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This little nugget of wisdom solved my leaking issues. I literally spent hours trying to figure this out. I tried different wick/coil setups, different o-rings, different juices, different amounts of wick, placing the wick in different places, and it would still leak like a sieve through the air hole after a few puffs. Then I read this and tried it. I turned the Kayfun lite completely upside down and filled it with a blunt-nose syringe (I didn't have the screw on ones as suggested.) After screwing the fill screw back in tightly, I put my finger over the air hole, still holding the Kayfun upside down, and took a few tugs from the mouth piece until I could feel the vacuum getting tighter. Then I screwed it back on my mod, and it works like a dream with no leaking. I haven't seen it mentioned or done in the Kayfun build tutorials I've watched but it makes perfect sense, considering how the Kayfun works like a vacuum. Thank you very very much for your advice.
I am so loving my duals in my kayfun that I don't even bother playing with any other builds anymore, this thing vapes better than any other build I've tried
Turbo, what are the specs on that dual coil/wick? Did you have a build/install with more detail in an earlier post, couldn't find it...? Thanks
I am so loving my duals in my kayfun that I don't even bother playing with any other builds anymore, this thing vapes better than any other build I've tried
What ohms is that setup? Is the vape a hot vape? Any problems causing heat or melting of the insulator?
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Quick question. I've been doing vertical microcoils with cotton (follow rip tripper's vid guide). Most of the time I get the smoothest and richest vape ever. Once in a while after I rewick the cotton and dry burn the coils, the vape is insanely harsh on the throat even with the same juice. Any idea what would be the cause of that?
I figure it's smth to do with the coil or the wick (I mean there really isn't much that can go wrong on these babies). Just trying to figure out what exactly.
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I figure it's smth to do with the coil or the wick (I mean there really isn't much that can go wrong on these babies). Just trying to figure out what exactly.
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I am so loving my duals in my kayfun that I don't even bother playing with any other builds anymore, this thing vapes better than any other build I've tried
Wow, that looks sick...how many wraps, what ohms, ID???
the lower picture is 28 ga .055" ID wrap, ~1.4mm ID, each coil 2.2 ohms for a total installed as duals at 1.1 ohm. run it on a vw device at ~15 watts. the top picture is my current favorite which is 30 gauge .055" ID for a little over 4 ohms each coil giving me a total installed of 2.2-2.3 ohms, also run around the same 15 watts.
I have massaged my juice channels a bit with a dremel opening them a little, this allows more juice rise with less suction. slightly more juice feed overall. this helps me run these with minimal dry hits issues while still having a somewhat open airy draw. it feeds nice and I'm running 100% VG through it. with a stock kayfun you may need to run less watts or you could tighten up your draw and hit it with a deeper pull on each hit to compensate. that's what I used to do before modding my kayfun
I've found the perfect wicking for these duals through trial and error. how I wick it now is the tails for the coil on one side get dropped into the channel of the opposite coil, resulting in the tails crossing each other as an X over the screws tying the feeds together for both coils ... this ensures equal feed to both coils and eliminates the need for a balancing wick. if you wick each coil individually then invariably one winds up getting feed better that the other. I'm also using hemp fiber. cotton may work ok but I think the hemp wicks better, plus with cotton if you push it just a little too much you can burn it and then get horrible taste until you rewick, with hemp even if you wind up burning it a little you can just give a few dry hits to saturate it and once it's saturated it still vapes reasonably well. hemp recovers much of the way from slight burning where cotton doesn't. that can help when trying to run dual coils at 15 watts in the kayfun
the vape is NOT hot, at all... it is sweet, it is an airy draw and it is a swift hit. it is rich dense flavorful clouds in just a 3-4 second hit. those that think it's going to be a hot harsh vape are just mistaken, I'm not much for throat hit at all and I get very little with this, it's not about a hard hit. the 15 watts spread out over many wraps of long coils really puts out a large amount of vapor and flavor, it's a thick rich vape, not a hot vape... my single vertical was a hot vape, this one not at all unless you start drawing for 6-7 seconds or more at higher power levels.... you can't do that here, nor do you need to. if you do then it will burn and give a nasty hot hit, you need to know how to tickle it without burning it up.
