Kayfun LITE

[donnah]

I do about the same. I fill mine just to where the clear window meets the stainless. I've yet to have a dry hit, which, from what I hear, is pretty awful with cotton.

I think I was over filling it also.. I would put 3.5ml in and it would almost come to the top of the clear window, then I would add more. I didn't think that it was my wicks but the equalization of the air pressure. I think (please please please) I have finally got this thing figured out LOL

and yea.. a dry hit with cotton is pretty bad!

 

[vapdivrr]

hey guys just re-posting the video I had done before, it had audio issues because I had some music playing in the backround which u-tube messed with because of possible copyright infringments, anyways I drowned the original music out with some elevator music.

 

[vapdivrr]

One thing I've never experimented with is high end drippers. I don't know why. They've just never interested me. But I've been a confirmed ss mesh geny user for over a year. I got there via cartomizers, carto tanks, CE2s (about 4 versions), Phoenix Bottom coils, Vivi Novas, etc. Every step seemed like a better vape than the last.
So far, I don't see the K Lites as a step ahead. But that's just me. They are more of a step sideways. I think they're great. But, for me, they are just another option for a good vape.

on the comparisons between the kayfuns and other devices I would also have to say that for flavor, my genesis devices do have an edge. I only use porous ceramic in my genesis and imo produces the best flavor of any wick I have ever vaped. now if I was comparing a meshed genesis device, I would take the kayfun. I just never liked the ss wicks myself, imo they imparted a slight metallic taste to the vape. but all in all, if you take all things as a whole, I do like the kayfun better then my genesis devices. I also agree about hi end drippers, I have an rm2 with a reo (which is my all time favorite device) and find that to be a little better then the kayfun. so if I took all my favorite devices that I have been using the last couple of years it would be, #1= reo&rm2///#2= kayfun/// #3= genesis devices. so now if I can just master the stevew"s ceramic method in the kayfun I would be set, then maybe try it in the rm2.

 

[Lando80]

Is there a link to this elusive ceramic kayfun build?

 

[Rule62]

I think I was over filling it also.. I would put 3.5ml in and it would almost come to the top of the clear window, then I would add more. I didn't think that it was my wicks but the equalization of the air pressure. I think (please please please) I have finally got this thing figured out LOL

and yea.. a dry hit with cotton is pretty bad!

The Kayfuns remind me of the bottom coil clearos that were all the rage a little over a year ago. GV called them Phoenix Bottom Coils. Other vendors sold them under different names. I never could keep all those CE numbers straight.
Anyway...they operated under the same hydraulic principle. Pressure differential between the juice reservoir and the chamber with the wick and coil. It was important not to over fill them. The principle requires an air cushion for them to work.

 

[donnah]

The Kayfuns remind me of the bottom coil clearos that were all the rage a little over a year ago. GV called them Phoenix Bottom Coils. Other vendors sold them under different names. I never could keep all those CE numbers straight.
Anyway...they operated under the same hydraulic principle. Pressure differential between the juice reservoir and the chamber with the wick and coil. It was important not to over fill them. The principle requires an air cushion for them to work.

Maybe I shouldn't have skipped the bottom coil clearos

 

[donnah]

Finally received a lite and its my first one. I am having some trouble. Set it up last night and it was working great but when I went to use it this morning after my first vape it started leaking out the air hole and I can't get it to stop. Any suggestions? Thanks


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geez.. that's one problem I haven't had... yet. a few pages back someone said that his started leaking and when he checked the coil.. one of the loops had dipped down and the juice was wicking off of it down into the air hole and out through the outside air hole. You might want to check to see if that is happening.

EDIT.. here it is

Just wanted to pass on some knowledge here -

My kayfun light worked flawlessly for the last five days. Today, out of nowhere, it started to weep from the airhole.

Tried to blow out the excess from chamber by blowing into the mouthpiece and it continued to leak. Tried to take slower drags attempting to vape excess liquid, still leaked.

Opened it up, drained fluid, disassembled, looked at coil. Through heat, a bump, or whatever, one side of the coil had drooped close to the airhole inside of the evaporation chamber. Took a small screwdriver and pried the coil higher over the airhole, put chamber on, tucked wick back into place, reassembled unit, and no more leak. Since the coil was really close to the airhole, the wick was feeding fluid into the airhole and drained out of the exterior air intake hole.

Just wanted to put this out there for anyone having random leak problems as a place to look if your Kayfun starts to leak on you.

 

[Rule62]

Maybe I shouldn't have skipped the bottom coil clearos

They worked pretty well. Didn't leak. Which was pretty revolutionary for Clearos. But the biggest thing about them was filling them correctly.

 

[Cid78]

i never has a leak, but now my KFL flavour is a bit muted, and wicking sometimes works flawlessly, sometimes not.. i need to take a few puff before firing for not getting dry hits.. But sometimes works flawlessly.. Any advise why?

 

[doats81]

Thanks donnah. I'm just going to rebuild my coil. I need to take a wrap or two out anyways.

 

[Tennovan]

I'm still having trouble with my KFL, I've rewicked several times over the last couple days and it's awesome for the first few minutes and then I start getting dry hits and then they turn burnt. I can cover the air hole and take a quick suck or two on the mouth piece and get juice into the chamber and it vapes awesome again until the juice in the chamber runs out. My juice channels aren't blocked. I don't know if I have too much or not enough wick down in the chamber. I've watched Todd wick his with silica and he's got much more wick than I do. I figure cotton, when wet, is heavier than silica and I worry about it expanding and blocking the channels.. I keep taking it apart and checking the placement of the tails. I think next time I take it apart (which will be real soon) I'll add a bit more cotton in the chamber and see if more helps

EDIT
I think I figured out what is happening... I'm not sucking on it hard enough LOL... since I had some juice popping, i've been trying to do the long, slow smooth draws and it's been since then I've had wicking issues... so I just tried sucking harder and it's wicking. Either that or it saw me threaten to take it apart again.

