Local NW Floridian with severe injuries from exploding ecig battery

[Rocketman]

Trusted?

Like this is safe, trust me?

Expertise is perceived.

Either by the expert, or by those dazzled by the


- - and that wasn't to fan the fire either.

Just so many experts around here. But not as many as there are cell phones

 

[Scotay87]

Hey guys... I wonder if the vendors that have Tom Holloway's name in their database and any invoices with PV's on them are having their pucker factor increase...

 

[Batsu]

Trusted?

Like this is safe, trust me?

Expertise is perceived.

Either by the expert, or by those dazzled by the


- - and that wasn't to fan the fire either.

Just so many experts around here. But not as many as there are cell phones

no expert here, just well read. but if someone does have a technical engineering background i would take their words a little more seriously than someone who does not.

 

[Rocketman]

Scotay,

What if he was a collector and had 40 to 50 different mods.

pucker factor seems to be an allowable term here

 

[Rocketman]

I agree Batsu.

But how many follow what sounds like what they want to here?

In Roly's case it doesn't matter. The 'Official Position' of the forum, with an implied 'protect the vape',

does protect the administration.

Even if Roly was a used car salesman.

Position is position. Someone not following
the rules' will probably have to find another forum.


If you want sound engineering advice, buy AW and Pila.

Done deal.


and what's wrong with


Know which end is the weak end for non-technical advice?

 

[Pav]

If you put nitro methane in your prius, is Toyota liable for screwed up valves and gaskets?

That's why auto manufacturers sell their vehicles with a giant user's manual warning against any kind of modification or misuse which will void the warranty and absolve them of responsibility if directions for use are not followed.

Like I said, something is going on here, and I don't know exactly what it is yet.
If this were a cell phone, laptop, automobile, electric toothbrush, electric razor, or any other number of things, we would have had all of the details by now....news would be everywhere about recalls.

What's going on in this case is just lazy uninformed journalism imo.

Of course it's also not being mentioned here that other products like cars, phones, cameras have a much higher rate of use and acceptance rate than ecigs. If there were 2 million users of ecigs in the USA today (a number I've heard but can't verify) that still pales in comparison to the over 200 million registered vehicles we have or 300 million plus cellphones.

List of countries by number of mobile phones in use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These products are simply regarded as different because they have an accepted necessary use. Ecigs don't share that perception now.

 

[Scotay87]

Scotay,

What if he was a collector and had 40 to 50 different mods.

pucker factor seems to be an allowable term here

Doubtful he was much of a collector... If he was more than likely he would have been a member of this or one of the other vaper forums and we would have the info we all are on the edge of our seats to hear... "IF" he is a member and has not spoken up it would be safe to surmise his lawyer has a muzzle on him... If the latter is true it could be some time before we get pertinent info...

 

[Rocketman]

and just one more conspiracy theory.

If the exact set of circumstances are known, i.e., model, batteries, charger, even a little bit about user practices, what would happen in this forum f that info was released? How many 'experts' would analyze what was reported?

What would be the prognosis of the vendor or modder? How many people would point a guilty finger, before the jury was in

Almost 500 posts here. Hope ECF has the bandwidth to handle it when the real info is posted.

Bet it's via a 'leak'

Can't wait for all the new experts when that happens.

 

[Batsu]

and just one more conspiracy theory.

If the exact set of circumstances are known, i.e., model, batteries, charger, even a little bit about user practices, what would happen in this forum f that info was released? How many 'experts' would analyze what was reported?

What would be the prognosis of the vendor or modder? How many people would point a guilty finger, before the jury was in

Almost 500 posts here. Hope ECF has the bandwidth to handle it when the real info is posted.

Bet it's via a 'leak'

Can't wait for all the new experts when that happens.

regardless of what happens, im gonna keep on vaping

 

[thenut]

I'm vaping right now like a wildman, just reading this thread. (I'm also closing my eyes, and taking really quick hits).

 

[rustybikes]

First, I'm very sorry this happened to Tom. The fact that he was using a PV to quit smoking because of health issues from smoking previously is a natural progression that many of us make. I recall mention that he already has lung cancer, making this event not just tragic, but horrifyingly ironic. I've been through some traumatic, life-changing injuries that were the direct result of the activity I was engaged in at the time, but I'd take all those (even having my teeth blown out) over the cancer option. He will heal, as I did, from his injuries. I do hope that he gets back to vaping and, if necessary, further educate himself on battery technology and the dangers we all face from using 'em this way. Seriously - fast recovery, Tom!

