nice clean What were you using before the Ekowool? I found cotton to be far more accommodating and flavourful compared to Ekowool.
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What were you using before the Ekowool? I found cotton to be far more accommodating and flavourful compared to Ekowool.
are you sure it's not your wick being not positioned right? GVC is pretty um... strong isn't quite the word.. but I can't imagine tasting cotton over gvc if it's wicking properly.
Situations like that are exactly why I keep a ziploc bag full of cotton balls in my desk at work.
I'm pretty sure. I didn't do too much different than my regular build. I get the GVC but the cotton overwhelms it. Just sucks. Maybe I have the wick pushed up against the wall too much? That could be the only thing I can think of different.
this is caused by the wick being too dense in the coil, need a little less cotton if you're getting more cotton taste than you normally have
It is definitely not that. Just went and did some surgery and took a bit of the wick out and readjusted it. It is definitely the cotton itself. Maybe this one ball was just different than the others. Idk. Gonna boil a bunch tonight and see what's up.
I boil mine and the only time I get excessive cotton taste is when my wick is too dense so I figured yours to be the same thing, without boiling I always get that cotton taste no matter the build so yeah, guess boiling is going to help for sure 
I boil mine and the only time I get excessive cotton taste is when my wick is too dense so I figured yours to be the same thing, without boiling I always get that cotton taste no matter the build so yeah, guess boiling is going to help for sure
Yeah I think it's def the cotton itself. I appreciate your help tho! I'll report back tomorrow after I boil some and see if it helped.
If your hands were dirty at all the cotton will pick up and taste like whatever is on them.
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Hey guys, I am wondering if anyone is vaping Bounty Hunter with micro coils & cotton in their kfl?? I'll vape both bounty hunter & NLV gold with the same setup & the gold always tastes great. Bounty hunter on the other hand just never seems to shine like it does with silica or even a carto for that matter. Sux, cuz that's my favorite juice! Just wondering if anyone has had similar outcomes or if it's just me? Thanks much!
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Feel free to try Rip's method.....but its completely different than a lot of us are doing over in the just hemp thread. I didn't listen to Rip's video (can't stand to hear him) so I don't know what he said, but I did see two major differences.
Before we get to the major differences....When making micro coils do yourself a favor and do what has been taught in this thread and many others....and that is squeeze the coil using some tweezers/etc and hit it with a butane torch. Rip's video could have been half the length if he would have used the technique.
1 - Don't leave a gap between the air hole and the coil. I have a Russian and 5/64" or 2mm drill bit fits perfect inside the air hole. I wrap the coil, then torch and squeeze, then put it back on the drill bit and insert the drill bit into the air hole, then make the coil connections. Leaving the drill bit in makes it much easier to make the coil connection and keep the coil centered over the air hole. After the coil connections are made I remove the drill bit and dry burn the coil and press down on the coil to further press the coils together and press against the air hole. Once that is to my liking (it might take two or three times) I put the drill bit back in while apply the wick.
2 - Wrap the coil fairly tightly similar to how Rip did it, but then fill the chimney tube to the top of the coil with loosely fluffed cotton/hemp, you don't want it packed tight but fill it up. As long as its not over packed it works just fine, it also helps with flooding from laying the atty on it side. Some will say that there Kayfun never floods.....but on a conventional Kayfun build it could very easily flood if the atty is laid so that one inlet opening is open to air and the other one is open to juice. I keep the drill bit in the coil until both stages of the wick is complete. Then I prime the wick in the chimney, put it back together and fill.
I've vaped both in the setup. Gold is amazing! I can't really say about bounty hunter as I made a mistake and got 12mg nic when I vape 6. It did seem a bit harsh which is to be expected I guess. But flavor seemed ok.
Feel free to try Rip's method.....but its completely different than a lot of us are doing over in the just hemp thread. I didn't listen to Rip's video (can't stand to hear him) so I don't know what he said, but I did see two major differences.
Before we get to the major differences....When making micro coils do yourself a favor and do what has been taught in this thread and many others....and that is squeeze the coil using some tweezers/etc and hit it with a butane torch. Rip's video could have been half the length if he would have used the technique.
1 - Don't leave a gap between the air hole and the coil. I have a Russian and 5/64" or 2mm drill bit fits perfect inside the air hole. I wrap the coil, then torch and squeeze, then put it back on the drill bit and insert the drill bit into the air hole, then make the coil connections. Leaving the drill bit in makes it much easier to make the coil connection and keep the coil centered over the air hole. After the coil connections are made I remove the drill bit and dry burn the coil and press down on the coil to further press the coils together and press against the air hole. Once that is to my liking (it might take two or three times) I put the drill bit back in while apply the wick.