I'm having pretty much the exact same problem. As soon as I finished this last build, it was perfect for about 30 minutes and then I started to get dry hits. I would intentionally flood the chamber and it was great again for about 15 minutes before I got more dry hits. I've taken it apart several times and even trimmed the cotton quite a bit, but that doesn't seem to be helping. At the moment, I'm getting a muted flavor and the dry hits are coming less frequently, but its still not quite there.

One interesting thing I've noticed is that when I take dry pulls to flood the chamber, air bubbles are only rising from one side. In my mind, I'm expecting to see air rise from both sides. I'm thinking maybe only half my cotton is getting juice and its the other half thats causing the dry hits and muted flavor. I'm going to take it apart in about half an hour to inspect.

 

[qorax]

i never has a leak, but now my KFL flavour is a bit muted, and wicking sometimes works flawlessly, sometimes not.. i need to take a few puff before firing for not getting dry hits.. But sometimes works flawlessly.. Any advise why?

Tip-3: Avoid building a "large-sized" wick setup. Neither extra-long nor unduely-fat! Kayfuns pull-in minimal juice when drawn by us, imagine liquid flowing thru a pin-hole... that minimal. And that gets atomized nearly/completely by the time we release the button. Besides, while idling there's a near-0 juice intake... it just remains moist to a certain extent. Thus, if the wick is over-sized it'd not remain as saturated as needed (while idling) and upon drawing the juice would take additional time to travel to the coil. Which will result firing it in a Semi-Arid state! A bad vape as hell!
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The Kayfun works best with the figure-8 wick of 2mm Silica (if Silica was preferred), having a max 5mm dia loop at each end, which are softly sitting on each side of the deck. Just two small loops. Make it large and you are heading for trouble!

This is NOT GOOD X:

Yep, made by me and tried Those end loops need to be cut in half alongwith a thinner rope, which will ensure that upon firing the coil is in "Wetlands" - and voilà, you then have a good thing going there! No more 'primer puffs', no more dry hits. I don't have any such misery with any of my K-Lites since!

 

[Blix]

Yup, use way less wick than you might think you need and the Kayfun performs much better. I used to do the figure-8 wicks, but found a small "S" wick using 1mm Ekowool doubled over works just as well for me.

 

[deezdrama]

I have some mbv bananas gone nuts juice I want to put in the k lite but Its got a slight bit of cinnamon in the juice I think... anyone know if the clear tank section would be alright with this juice?

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[Blix]

I have some mbv bananas gone nuts juice I want to put in the k lite but Its got a slight bit of cinnamon in the juice I think... anyone know if the clear tank section would be alright with this juice?

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Both banana and cinnamon are known tank killers, so I wouldn't risk it.

 

[Cid78]

Thanks qorax and Blix.. i am using 3mm silica wick, just follow Todd's methods.. But tonight i will try to use 2mm silica figure 8 methods, and using 30 awg kanthal instead of 32 awg i am using now..

When making figure 8 wick, does the wick have to be at the bottom on the juice hole, or slightly above it, means that it is not touching the base?

 

[Tennovan]

This is NOT GOOD X: <snipped img>

Now that we have a pic of what NOT to do, do you happen to have one illustrating a corrected setup?

When making figure 8 wick, does the wick have to be at the bottom on the juice hole, or slightly above it, means that it is not touching the base?

I'm curious about this as well. I've noticed that when my cotton touches the base, I seem to get more dry hits. At the moment I have the cotton cut to where its about 1mm above the base... there's a tiny gap so that it's not touching. Performance is better but I think there's still a lot of room for improvement.

 

[JD1]

.....hey guys just re-posting the video I had done before, .....

Great video, vapdivrr, I posted a link over in the 804 thread. The deck on the 804 is slightly different but close enough that your video will be helpful for anyone building the 804 for the first time or trying a micro coil for the first time.

 

[curisu]

Shortish wick, per Todd's build advice works a charm for me. Just enough tails on the wick to touch the bottom of the feeding channels. Do NOT stuff wick down the sides or you'll plug the feeds and just get dry hits.

I use ekowool, tried builds with both 3mm and 2mm hollows, and in both cases, the ends unraveled; turns out this is pretty much perfect for wicking in the KFL. I use the tip of a syringe to line the sides of the chamber with wick strands, taking care that about half go down the sides to the feed channels. I also used Todd's method of doubling the wick onto itself and then snipping the extra just above the top of the chamber barrel - this leaves a pretty good length of tail - just long enough to wick properly, not so long that it plugs it up.

 

[Cid78]

Shortish wick, per Todd's build advice works a charm for me. Just enough tails on the wick to touch the bottom of the feeding channels. Do NOT stuff wick down the sides or you'll plug the feeds and just get dry hits.

I use ekowool, tried builds with both 3mm and 2mm hollows, and in both cases, the ends unraveled; turns out this is pretty much perfect for wicking in the KFL. I use the tip of a syringe to line the sides of the chamber with wick strands, taking care that about half go down the sides to the feed channels. I also used Todd's method of doubling the wick onto itself and then snipping the extra just above the top of the chamber barrel - this leaves a pretty good length of tail - just long enough to wick properly, not so long that it plugs it up.

I was doing the same as you.. i didn't stuff the wick down actually, but still get dry hits occasionally...