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I had been charging my large 3.7 volt battery on my Tr-001 and fell asleep. When I woke up the light was green, the batteries were warm bit nit so hot that I thought putting them in my Reo would be a problem. I immediately did my normal routine of squeezing a bit if juice, taking a hit... and YUCK.. BURNING! SO I changed the carto, 10 minutes later... same thing, burning! I used some 2.7's next that weren't as important to me and at this point about an hour had passed at most. It started to vape normally... a cooler vape but still nice. I changed my juice and have been vaping normally since. I have the Tenergy for the 3 volts for my Buzz Pro. My husband has a not-so-cheap digital multi-meter that he paid at least $30 for..it should work great on my batts, etc. Perhaps it WASN'T over-charged, but I don't know ohow else to account for the burning cartos. How long do these batteries generally take to charge?


Just dropping in for a flash. How did you determine that your battery(s) are overcharged? And what are you considering over charged? I have a TR-001 but I've never used it. What I do use, besides a special, multi chemistry, multi voltage, sensing charger (but it won't take anything longer than a 14mm long battery (or A size), and specifically for my egic batteries, are the WF-139 (3.7 volt only) and WF-188 (switch for 3 or 3.7 volt charging, and a Tenergy for 3 volt only. I've never had any of the three later, that I use for our e-g mod batteries, over charge, despite occasionally leaving batteries on charger for many hours beyond light turning green. I do not recommend leaving the charging batteries unattended, and we always unplug them when we leave the house, but sometimes, many of us forget.

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These are the two meters I have.. one super simple battery tester and one more advanced digital version. I've already tested out the simple version (it rated my AW IMR 18650 3.7 as "good") but I a need 9 volt battery to run the digital and have to go pick one up before testing it out. If you click on images they enlarge but I also have a close-up of the digital model if anyone is curious. But yes, if the digital meter doesn't work I will buy the one suggested:)



Just any FYI.... before I got the very inexpensive MultiMeters from RTD, I pulled out my non-digital, old meter. It was not sensitive enough for testing ohm ratings on attys/cartos. It may have been that the MM just wan't in good condition being stored improperly for many years. I would advise springing for an inexpensive digital MM.

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Geez, why didn;' I think of that!? Thanks! Yeah, unless a battery is dead, which is usually pretty obvious, I'm not sure what the other meter could be used for with vaping.


That Micronta tester really doesnt give you the information you need. I would pull a 9v battery out of my smoke alarm and try the other meter. :)
 

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hello - so i've been wondering.

what's the difference between "AW 18650 Protected" and "AW IMR 18650" Does it make a difference which one I choose?

This is another question. In the previous posts were reporting the data on the performance of batteries CR123A model, and in particular a comparison of AW and Tenergy Lifepo4, which have a similar rating C and then, we believe, also similar security for the vaping.

Regarding your question, you're asking which of the two 18650 is preferable in terms of performance, right?
Look here: post # 2: http://www.esigarettaportal.it/forum/f59/dati-misurati-sulle-prestazioni-delle-batterie-9390/
We conducted tests between different brands of 18650, including AW IC, but not the AW IMR. In our results it appears that the best are the AW IC 2600mAh, which have a value of "real amperage" exceeding the one of the other. Poor were the AW IMR 18490 (the ones used on Midi). Unfortunately we have not done tests on AW IMR 18650.

Personally, about all the 18650 I prefer the AW IMR, which, probably have shorter duration of AW IC (ie, the Li-ion protected), but a higher voltage curve for most of their use, as indicated by tests made by Super T (bottom of the page): Super T Manufacturing, Innovative manufacturer of electronic cigarette products.

However, the question is very personal: I prefer the power, with respect to autonomy. So I prefer to change the batteries more often, but always have top performances:vapor:. Many others, instead, like batteries of longer life, though (in terms of voltage) they have a lower efficiency.
 
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Please excuse my Ignorance :facepalm: Was looking for a 4-6 battery charger and came across the AW IMR 18650 1600mAh or NEW* AW IMR 18650 2000 mAh at AW Batteries Larger Mah = longer life ?

If I recall correctly and if this information is correct, from tests run the 1600 version is better in an unregualted mod and the 2000 version better in a mod thats regulated. This test was run by the owner of Super T manufactering. Oh heck I'll find the thread for ya. Here it is, post number 20: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/super-t-manufacturing/258092-2000-mah-imr-batteries.html
 

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I'd say no. Instead, I'd suggest Super T Manufacturing or RTD Vapor to buy AW LiFePO4 RCR 123a batteries and a WF-138a charger. Use the 3 volt setting only to charge those batteries.


