Link to webcast of Dec. 17 FDA Public Hearing on NRT & Innovative Products
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These ppl have there heads up there a__es. This is just a dog an pony show. Do not be fooled by then illusion.
That is the point I am making, Glaxo has way more money than Philip Morris, So their products ARE allowed.
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I am sorry to realize that I found out about this too late and it has already gone down. I am just finding out about this now, at 2am. I have gone back through 2 posts but I am just too tired to continue. If anyone would LIKE to sum up everything that has transpired from this, that would be lovely. If I gave up 5-6 pages too soon to read a sum-up, I will come back to this thread tomorrow and continue reading on. Thank you to anyone and everyone that 1. brought this to our attention 2. attended the meeting 3. contributed to our side of the fight. 4. etc. etc. etc, a million times, thank you all!!!
I hope this isn't anywhere near "the" end, dear friends. There is no end in sight in my opinion.
I am sorry to realize that I found out about this too late and it has already gone down. I am just finding out about this now, at 2am. I have gone back through 2 posts but I am just too tired to continue. If anyone would LIKE to sum up everything that has transpired from this, that would be lovely. If I gave up 5-6 pages too soon to read a sum-up, I will come back to this thread tomorrow and continue reading on. Thank you to anyone and everyone that 1. brought this to our attention 2. attended the meeting 3. contributed to our side of the fight. 4. etc. etc. etc, a million times, thank you all!!!
I hope this isn't anywhere near "the" end, dear friends. There is no end in sight in my opinion.
I apologize if this was already been addressed in this thread.
Is there somewhere a complete written transcript of this meeting?
I personally am in an area where anything resembling a broadband Internet connection fast enough to stream video.
For me being able to download a PDF to txt file to read and refer to when discussing these proceedings.
Thank you in advance for the help
Is there somewhere a complete written transcript of this meeting?
I personally am in an area where anything resembling a broadband Internet connection fast enough to stream video.
For me being able to download a PDF to txt file to read and refer to when discussing these proceedings.
Thank you in advance for the help
So I watched all of the presentations today, and I think this COULD be a day we all look back on and say this was the turning point...
We had three groups, often with competing interests, all coming together to agree on something.
Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, and The Rest of Us Who Don't Want to Die.
We all agreed that the FDA should recognize that nicotine is not the devil, and never really was.
We all agreed that smoke is what kills, and everything else is just a footnote.
Will the FDA listen? Will they care? And what about the ANTZ now?
We had three groups, often with competing interests, all coming together to agree on something.
Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, and The Rest of Us Who Don't Want to Die.
We all agreed that the FDA should recognize that nicotine is not the devil, and never really was.
We all agreed that smoke is what kills, and everything else is just a footnote.
Will the FDA listen? Will they care? And what about the ANTZ now?
From that last post I am getting that... We may not be in any serious trouble at the moment?
I wonder how long it will be before we'll see an Electronic Nicorette® Inhalator (15mg) with blueberry muffin flavour?
Probably 6 years after the nicorette 15mg fried donkey poop inhaler comes out? Their gum STILL tastes like black pepper and chemicals. lol.
Uh probably not sadly. We may get a few laughs from more of the nonsense they spew though it is sometimes hard to laugh about this stuff because these folks are so thoroughly indoctrinated and uninformed.
Here is what I think could happen and I'm only half serious.
If the ANTZ and the FDA stop complaining and lying about THR and vaping then they will have little to no funding for jobs, phony studies, articles and no kids to manipulate through their "mentoring programs". I'd be willing to bet that J $ J and their foundations for propaganda about most everything like "The Really Wonderful Way to Lie and Hide Facts Foundation" aka {R.W.J. Foundation} will probably move on to booze, safer "Lemon Pledge" "Dusting can be lethal" {if you use our products!} and the right way to pick your nose and continuing trying to tell you that contraceptives are safe....unless they make them because they are after all a "Johnson & Johnson Family company"!
just a tiny rant perhaps?
Link to the J$J lawsuits FDA link
J&J Paid $68 Million to Settle Birth-Control Cases (Update3) - Bloomberg
I don't believe that has ever been proven by any study.
C.B.
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I had a wonderful time! Truly, I encourage everyone to participate in this sort of circus at least once. Normally, you have to pay to witness shows like this. 
I had a wonderful time! Truly, I encourage everyone to participate in this sort of circus at least once. Normally, you have to pay to witness shows like this.
I think that's a safe bet. This has been going on for as long as I have been a member here. Fear spreads quicker when you first start vaping because we don't want to lose the thing that keeps us off cigarettes. Besides paying a few extra dollars in taxes(Which should have already happened by now IMO),e-cigs are here to stay.
Wiz!
That's what they SAY. Want to know the truth? Two reasons (1) it LOOKS like smoking and they want to denormalize and demonize tobacco and smoking. So anything that isn't bad for you that still looks like smoking is bad in their twisted little brains and (2) they are more concerned about "saving" people from nicotine addiction than they are saving lives by getting people to quit exposing themselves to smoke. That is made very clear watching the hearing videos.
AND it's "Big Pharma" and its paid shills like the ALA, ACS and CFTFK lobbying, NOT "Big Tobacco."
It's important to know who the REAL enemy is.
That's honestly a valid and great point except for #1 listed above AND they've found nicotine in e-cigarettes labeled as 0 mg.
CASAA: CASAA testifies at FDA hearing
I had a wonderful time! Truly, I encourage everyone to participate in this sort of circus at least once. Normally, you have to pay to witness shows like this.
Join CASAA and we'll keep the entertainment coming with plenty of these things for you!
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Anyone know the durations of the multiple Adobe Connect Pro videos posted at FDA?
I think that's a safe bet. This has been going on for as long as I have been a member here. Fear spreads quicker when you first start vaping because we don't want to lose the thing that keeps us off cigarettes. Besides paying a few extra dollars in taxes(Which should have already happened by now IMO),e-cigs are here to stay.
Wiz, the only way they should be able to add anything in the way of sin taxes to a product that has proven to be of such a low risk so far is if they apply the same to coffee and caffeine containing products. To the best of my knowledge energy drinks have caused more deaths and hospitalizations then E-cigarettes as they can be ingested without causing the quick return to sender that nicotine causes. Sales and normal commerce taxes, yes, but that applies to anything sold on the web and is something that all governments have to deal with.
There is only one reason that Big Pharma and their bedmates in government want to see high taxes on these products, loss of income to both as there is no proven health reason for them.
I'm duping the files over to MPEG4 encoded AVI, likely easier to view for some people. Enjoying getting a chance to see some of the presentations I missed originally
Loving the CC -- "we are thinking about some people who can benefit from those stocks" -- panel member comments after a speaker urged removing Chantix approval (typo or misspoken, but still classic )
Loving the CC -- "we are thinking about some people who can benefit from those stocks" -- panel member comments after a speaker urged removing Chantix approval (typo or misspoken, but still classic
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Point taken NOA! I was more or less referring to a sales tax than higer taxes based on a low risk product like e-cigs. I do agree that energy drinks cuase a greater health risk. As a snuff user I have already seen the effects of "sin taxes". Unless e-cigs are labeled permenantly as a tobbacco product I would not expect those taxes to apply.
Wiz!They were each approximately 1 hour and 50 minutes, give or take.
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