Let's Talk Nic Salts!

[bombastinator]

And your source for this?

good point. Should have added that. Now I have to dig it out again. It was in several places when I googled both n-tartrate and it’s hydride. There were several company’s selling the stuff and it was present on several of their sites. I’ll have to address it later though I’m running out of battery and time.

If you are referring to chemical dangers listed in such places as ICSC, note that warning applies to plain old nicotine --- nicotine sulfate and nicotine tartrate also have that chemical warning (since they have nicotine as a chemical component):

actually in the case of your nicotine link, i read it, it doesn’t. There are plenty of other warnings, which is very unsurprising as pure nic is hellatiously dangerous stuff which no one uses. N-sulfate iirc is (unsurprisingly) unvapable. I suppose it could be one of those “increase throat hit” salts. It’s not in the tartrate link of yours either. May mean nothing then.
ICSC 0519 - NICOTINE
ICSC 0520 - NICOTINE SULFATE
ICSC 0521 - NICOTINE TARTRATE

Now you can go and spread fear about heating ordinary nicotine -- in fact, nicotine-bitartrate must be safer because I gram of nicotine-bitartrate only has around 0.325 grams of that dangerous nicotine chemical that gives off the NOx and CO.[/QUOTE]
Actually I can’t because it isn’t there.

 

[jandrew]

good point. Should have added that. Now I have to dig it out again. It was in several places when I googled both n-tartrate and it’s hydride. There were several company’s selling the stuff and it was present on several of their sites. I’ll have to address it later though I’m running out of battery and time.
actually in the case of your nicotine link, i read it, it doesn’t. There are plenty of other warnings, which is very unsurprising as pure nic is hellatiously dangerous stuff which no one uses. N-sulfate iirc is (unsurprisingly) unvapable. I suppose it could be one of those “increase throat hit” salts. It’s not in the tartrate link of yours either. May mean nothing then.

ICSC 0519 - NICOTINE
ICSC 0520 - NICOTINE SULFATE
ICSC 0521 - NICOTINE TARTRATE

Now you can go and spread fear about heating ordinary nicotine -- in fact, nicotine-bitartrate must be safer because I gram of nicotine-bitartrate only has around 0.325 grams of that dangerous nicotine chemical that gives off the NOx and CO.

Actually I can’t because it isn’t there.

Learn to scroll down ... or at least search in the linked pages (hint: "chemical dangers' as I mentioned) ... your research skills are not very convincing.

 

[bombastinator]

Learn to scroll down ... or at least search in the linked pages (hint: "chemical dangers' as I mentioned) ... your research skills are not very convincing.

“Convincing”. Who am I trying to “convince”? I’m up front about who I am. It seems to me to be a very tactically chosen word.
A bit like that “wall of words” comment which is a different way of saying TLDNR.

As far as I can tell I did read it. I’ll read it again though. I scrolled to the bottom of the box.

Gonna take a while though. This is the last smidgen of my battery.

 

[Rossum]

pure nic is hellatiously dangerous stuff which no one uses.

Just because we're not allowed to talk about it here doesn't mean no one uses it.

 

[jandrew]

“Convincing”. Who am I trying to “convince”? I’m up front about who I am. It seems to me to be a very tactically chosen word.

By 'not very convincing' I mean I'll take further postings of yours with even more grains of salt (or salt-nic) than I already do -- especially ones that make claims or insuate dangers without any links or citations to back it up (which seems to be a not uncommon feature of your posts).

 

[bombastinator]

Just because we're not allowed to talk about it here doesn't mean no one uses it.

Well of course. Someone has to after all. My understanding is it’s a totally different animal behavior wise than even 100mg/ml though. Requires hefty protective equipment.

 

[bombastinator]

By 'not very convincing' I mean I'll take further postings of yours with even more grains of salt (or salt-nic) than I already do -- especially ones that make claims or insuate dangers without any links or citations to back it up (which seems to be a not uncommon feature of your posts).

Of course you will. Not that I think it will make any difference in the case of protonated nic. You were already making ridiculous claims about my attitude and intentions before this.

I’ve got some power again so I can look at that link again to see what you were talking about. Pretty sure I looked at the whole thing.....

...and yep. I looked at the whole thing the first time. The thing you say is there I can’t find at all.

What I DO find interesting is that it isn’t there in ANY of them including the tartrate though which makes me wonder about the concept. If there IS a similar claim for unprotonated that bit has already been tested and the NOx emissions are as close to zero as doesn’t matter. One thing the things I read didn’t mention was amount.

So the statement itself was false but the data still may prove the point.