flavor and vapor production is what really gets intensified here, not harshness nor heat.... the vape is more intense in a good way, not in a knock your lungs out of your chest way
I have massaged my juice channels a bit with a dremel opening them a little, this allows more juice rise with less suction. slightly more juice feed overall. this helps me run these with minimal dry hits issues while still having a somewhat open airy draw. it feeds nice and I'm running 100% VG through it. with a stock kayfun you may need to run less watts or you could tighten up your draw and hit it with a deeper pull on each hit to compensate. that's what I used to do before modding my kayfun
I've found the perfect wicking for these duals through trial and error. how I wick it now is the tails for the coil on one side get dropped into the channel of the opposite coil, resulting in the tails crossing each other as an X over the screws tying the feeds together for both coils ... this ensures equal feed to both coils and eliminates the need for a balancing wick. if you wick each coil individually then invariably one winds up getting feed better that the other. I'm also using hemp fiber. cotton may work ok but I think the hemp wicks better, plus with cotton if you push it just a little too much you can burn it and then get horrible taste until you rewick, with hemp even if you wind up burning it a little you can just give a few dry hits to saturate it and once it's saturated it still vapes reasonably well. hemp recovers much of the way from slight burning where cotton doesn't. that can help when trying to run dual coils at 15 watts in the kayfun
the vape is NOT hot, at all... it is sweet, it is an airy draw and it is a swift hit. it is rich dense flavorful clouds in just a 3-4 second hit. those that think it's going to be a hot harsh vape are just mistaken, I'm not much for throat hit at all and I get very little with this, it's not about a hard hit. the 15 watts spread out over many wraps of long coils really puts out a large amount of vapor and flavor, it's a thick rich vape, not a hot vape... my single vertical was a hot vape, this one not at all unless you start drawing for 6-7 seconds or more at higher power levels.... you can't do that here, nor do you need to. if you do then it will burn and give a nasty hot hit, you need to know how to tickle it without burning it up.
flavor and vapor production is what really gets intensified here, not harshness nor heat.... the vape is more intense in a good way, not in a knock your lungs out of your chest way
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Turbocad will you inform me as to which cotton variety you use? It looks to have very very long fibers... I'm feeling underwhelmed with the flavor I'm getting with cvs sterile rolled. I'm in the market so to speak. I appreciate your build share and plan to make a variation of it on my next rebuild. Thank you for the consideration Turbo.
the lower picture is 28 ga .055" ID wrap, ~1.4mm ID, each coil 2.2 ohms for a total installed as duals at 1.1 ohm. run it on a vw device at ~15 watts. the top picture is my current favorite which is 30 gauge .055" ID for a little over 4 ohms each coil giving me a total installed of 2.2-2.3 ohms, also run around the same 15 watts.
I have massaged my juice channels a bit with a dremel opening them a little, this allows more juice rise with less suction. slightly more juice feed overall. this helps me run these with minimal dry hits issues while still having a somewhat open airy draw. it feeds nice and I'm running 100% VG through it. with a stock kayfun you may need to run less watts or you could tighten up your draw and hit it with a deeper pull on each hit to compensate. that's what I used to do before modding my kayfun
I've found the perfect wicking for these duals through trial and error. how I wick it now is the tails for the coil on one side get dropped into the channel of the opposite coil, resulting in the tails crossing each other as an X over the screws tying the feeds together for both coils ... this ensures equal feed to both coils and eliminates the need for a balancing wick. if you wick each coil individually then invariably one winds up getting feed better that the other. I'm also using hemp fiber. cotton may work ok but I think the hemp wicks better, plus with cotton if you push it just a little too much you can burn it and then get horrible taste until you rewick, with hemp even if you wind up burning it a little you can just give a few dry hits to saturate it and once it's saturated it still vapes reasonably well. hemp recovers much of the way from slight burning where cotton doesn't. that can help when trying to run dual coils at 15 watts in the kayfun
the vape is NOT hot, at all... it is sweet, it is an airy draw and it is a swift hit. it is rich dense flavorful clouds in just a 3-4 second hit. those that think it's going to be a hot harsh vape are just mistaken, I'm not much for throat hit at all and I get very little with this, it's not about a hard hit. the 15 watts spread out over many wraps of long coils really puts out a large amount of vapor and flavor, it's a thick rich vape, not a hot vape... my single vertical was a hot vape, this one not at all unless you start drawing for 6-7 seconds or more at higher power levels.... you can't do that here, nor do you need to. if you do then it will burn and give a nasty hot hit, you need to know how to tickle it without burning it up.
flavor and vapor production is what really gets intensified here, not harshness nor heat.... the vape is more intense in a good way, not in a knock your lungs out of your chest way
So the top pic is 30g wrapped on a 1.4mm diameter? How many wraps so I can guesstimate my try at the build since I'm looking to get between 1.3-1.8 on my dual coil try.