2 - Wrap the coil fairly tightly similar to how Rip did it, but then fill the chimney tube to the top of the coil with loosely fluffed cotton/hemp, you don't want it packed tight but fill it up. As long as its not over packed it works just fine, it also helps with flooding from laying the atty on it side. Some will say that there Kayfun never floods.....but on a conventional Kayfun build it could very easily flood if the atty is laid so that one inlet opening is open to air and the other one is open to juice. I keep the drill bit in the coil until both stages of the wick is complete. Then I prime the wick in the chimney, put it back together and fill.
Thanks! I'm going to give this a try tonight. You don't get any shorts having the coil pushed down on the deck?
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Just make sure your bottom coil connection is on the same block as the air hole and that the top leg goes over to the smaller block.
Thanks Bapgood!
Excellent walk through. I tried to watch (not listen to) Rips video, but 30 minutes ROFL. You covered the whole technique in three pictures.
I just did your set-up and it works perfectly. Great post.
Excellent walk through. I tried to watch (not listen to) Rips video, but 30 minutes ROFL. You covered the whole technique in three pictures.
I just did your set-up and it works perfectly. Great post.
so, as I've shown here a few days ago, I opened up my feed channels slightly. from the many builds I've done on my kayfun 3.1 I've always felt that the juice delivery was a little lacking once the power level was raised, and to use it at 15 watts required extra effort regularly on my part to avoid dry hits. I've always had to compensate and it hasn't really been as auto feeding as I would have liked. it did feed enough to vape it at ~10 watts or less no problem though, and even at 10-11 watts it was a great feed but not as great of a vape. crank up the power and the vape improved but the feed started to lag. in contrast, my kayfun mini seems to feed a bit better and I wouldn't think the need to ever screw with the mini, it feeds well up to and even over 15 watts. actually my mini is the best atty I've ever used, making the full sized 3.1 just a little lacking in comparison, which is why I decided to play with the channels here. I have seen others say too that the mini edges out even the full sized kayfuns too, and having both I do agree.
opening up the feed is in effect very much like rejetting a carb, well opening the channels a bit has really made a difference in the feed, it now feeds easier. before, to take a primer puff I'd have to pull hard and get a few tiny bubbles raise up, after the mod I can take a less hard pull and get larger bubbles to come up with less effort.
after the mod when I built it the way I always have it winded up feeding too much, I went from being slightly under fed to now being over fed so I altered my build to suit the new setup.
second attempt I tried a little extra puff of hemp in the 2 side chambers and this proved to be too much reduction which brought me back to less feed and dry hits, so third build I decided on keeping the hemp wick but then using cotton for the extra puff in the sides and this has seemed to do it, been using this same build for 2 days now and it is working great, no dry hits at all ever, if I draw too much or too hard I can get it to oversaturate a bit still and even flood, but taking it easy it just feeds great at 15 watts and I'm getting really nice fully saturated vapes continuously, def not sorry I tried this, although honestly I think I did wind up going just a wee bit too much, now I have to adjust the flow with the build which isn't such a bad thing really
so with this modification it winds up now being adjustable feed, adjusted by the amount of extra cotton puff in the sides. if no extra cotton is used then it feeds too much but with the right amount of fill it is great and with too much fill it goes back to not feeding enough. from what I've been seeing I think that hemp winds up being a bit denser than cotton when saturated so hemp winds up blocking it a bit too much but then again this is only my first good build on this new setup so I'm sure after a few builds I'll get a feel for what's needed just as I originally did when it was stock.
I'm not going to go out and recommend anyone else really should go out and do this, and from experience now I can def say that a little goes a long way when it comes to opening the channels if you did decide to go that route. I have taken measurements and next time I open it up I'll confirm exactly how much material I winded up removing, but it is in and around the 10 thousandths range give or take a bit I think, i'll post exact when I confirm exact.