 

[jandrew]

...
...and yep. I looked at the whole thing the first time. The thing you say is there I can’t find at all.
...

Here's a screenshot of the part of the page listing Physical and Chemical Information, containing the "Chemical dangers" warning:

Kind of hard to miss.

 

[Northstar6]

Anyone got a fork to stick in this one?

 

[bombastinator]

Here's a screenshot of the part of the page listing Physical and Chemical Information, containing the "Chemical dangers" warning:
View attachment 825191

Kind of hard to miss.

Your page layout is different than mine due to hardware I suspect. Took a sec. They spelled it I see. So much for “find”.

Well we know how much NOx that actually is and it’s near zero. IIRC folks went looking for it at one point.

 

[bombastinator]

Anyone got a fork to stick in this one?

Oh it was done long long ago. Before the whole tartrate thing even started. It’s about me daring to disagree with evangelists and being roasted for my presumption by any means. Has for a while now.

The bright side I guess is the “does n-tartrate have meaningful levels of NOx?” Thing appears to be vanishingly unlikely. That was at least real.

Doesn’t explain why they avoided putting it in vapes many years ago when the big drug companies had the opportunity to do so and make a bunch of money yet didn’t. Also doesn’t explain why other unprotonated nics are being used instead. JUUL could have just used it instead and avoided acres of hassle.
Goes for the drug companies too. If it’s been considered safe for so long why do sprays even exist? Why was unprotonated nic ever even used? It’s shelf life is bare fractions of protonated nics. There’s a whole bunch of why that isn’t being answered.
I hate all this hidden garbage. The drug companies are untrustable because of privatized science and marketing. There’s unknown after unknown.

 

[classwife]

Deep breaths and chill out please

 

[MetalSteve]

Think I'm going to try a new salt-nic e-liquid today. Looking for fruity/candy suggestions. Anybody?

Have you tried any of Aqua's salt line?

 

[Tinksfloppyears]

Have you tried any of Aqua's salt line?

Nope, not yet. But I did just pick up a bottle of Pacha Mama Salts, and damn... its good. Charlies Dust I think is the name of the flavor, kinda apple-ish. Light, fruity, and tasty. Using it in my new Berserker V1.5 that I just got, and btw first build came in at .88ohms, and is wicking like a dream. First ever build.

My bad, I think the name of the flavor is Fuji, still good.

 

[MetalSteve]

Nope, not yet. But I did just pick up a bottle of Pacha Mama Salts, and damn... its good. Charlies Dust I think is the name of the flavor, kinda apple-ish. Light, fruity, and tasty. Using it in my new Berserker V1.5 that I just got, and btw first build came in at .88ohms, and is wicking like a dream. First ever build.

My bad, I think the name of the flavor is Fuji, still good.

That sounds good. I like Aqua Sour Melon- it tastes like a Jolly Rancher. I'm finishing a tank of Salty Man Pink Milk now. It's ok but I'd get a different brand next time I look for a strawberry milk.

 

[Tinksfloppyears]

Sour Melon sounds right up my ally, I'll hafta look it up for sure. Thanks for the tip.

 

[DarrenMG]

Pod Juice's Jewel Tobacco, 35mg. Tobacco juices are usually not my preferred choice (though Naked 100 makes a couple I enjoy), but this nic salt on a pod is close enough to the real thing that I finally stopped backsliding.

 

[Tinksfloppyears]

Pod Juice's Jewel Tobacco, 35mg. Tobacco juices are usually not my preferred choice (though Naked 100 makes a couple I enjoy), but this nic salt on a pod is close enough to the real thing that I finally stopped backsliding.

Nice. whatever it takes to get off the stinky sticks.

 

[MetalSteve]

I mentioned this bundle in another thread, but I think TBD Liquids deserves some attention here too. They have a brand new salt line and I got all three varieties including two testers of "mystery flavors."

I've tried Monkey Juice (strawberry banana milkshake in 50mg) and one of the mystery flavors (25mg, I think it's honeydew and something). They're both amazing.

I'll report back once I try the other flavors, assuming this thread survives.

 

[Tinksfloppyears]

Whelp, picked up a bottle of Nasty Juice - Cush Man salt nic on Monday. I've used this e-liquid many many time in pod systems and have enjoyed its mellow-ness and gentle flavor. I decided I to try it out in the Berserker V1.5 expecting really great flavor, and it was, except it was almost too much. Maybe I just used the prior e-liquid for too many days straight and my palet wasn't expecting the flavor profile.

Guess its time to try out some of you'alls suggestions.