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Snagged one from Venerable, a KFL clone of some sort. It's completely replaced my Fogger as "all day vape".
This is a wrap I did around a very thick paper clip. Pretty tight coil using 30g Kanthal and came in at 1.5Ω.
While it doesn't "look great" on a Zmax (my default, carry around while I work device), it certainly works great
This is a wrap I did around a very thick paper clip. Pretty tight coil using 30g Kanthal and came in at 1.5Ω.
While it doesn't "look great" on a Zmax (my default, carry around while I work device), it certainly works great
Hey all, new to the thread but I've been using it for information for a couple weeks. I just wanted to say thanks for all the incredible info here in the KFL thread. I'm not ashamed to admit I was extremely frustrated with my KFL+ for almost a week. Countless different builds and either dry hits or extreme flooding. I build geni's and RDA's regularly and it was eating at me that everyone was enjoying this incredible vape and I just couldn't get the same performance. Countless videos, posts and such I had seen had STRESSED to keep the wick AWAY from the juice channels. I was scouring through this thread hoping for that one piece of info to get my KFL+ up and running. I then stumbled across Donnah speaking about the importance of having wicking material at or on TOP of the juice channel. If no cotton(in my case) was there, the juice would be brought in during a drag and go right back out without touching the wicks. Visually something clicked and this made so much damn sense I couldn't believe I hadn't tried it. It had been hammered into my head that this was the last thing you want to do.
I immediately tore down my KFL+ and rewicked it with the cotton sitting right up on the juice channels. I put everything back together, primed it, and start vaping. I then experienced my first entire tank from a KFL+ with zero flooding or dry hits. What an incredibly satisfying, full flavored vape. I couldn't get it to go dry no matter how hard I tried. This is 100% due to the fact my cotton was seeing plenty of liquid each and every drag, yet wasn't flooding because my cotton was doing it's job and soaking up the e liquid that was coming in.
I have now enjoyed tank after tank of this same fantastic quality vape for the past 4 or 5 days and I have everyone in this thread and Donnah to thank for that! I am now vaping on a 28g - 9 wraps - 1/16th drillbit - 1.1 ohm microcoil on my Magneto and enjoying the hell out of it. Thanks so much for all the excellent info all.
I immediately tore down my KFL+ and rewicked it with the cotton sitting right up on the juice channels. I put everything back together, primed it, and start vaping. I then experienced my first entire tank from a KFL+ with zero flooding or dry hits. What an incredibly satisfying, full flavored vape. I couldn't get it to go dry no matter how hard I tried. This is 100% due to the fact my cotton was seeing plenty of liquid each and every drag, yet wasn't flooding because my cotton was doing it's job and soaking up the e liquid that was coming in.
I have now enjoyed tank after tank of this same fantastic quality vape for the past 4 or 5 days and I have everyone in this thread and Donnah to thank for that! I am now vaping on a 28g - 9 wraps - 1/16th drillbit - 1.1 ohm microcoil on my Magneto and enjoying the hell out of it. Thanks so much for all the excellent info all.
Yeah, for the first week I had similar issues. Burnt a couple cotton wicks to a crisp, and had endless trouble with Ekowool (still do, can't quite get that to work reliably). But that build I put in the picture, trimming the wick down and getting it to rest right on the channel, it's been perfect since.
I believe that's 13 wraps each coil of the 30ga, wrapped on .055" music wire which is slightly less than 1/16th
That's great to hear! I went straight for the cotton and micro since it's what I enjoy best and I am glad I did. Once you know where the wick needs to sit it's a piece of cake to swap out wicks and the flavor is outstanding.
thanks. I only have a 100ft roll of 28 so ima try my build with that.
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