now with this setup I'm sure that this atty will work well at 20 watts and even more, it now comes down to how much extra cotton is stuffed in the 2 side chambers, it really now is adjustable, eventually I'll try her at higher wattage but right now I have it all set up with the collector tank to fit the semovar as a hybrid type fit so I can't just pop it onto a different mod atm, but I'll try a nice sub ohm high watt build in this thing soon enough, and now I know that it can def be built to keep up wicking at higher power levels. then, once I re establish a firm baseline here with my standard wicking I'll revisit my original vertical coils building again with the hemp and an extension for the long leg... who woulda thunk, hotrodding the kayfun is pretty cool
my bottom line, the kayfun has always been a little fiddly when trying to run higher power levels and almost invariably had trouble keeping up with wicking at high power levels no matter how I built it and always needed extra efforts to feed it to avoid dry hits, now it doesn't, and now it can be built to give even more feed than needed, so now it just simply comes down to building it "right" for it's new calibration. I also will try building it like the hydra as gdeal did tried in the hemp thread, quoted below. it didn't work out for him because the channels were too restrictive, but now, with this mod it might prove to be good like that too
opening up the feed is in effect very much like rejetting a carb, well opening the channels a bit has really made a difference in the feed, it now feeds easier. before, to take a primer puff I'd have to pull hard and get a few tiny bubbles raise up, after the mod I can take a less hard pull and get larger bubbles to come up with less effort.
after the mod when I built it the way I always have it winded up feeding too much, I went from being slightly under fed to now being over fed so I altered my build to suit the new setup.
second attempt I tried a little extra puff of hemp in the 2 side chambers and this proved to be too much reduction which brought me back to less feed and dry hits, so third build I decided on keeping the hemp wick but then using cotton for the extra puff in the sides and this has seemed to do it, been using this same build for 2 days now and it is working great, no dry hits at all ever, if I draw too much or too hard I can get it to oversaturate a bit still and even flood, but taking it easy it just feeds great at 15 watts and I'm getting really nice fully saturated vapes continuously, def not sorry I tried this, although honestly I think I did wind up going just a wee bit too much, now I have to adjust the flow with the build which isn't such a bad thing really
so with this modification it winds up now being adjustable feed, adjusted by the amount of extra cotton puff in the sides. if no extra cotton is used then it feeds too much but with the right amount of fill it is great and with too much fill it goes back to not feeding enough. from what I've been seeing I think that hemp winds up being a bit denser than cotton when saturated so hemp winds up blocking it a bit too much but then again this is only my first good build on this new setup so I'm sure after a few builds I'll get a feel for what's needed just as I originally did when it was stock.
I'm not going to go out and recommend anyone else really should go out and do this, and from experience now I can def say that a little goes a long way when it comes to opening the channels if you did decide to go that route. I have taken measurements and next time I open it up I'll confirm exactly how much material I winded up removing, but it is in and around the 10 thousandths range give or take a bit I think, i'll post exact when I confirm exact.
now with this setup I'm sure that this atty will work well at 20 watts and even more, it now comes down to how much extra cotton is stuffed in the 2 side chambers, it really now is adjustable, eventually I'll try her at higher wattage but right now I have it all set up with the collector tank to fit the semovar as a hybrid type fit so I can't just pop it onto a different mod atm, but I'll try a nice sub ohm high watt build in this thing soon enough, and now I know that it can def be built to keep up wicking at higher power levels. then, once I re establish a firm baseline here with my standard wicking I'll revisit my original vertical coils building again with the hemp and an extension for the long leg... who woulda thunk, hotrodding the kayfun is pretty cool
my bottom line, the kayfun has always been a little fiddly when trying to run higher power levels and almost invariably had trouble keeping up with wicking at high power levels no matter how I built it and always needed extra efforts to feed it to avoid dry hits, now it doesn't, and now it can be built to give even more feed than needed, so now it just simply comes down to building it "right" for it's new calibration. I also will try building it like the hydra as gdeal did tried in the hemp thread, quoted below. it didn't work out for him because the channels were too restrictive, but now, with this mod it might prove to be good like that too
Finally got my KFL back. I set up a hemp wick with straight fibers Aqua Style in the channels....Unfortunately, it didnt keep up with a sub-ohm coil. The KFL channels are too restrictive. The Aqua should fair better. No worries, just pulled the tails back out of the channels and went back to vape nirvana. This is out wicking any cotton setup I have put in the KFL. Another win for hemp fiber. (there really was no reason for doing Aqua style with KFL...purely one of those things you do...just because you can do it.
Flavors change when you switch setups. I find the good majority of time they change for the better in an RBA. But not necessarily. I always found it interesting how different setups/devices find different juice components to accentuate.
Thanks!! Yeah, gold is definitely a lot more pronounced with the cotton for me, & BH is kinda muted I guess is the word, it's weird... Oh well, just will try some different juices & c which ones work well.
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