembled many filler-type cartos, though.
There are many photos and videos out there showing the glass mesh tube surrounding the coil in cartomizers, since you don't seem to trust the video I posted. I know you'll never stop arguing for the sake of it, but I think you're probably better off doing some research into things that are pretty much common knowledge.
Yeah that's to insulate the wires from melting that are near the coils. McMaster-Carr Ultra-High-Temperature Ceramic Sleeving The 1st time I saw this was when I was young over 25 years ago taking apart a light fixture.
I've taken apart enough to know it goes over the wires not coil..you're also assuming I haven't watched tons of videos on it also..your "common knowledge" is wrong..what is around each coil in my dual coil's is 2 small flat pieces of what appears to be polyester matting.
The braided tubing is only over the wire near the coil then over the top of it all is more poly-matting wrapping it up and what the e-liquid is suspended in.
He has every right to post what he wants but he was stating the ceramic insulation that protects the wires goes over the coils. I was just suggesting he stayed out of it because he doesn't seem to know..maybe it was a little rude of course he was saying I didn't know what was going on..I don't know everything nor pretend to but I know how my dual coils are put together and the other poly cartos I had..I try not to be rude though...
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Meanwhile, back at the Ranch;
The Twist doesn't magically give us "something for nothing". The 4.8 volts is only available in the first 30 puffs and drops approximately 0.1 volt (maximum available voltage) after each 30 puffs.
Still, to provide 4 volts after 180 puffs is quite impressive.
Now if they would only add a pass-through charge capability!
The Twist doesn't magically give us "something for nothing". The 4.8 volts is only available in the first 30 puffs and drops approximately 0.1 volt (maximum available voltage) after each 30 puffs.
Still, to provide 4 volts after 180 puffs is quite impressive.
Now if they would only add a pass-through charge capability!
Then they'd have to move the twisty part to the top from the bottom.
I got a chance to play with he twist- here it is in video:
This model has been confirmed at 650mAh
They probably would be better off not listing voltages on the device and just put a plus with an arrow one direction and a minus the other and dots to get an idea..then they should just list the highest/lowest voltage in the description.
Now if they could just put this kind of circuit in a SD Key Ring that was only a little bigger than it is now that would be a nice compact device..I wouldn't expect 4.8v out of it either but if it could go just above 4v it would be nice..if the battery tech was more advanced (batteries really haven't changed all that much in 100 years at least they haven't advanced at the rate other things have) we could have something with the function of a full sized device in a very compact device..I love my SD's with 3.5ml tanks on them
They probably would be better off not listing voltages on the device and just put a plus with an arrow one direction and a minus the other and dots to get an idea..then they should just list the highest/lowest voltage in the description.
Now if they could just put this kind of circuit in a SD Key Ring that was only a little bigger than it is now that would be a nice compact device..I wouldn't expect 4.8v out of it either but if it could go just above 4v it would be nice..if the battery tech was more advanced (batteries really haven't changed all that much in 100 years at least they haven't advanced at the rate other things have) we could have something with the function of a full sized device in a very compact device..I love my SD's with 3.5ml tanks on them
Except for the fact that the ego-c twist, as shown in the video, held 4.8 volts under a 3 ohm load when a freshly charged 18650 (trustfire) dipped to 3.4 volts under a 3 ohm load.
And battery technology *has* changed by an order of magnitude as far as energy density is concerned. It's a huge change. And most of it has happened in the last 30 years.
IDK I just watched something a couple years ago on one of the learning channels where the battery tech is still holding back electric cars a lot and the tech hasn't changed much. I agree the density has changed but not as much as I think it could have..maybe there have been big improvements the last few years but I'm not sure.
The high drain batteries have been around like 6 years or longer (the 18650's high drains have been around for sure). I think the thing is the densities have been possible for a very long time but just were expensive. I mean look at 64bit computing it's been around since the 60's. There were also electric cars at the beginning that worked pretty good and we haven't advanced all that much.
I think one of the issues is the money wasn't put enough into advancing batteries because of the low cost of other electric supplies but I think the money is going there now to a point. We really do need to invest more in batteries because they will save us in the future.
When we can use solar/wind and other sources to charge batteries in the areas where they are more efficient to do so and move them to places they are not it could be part of the solution to our energy issues. I think one of the problems there is storing enough energy for long periods still can't be done without a good amount of loss.
I think if we had invested more into batteries we could have VV's right now the size of a 510 with the energy of a 18650. Who knows though our military might already have this and it's being held back like 64bit computing was for years...
I'm not so sure that the author of that statement should continue talking about batteries.