I already have the Tenergy charger. Will those batteries work that charger? I need to buy batteries that will work with the Tenergy charger. I've spent a fortune recently on my Reo and Buzz Pro (plus tanks).. so I can't afford a new charger when I already have one to use. At some point I'll upgrade if advised, but for now I want to buy something that will work with what I already have. Suggestions?
 

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I already have the Tenergy charger. Will those batteries work that charger? I need to buy batteries that will work with the Tenergy charger. I've spent a fortune recently on my Reo and Buzz Pro (plus tanks).. so I can't afford a new charger when I already have one to use. At some point I'll upgrade if advised, but for now I want to buy something that will work with what I already have. Suggestions?

There are two Tenergy chargers for RCR 123a batteries. One is for Li-ion batteries (blue & silver wrappers) and the other is for LiFePO4 batteries (green and silver or yellow and silver wrappers). According to one flashlight guru over at the candle power forums, they are not interchangeable, so if your Tenergy charger is the one for their LiFePO4 RCR 123a batteries, it should be fine to charge AW RCR123a LiFePO4 batteries. I don't know for a fact that both chargers are or are not interchangeable, but I wouldn't be willing to risk it.

Many Reo owners have used the Tenergy RCR123a batteries with no issues, but Tenergy has rated them as a 0.74C cell, which is too low to safely use for 6 volt vaping. I suggested the AW batteries because they have a much higher C rating and are therefore safer. Remember, you are putting the device up to your face when the worst result is likely to happen if it's going to happen, so spend a few extra dollars for better quality batteries, measure their voltages before and after charging, and flip the order they are stacked often to insure a near equal discharge from both batteries.

I found my happy place with AW IMR 18650's and LR atomizers, so I'm just going on what I've read. You can and should do your own reading on rechargeable batteries and make your own informed decisions.
 

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There are two Tenergy chargers for RCR 123a batteries. One is for Li-ion batteries (blue & silver wrappers) and the other is for LiFePO4 batteries (green and silver or yellow and silver wrappers). According to one flashlight guru over at the candle power forums, they are not interchangeable, so if your Tenergy charger is the one for their LiFePO4 RCR 123a batteries, it should be fine to charge AW RCR123a LiFePO4 batteries. I don't know for a fact that both chargers are or are not interchangeable, but I wouldn't be willing to risk it.

Many Reo owners have used the Tenergy RCR123a batteries with no issues, but Tenergy has rated them as a 0.74C cell, which is too low to safely use for 6 volt vaping. I suggested the AW batteries because they have a much higher C rating and are therefore safer. Remember, you are putting the device up to your face when the worst result is likely to happen if it's going to happen, so spend a few extra dollars for better quality batteries, measure their voltages before and after charging, and flip the order they are stacked often to insure a near equal discharge from both batteries.

I found my happy place with AW IMR 18650's and LR atomizers, so I'm just going on what I've read. You can and should do your own reading on rechargeable batteries and make your own informed decisions.

I don't dispute what you are saying about the C rating of the Tenergy RCR123a batteries but when I ask Carolina Vapes, they told me this: "The C rating of the Tenergy RCR123A Li-Ion batteries is 2C." That's quite a difference from .74C. I'm really confused on this and don't know what to believe. Did the .74C come directly from Tenergy? If it did, I would like to question Carolina Vapes about where they got 2C.
 

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I don't dispute what you are saying about the C rating of the Tenergy RCR123a batteries but when I ask Carolina Vapes, they told me this: "The C rating of the Tenergy RCR123A Li-Ion batteries is 2C." That's quite a difference from .74C. I'm really confused on this and don't know what to believe. Did the .74C come directly from Tenergy? If it did, I would like to question Carolina Vapes about where they got 2C.

The 0.74C number I got from Rolygate's reply to gorman in this post. I confess to still being foggy as to how C ratings are calculated. I think it has to do with the rated maximum discharge over a specified period of time.

Since I can find a manufacturer's or distributor's product specifications for most batteries, I can find out their rated maximum discharge. Using this information, along with their nominal rated voltage, and the resistance of the atomizer/cartomizer to be used, I plug in the values for voltage and resistance into an ohm's law calculator and it tells me how many amps the atomizer/cartomizer is demanding from the battery. If that number is greater than the rated maximum discharge of the battery, I know I don't want to use it.

