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I can only say this.
According to our tests:
Tenergy CR123 Li-ion (blue), no good (low C rating)
Tenergy CR123 Lifepo4 (green and yellow) are good (C rating is the same, and even more, then AW)
AW CR123 Lifepo4 are good (C rating max is about 7C, while the tenergy Lifepo4 arrive at 8C)

These graphs summarize the comparison test between the batts Lifepo4 most popular (AW, Tenergy and Nobrand)
effective capacity at different discharge currents:


velocity (indicative) of heating


As can be seen in the last test, the Tenergy, from 2.5 A (corresponding 5C discharge rate) maintain a temperature inferior to the other.

In general, it is to say that, for the values ​​we use for vaping (up to 2A, corresponding to 4C) the AW prove more durable. In fact, from 2A to up, the Tenergy maintain a higher voltage for the first 150-180 mAh, then decays rapidly and their capacity is always much lower than the AW. The limit of discharge, whereas for all a nominal capacity of 500 mAh, seems to be around 7C for all (3.5 A). The Tenergy "holds" too 8C, but for a short time.
As the heating rate, given also the accuracy of measurements, the batteries seem to be "aligned" and have never reached dangerous levels, or of "attention". So are all to be considered safe.
This apart from the statements (of course precautionary) that can be read here, which are based on data reported by the company Tenergy (they too to be taken as precautionary and not real)
So who has the Tenergy, can feel comfortable as with the AW.:)
Who needs to buy new batt, take the AW, not because they are safer, but because they work a little better than the Tenergy Lifpo4 until 5-6C.

Of course, keep in mind that there are "no batteries" with "zero" risk, so any brand you choose, always pay attention to how you use it and to any anomalous behavior during the vaping (like unexpected overheating, because faulty batteries could always happen, whatever brand they are, and generally accidents are due - in the case of Lifepo4 - to rare cases of manufacturing defects
 
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Can I ask one more question? The Reo guide states we can use 1. the larger 3.7 volt batt 2. two stacked 3 volt batts or 3. a 5 volt batt. Does the fact that these are 3.2 volt instead of 3 volt factor in at all? And what kind of vaping experience does a 5 volt battery produce? I have the the big red AW 3.7 and now have ordered two setts of the AW LiFePO4 RCR 123a and the charger..... I was just curious about the 5 volt option/experience? Thanks for all the info and excellent guidance! I got two sets of batteries and the charger from Super T for a little over $30 bucks.. not bad at all:)
 

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The batteries will be a bit higher than 3.2 volts fresh off the charger and will droop in voltage as they discharge. Under load, the voltage drops about half a volt or less, so you'll probably be vaping at an actual 5.8 volts or somewhere around there.

The 5 volt batteries are okay, but kind of low in capacity. You could achieve a very similar experience with your two stacked 3.0 volt batteries and an atomizer or cartomizer with a little higher resistance.
 

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Well, I have Ikenvapes platinums and Boge 2.7s now..... is there another carto you'd suggest for higher voltage vaping?

I don't shop for cartos anymore. I still have plenty laying around and have grown to prefer atomizers, but the last time I looked around, cartos tend to jump from 3.0 ohm to 4.0 ohm and then 5.0 ohm with all of them having +/- 0.3 or so ohms variance. It's the nature of mass produced disposable items.

Lot's of folks are happy with 3.0 ohm (your 2.7 ohm Boges) at six volts. No harm in trying, but make sure they're wet!

Dual coil cartos work well at higher voltages too. With those, you can go down in resistance since they're two higher ohm coils wired in parallel and can handle higher voltages pretty well.
 

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I prefer the Boge or iKenvape 3.0 cartos at 6+ volts.

Yes, I'm a big Ikenvapes fan. Have any of you tried Hanna's new custom assembled cartos? I know they're expensive but was curious about them and if they're worth the investment? I hear the last for weeks or even months is treated properly?
 

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Yes, I'm a big Ikenvapes fan. Have any of you tried Hanna's new custom assembled cartos? I know they're expensive but was curious about them and if they're worth the investment? I hear the last for weeks or even months is treated properly?