Cozzicon, thanks for making that video. I watched it several days ago on the YouTube, and it made me more eager than ever to get my hands on a Twist and put it through its paces. I hope that it will prove to be a nice, inexpensive way to introduce someone to some of the benefits of VV.
Sorry to quote you a second time but I think you will find this interesting~> Experimentation with lithium batteries began in 1912 under G.N. Lewis... I understand it wasn't developed until the 70's on but I think it could have been 100 years ago..I think the battery just wasn't developed as much as it could have been and now we are playing catchup..electronic devices have went from warehouse sized to in your hand in a few decades..battery tech hasn't...
I do understand but look at your car battery it hasn't got much smaller in 100 years..it does hold more voltage and amps though but I would expect more..if it was developed why don't we have a car battery the size of a deck of cards? Right now we can't make a battery that small with the amps to start a car...
Take two physics classes, and call me in the morning
Scaling of micro processors, which operate at a subatomic scale (electrons), and scaling of batteries, which operate at molecular level (lithium-cobalt), are completely different disciplines but both bound by physics.
Electronic micro processors are quickly reaching their limits of scalability due to electromigration. Batteries are already limited as to their energy densities on a chemistry by chemistry basis. They are not the same sciences.
If you want a battery the size of your cell phone powering your car, you need to find a new chemistry that is unknown (unlikely). Or alternatively master the unknown art of cold fusion (perhaps possible- but un-achieved unless you think that Ponds and Fleischman were actually successful).
HOWEVER-
There may be other chemistries being developed at higher energy densities. My suspicion is that some of those chemistries could blow up an apartment building rather than an e-cig.
You are completely welcome. I'm kinda jazzed about the product myself because I like compact batteries sometimes.
Take two physics classes, and call me in the morning
Scaling of micro processors, which operate at a subatomic scale (electrons), and scaling of batteries, which operate at molecular level (lithium-cobalt), are completely different disciplines but both bound by physics.
Electronic micro processors are quickly reaching their limits of scalability due to electromigration. Batteries are already limited as to their energy densities on a chemistry by chemistry basis. They are not the same sciences.
If you want a battery the size of your cell phone powering your car, you need to find a new chemistry that is unknown (unlikely). Or alternatively master the unknown art of cold fusion (perhaps possible- but un-achieved unless you think that Ponds and Fleischman were actually successful).
HOWEVER-
There may be other chemistries being developed at higher energy densities. My suspicion is that some of those chemistries could blow up an apartment building rather than an e-cig.
Good luck with me taking physics classes lol..although I probably have the natural mechanical/mathematical ability that I would have done great in one.
I do understand that there are limits (and as well as electronics are starting to come close to the nano limit) but I still think the resources haven't been put into batteries that should have been until recently.
Yeah at the densities of an 18650 now if they were put in a sealed compact metal tube and vented they could already do a ton of damage and more than just losing a hand..maybe some things are just being held back because of the danger of them in the wrong hands.
This tech kind of scares me for the future because it can't be held back forever and when nuts (well I guess that is already happening and the world is full of nuts) get their hands on it we might be in big trouble (probably already are). I also understand there could be more dense batteries but they could be too unstable for general use.
I do think circuits will reach there smallest size in the near future (IDK if we would really need smaller than nano anyways we already are moving too fast as it is and other changes in computing can make some up of the limit) but batteries still have a way to go. I think in the next few years you will probably see smaller e cigs (or other devices) with higher energy densities too. I'm not claiming to know everything here either far from it but I have an idea..also just about anything is possible whenever someone has said there was a limit we couldn't get around we have eventually in a lot of cases
Take two physics classes, and call me in the morning
Scaling of micro processors, which operate at a subatomic scale (electrons), and scaling of batteries, which operate at molecular level (lithium-cobalt), are completely different disciplines but both bound by physics.
Electronic micro processors are quickly reaching their limits of scalability due to electromigration. Batteries are already limited as to their energy densities on a chemistry by chemistry basis. They are not the same sciences.
If you want a battery the size of your cell phone powering your car, you need to find a new chemistry that is unknown (unlikely). Or alternatively master the unknown art of cold fusion (perhaps possible- but un-achieved unless you think that Ponds and Fleischman were actually successful).
HOWEVER-
There may be other chemistries being developed at higher energy densities. My suspicion is that some of those chemistries could blow up an apartment building rather than an e-cig.
Good comments.
I find it interesting that so many have made comments on this "disagreement" and that there are all these members on one side of the issue and one person on the other side. And all the "likes"/agreements are on one side of the discussion and almost none on the other. Yet nothing gets through to the one person on the opposite side of the discussion. Me thinks some people will argue day is night and night is day just because they can't ever admit they could be mistaken. From my long ago college psychology courses, I believe there is a medical name for that affliction.
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