For example:

The specs of the Tenergy LiFePO4 according to Tenergy can be viewed here.

450ma max discharge times two cells = 900ma (1000ma = 1 amp)

That's less than one amp. Using an ohm's law calculator, I plug in the nominal voltage of 6.4 volts (3.2 volts per battery X 2 batteries) and the resistance of an atomizer or cartomizer likely to be used with two stacked RCR 123a batteries, i.e., 3.0 ohms, and it tells me that atomizer is drawing 2.13 amps.

According to Tenergy, using them in this application is demanding 2.37 times the amperage these batteries can provide. That means these batteries are being stressed and that increases the chance they will fail. That failure could be venting gases, generation of heat, or a combination of both. I don't really know, and I don't want to find out first hand.

If I'm approaching this subject from the wrong angle, I'd be happy to be schooled by more knowledgeable folks. My formal education was centered around life sciences and agriculture and later on, law enforcement. I don't claim one ounce of expertise on the subject. I'm just striving to better understand it all.

Edit: fixed a typo that threw off the math a little
 
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I HAD the RCR123A 3 volt Tenergy batteries previously..... I got them from Reo owner Beans. I was told to swap out my stacking but have seen that issue disputed quite a bit in the battery chat on this forum. I am a new Reo user and spend as much time here researching as I can, but as a mother of two ( a toddler and an older special needs child), with a business to run there's only so much time I can spend researching. Plus, I have multiple devices. I have my Buzz Pro down...the charger, the batteries, the 801 cartos, etc. but I have only had my Reo for about a week and am learning as I go. I come here to get advice from more experienced users. I'm not sure why my two sets of batteries died at the same time. Beans gave them to me.. I have no idea how old they were. I had planned on buying my own eventually anyway. I know my larger red 3.7 volt IMR 18650 is newer and working fine.... but so far I think I prefer the higher voltage vaping. I had the Reo working at 6 volts, swapping out the two sets and they were working fine until yesterday when both sets seemed to die simultaneously. The 6 volt vaping on the Reo was the best vape I've had yet.. and I was very sad when they died. I wonder if I did something to kill them.. a small amount of juice DID spill out when changing a bottle and while I thought I cleaned out the inner casing I noticed later a bit of juice on the inner back plate. I'm not experienced enough to know if that can kill batteries or not. I know I didn't over-charge them..... but I did use them quite a bit over a period of a week. My voltage meter agrees... 3 are dead and one still reads as being usable. I don't mind paying more for safer/better batteries. If someone has a link or info about a specific battery that would work well with the Tenergy that charges the silver/blue Tenergies that would be great. if not, for now I'll just replace with the same batteries and upgrade later with new charger/different battery type if needed (when I can afford it)..... I was just curious if anyone had a suggestion for the best 3 volt battery to use in my situation. Thanks for the info... I was unaware that there were two Tenergy chargers and that they were not interchangeable. Like I said, I'm learning as I go here:) Thanks for your help.
 
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I'd say no. Instead, I'd suggest Super T Manufacturing or RTD Vapor to buy AW LiFePO4 RCR 123a batteries and a WF-138a charger. Use the 3 volt setting only to charge those batteries.

OK, I'm convinced.. now O just need to find a vendor that sells both the batts AND the charger you're suggesting. SUper T doesn't have the batteries you referred to... unless I missed them?

And RTD is out of stock also:(
 
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OK, I'm convinced.. now O just need to find a vendor that sells both the batts AND the charger you're suggesting. SUper T doesn't have the batteries you referred to... unless I missed them?

And RTD is out of stock also:(

Refresh your page if they aren't being added to the cart. You can also post in the Super T supplier forum to ask about inventory. David checks the forums daily and is super helpful.

You're looking for these:

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And one of these: (WF-138a)

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Got it!!! I have my cart full and have both the batteries and the charger... thanks so much! I'll get another set on PayDay and use my Buzz while these are charging for now:)



Refresh your page if they aren't being added to the cart. You can also post in the Super T supplier forum to ask about inventory. David checks the forums daily and is super helpful.

You're looking for these:

AWLifepo4.jpg




And one of these: (WF-138a)

zz2.jpg.w300h225.jpg
 
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