I tried the io6s and tho they had great vapor, taste and long life I didn't like the tight draw which I was told was corrected/changed with the new batch that came out after the site went back up.
 

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Refresh your page if they aren't being added to the cart. You can also post in the Super T supplier forum to ask about inventory. David checks the forums daily and is super helpful.

You're looking for these:

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And one of these: (WF-138a)

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OK, I just got both the batts and the charger in the mail and the batteries DO NO FIT!!!!!!!! I'm so, so bummed. They sent me the WFA`188B for a 3.7 Volt batt. I'm going to go and see if this was their mistake or mine. Hopefully I'll be able to do a return.
 

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OK, I just got both the batts and the charger in the mail and the batteries DO NO FIT!!!!!!!! I'm so, so bummed. They sent me the WFA`188B for a 3.7 Volt batt. I'm going to go and see if this was their mistake or mine. Hopefully I'll be able to do a return.

Oh shoot. That kind of thing happens sometimes. I'm sure they'll make it right.

Tell them you need the WF-138A for RCR 123A and 16340 batteries and they sent you the WF-138B for 10440 and 14500 batteries.
 

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Oh shoot. That kind of thing happens sometimes. I'm sure they'll make it right.

Tell them you need the WF-138A for RCR 123A and 16340 batteries and they sent you the WF-138B for 10440 and 14500 batteries.

I did.. I wrote to them and posted on their ECF forum page.. no answer yet. I'm tempted to just order the correct changer and send the other one back for a refund? My TR-001 Trust-Fire lti-charger won't work on the 3.2 volts? I'm dying to get my 6 volt vape back... drat!
 

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DO NOT use your TR-001 with those batteries. Give them till the end of the business day tomorrow to respond. I'd bet 10 bucks they make it right.

Why do you say not to use 16340 batteries on the TR-001? I have the TR-001 and it says on the back that it will charge the 16340. I've been using it for them. Should I not for some reason?
 

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Why do you say not to use 16340 batteries on the TR-001? I have the TR-001 and it says on the back that it will charge the 16340. I've been using it for them. Should I not for some reason?

You've been charging the AW CR123 Lifepo4's on the TR-001? No issues? For how long? Are the "16340s" the same as the AW CR123 Lifepo4's? Sorry, I'm new at this.

Mudflaps, why isn't it safe? And yes, I WILL get that charger.. I'm sure they'll allow me to exchange the charger. I was just wondering if, in the meantime, I could use the TR-001. Until I know for sure one way or another, I'll keep vaping at 3.7 volts and wait it out. I just bought 2 sets of these batteries.. I do NOT want to mess them up!
 
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You've been charging the AW CR123 Lifepo4's on the TR-001? No issues? For how long? Are the "16340s" the same as the AW CR123 Lifepo4's? Sorry, I'm new at this.

Mudflaps, why isn't it safe? And yes, I WILL get that charger.. I'm sure they'll allow me to exchange the charger. I was just wondering if, in the meantime, I could use the TR-001. Until I know for sure one way or another, I'll keep vaping at 3.7 volts and wait it out. I just bought 2 sets of these batteries.. I do NOT want to mess them up!

No! I was talking about the 16340. The Lifepo4 batts use a special charger. And no, the 16340s are not the same as the AW CR123s.
 

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You've been charging the AW CR123 Lifepo4's on the TR-001? No issues? For how long? Are the "16340s" the same as the AW CR123 Lifepo4's? Sorry, I'm new at this.

Mudflaps, why isn't it safe? And yes, I WILL get that charger.. I'm sure they'll allow me to exchange the charger. I was just wondering if, in the meantime, I could use the TR-001. Until I know for sure one way or another, I'll keep vaping at 3.7 volts and wait it out. I just bought 2 sets of these batteries.. I do NOT want to mess them up!