For myself, I got religion from one of of Technonut's posts, and did my own replication of his demonstration of the raw performance characteristics of LiON vs Li-Mn (IMR). The results hit home so completely, I immediately went and ordered up enough AW-IMRs to replace all the "protected" LiONs I was using in my daily mods. They're all used in REOs (Minis and Grands - no wood (sorry Karen! ), and there's been a fair amount of discussion what the effect of catastrophic failure of an IMR in a REO. I remain confident that I'll have a few seconds notice of a failure in progress that I probably won't suffer any significant injury in that scenario. Might break a window as I throw my REO away in the panic that would ensue, but that's easy enough (and not life-changing to clean up) to do, the worry factor is pretty low in my world.

I saw mention a few pages back that to be 100% safe would be to simply stop vaping. Wrong. There are plenty of things, in this modern life, that have a statistically higher/similar chance to kill/maim, so even if you stop vaping, you're still not gonna be 100% safe.

Anyway, it's all speculation and pontification until we have more information about what exactly happened (device, batt, etc.) in FL last week. Until we have more info, I'm probably done thinking about this for now. Except to say (again) - Good luck Tom! Hope you get feeling better quickly!

 

[Scotay87]

Doubtful he was much of a collector... If he was more than likely he would have been a member of this or one of the other vaper forums and we would have the info we all are on the edge of our seats to hear... "IF" he is a member and has not spoken up it would be safe to surmise his lawyer has a muzzle on him... If the latter is true it could be some time before we get pertinent info...

I just had an epiphany... It also very likely Mr. Holloway is aware of this forum and this thread. Early on a letter/email was posted by a moderator from a neighbor when the talk was about if this was real or rehash of old. If a neighbor is willing to go to the length of sending an email to a forum they have no association with one would guess that they would relay to him or his family they have done so.

What I said is pure speculation but its possible...

 

[Semiretired]

and just one more conspiracy theory.

If the exact set of circumstances are known, i.e., model, batteries, charger, even a little bit about user practices, what would happen in this forum f that info was released? How many 'experts' would analyze what was reported?

What would be the prognosis of the vendor or modder? How many people would point a guilty finger, before the jury was in

Almost 500 posts here. Hope ECF has the bandwidth to handle it when the real info is posted.

Bet it's via a 'leak'

Can't wait for all the new experts when that happens.

Even when more details are leaked or released it will most likely be from a person that either does not know or will not release all the variable type questions that would need to be answered. PV, batt, usage, age of devices, vaping techniques (30sec draws vs 5 sec), etc... Conjecture will go rampant...

 

[Batsu]

I saw mention a few pages back that to be 100% safe would be to simply stop vaping. Wrong. There are plenty of things, in this modern life, that have a statistically higher/similar chance to kill/maim, so even if you stop vaping, you're still not gonna be 100% safe.

what i meant when i said that was "the only way to be 100% safe from an ecig battery blowing your face off is to stop vapeing. "

 

[rustybikes]

what i meant when i said that was "the only way to be 100% safe from an ecig battery blowing your face off is to stop vapeing. "

Ah. Okay.. Maybe I'll chalk that up to a reading-comprehension fail. As for what you just posted, I agree, er.. 100%

 

[Rocketman]

Rusty, you are the winner of the 500th post prize

 

[rustybikes]

Rusty, you are the winner of the 500th post prize

OH!!! I didn't even think of that! So, what's the prize?? What is it?? WHAT IS IT????

 

[Batsu]

OH!!! I didn't even think of that! So, what's the prize?? What is it?? WHAT IS IT????

i liked the post, that should be enough

 

[gumchewer]

Lot of talk about chargers.
Is it safe to assume that the common USB charger that plugs right in to the end of the PV and goes in either the PC or wall transformer is considered ok?
specifically with an Ultrafire XSL 18650 2600mah 3.7?

Hate to be a nudge (noodge), but I was really looking for an answer to that.
I know there is some real experience in this thread.

 

[Calypso53]

Hate to be a nudge (noodge), but I was really looking for an answer to that.
I know there is some real experience in this thread.

I'd like to know too, but I doubt anyone here's gonna unequivocally say "yes that's okay". Another question: I've seen all of the things to do regarding batteries now to do what we can to prevent something like this awful accident. One of those things is to "test fire" the PV right after it's done charging, held away from the face. That makes sense, but the question is how do you do that with an "automatic" battery that doesn't have a push button??