The TR-001 is a 3.7v charger. Do not charge batteries that are not 3.7v batteries on this charger. It is bad for the batteries and dangerous.
Now...after doing a little searching....these are the 3.2v batteries....that need to be charged on the charger that mudflap suggested, NOT THE TR-001.
AW LiFePO4 RCR 123

And these batteries...are 3.7v and can be charged on a TR-001 charger. AW icr 123 / 16340 750mah 3.7v protected battery

Now having said all that....I'm no expert. Generally speaking, All I know is that you only want to charge batteries on the chargers that match their voltage. Otherwise you risk overcharging the batteries...and that is never a good thing. It can either destroy the battery's capacity to hold a charge or worse....it could cause the battery to vent...and short your mod.

If I'm wrong...I'm more than happy to stand corrected. :)
 

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The TR-001 is a 3.7v charger. Do not charge batteries that are not 3.7v batteries on this charger. It is bad for the batteries and dangerous.
Now...after doing a little searching....these are the 3.2v batteries....that need to be charged on the charger that mudflap suggested, NOT THE TR-001.
AW LiFePO4 RCR 123


And these batteries...are 3.7v and can be charged on a TR-001 charger. AW icr 123 / 16340 750mah 3.7v protected battery

Now having said all that....I'm no expert. Generally speaking, All I know is that you only want to charge batteries on the chargers that match their voltage. Otherwise you risk overcharging the batteries...and that is never a good thing. It can either destroy the battery's capacity to hold a charge or worse....it could cause the battery to vent...and short your mod.

If I'm wrong...I'm more than happy to stand corrected. :)

No, I think you've got it right:)
Yes I'm aware of both battery types, I have both.. I have the 3.7 volt batts for my Buzz Pro and use those on the Tr-001. It's called a multi-charger, so I didn't know how much variance the charger had in what it could charge and was unaware that it was strictly a 3.7. charger. Thanks for the info:) I ordered the correct charger but Super T made an error and I'm sure they'll get it sorted out and I'll soon have the correct Trustfire charger for my 3.2 volt batteries. I got a tad confused with the dialog between Mudflaps and tmcase.... it seemed like he MIGHT have been referring to the same battery type as what I have, so I asked. Like I said in my post, I had no intention of using that charger unless I was 100% sure it was safe. I see now that the charger in question charges BOTH the RCR 123A AND the 16340, which is where I got confused. I'm hoping I get a reply from Super-T today.. if not I might go ahead and just order the WF-138A today to go with the four 3.2 volt batts they sent me. I've been waiting for a week to get the 6-volt vaping back on my Reo. I get a higher voltage vape from my Buzz Pro but recently I've noticed a HUGE difference in how my juices taste in a Reo versus a tanked Mod. I'm just not liking the taste of tanked juice! I have both the VPX Cartomator from Nhaler and the M1a1 Buzz tank. I have the M1A1 on my Buzz and it seems to be distorting the flavor of the juices I've been adding to it. I actually enjoy vaping on my Reo at 3.7 more than my Buzz lately. Maybe I'll switch the VPX over the my Buzz.. I seem to get a cleaner taste from it. I think I'll go over to tank discussions and see if anyone else is having the same issues with their tank(s). This is (one reason) why I love my Reo so much... the flavors of my juices stay so fresh!
Thanks for the help everyone... I'm sure I'll get it sorted all out soon.
 
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Sigh. I'm an absolute battery dufus. The more I read, the more confused I get. So if someone can point me in the direction of what I need to buy, I'd be eternally grateful.

1. I want a vv woodville when they become available and I'll need batteries for it.

2. I'd like the batteries I use to be compatible with a Pila charger. I looked at AW IMR 16340 Batts and they are 550mAh. I've been reading that the Pila is not designed for Batts <600 mAh. Is that an issue?

3. I've also read that 18350 can be used in the vv woodville.

4. Will I need spacers to charge any of these batteries in a Pila?(other than the screw on ones that came with the charger)?

5. Where do I get the spacers and what type of spacer do I get(if it matters)?

6. if i need a different charger for one of these sets of batteries what type do I need?

Yeah, I'm confused here. If any of the answers to this have links with pictures of what I need, I'd be really, really happy.
 
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