No facts so far, just fear.
Well that, and a healthy smattering of information to help others lessen their chances of blowing up their faces.
Local NW Floridian with severe injuries from exploding ecig battery
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Well that, and a healthy smattering of information to help others lessen their chances of blowing up their faces.
It really depends on what happened.
If I was using a mod without proper safety features, and inadequate warnings, I might consider suing.
And that comes from someone who is adamantly opposed to suing people without extremely good reasons.
Depending on the severity of my injuries, and the future disadvantages that come with those injuries...
And depending on the degree of negligence on the part of the manufacturer...
I might settle for a reasonable sum, or I might sue them into the ground.
In other words, I really don't know without knowing what's up with all that.
If it was basically my fault I would inform the electronic cigarette community as soon as reasonably possible.
But that's only because I'm part of said community, which Mr. Holloway may not be.
And then I would apologize profusely to said community for having screwed things up so bad.
Exactly my feelings.
BINGO!
If I fvcked up, out of my sense of responsibility and my ability to fess up, I'd let this community know how and why.
If I followed all the instructions/cautions, then yes, I'd be seeking legal advice. Ergo, no pre-suit info if recommended by counsel.
Therefore, I predict that we won't know snit unless this goes to a civil suit trail OR Tom will disclose what happened and how.
I'm not gonna hold my breath and wring my hands in the interim!
I know I have a bit more experience with lithium batteries than most using pv's but every lithium battery I have purchased including ego's have a warning in the literature that accompanies them stating the dangers. Sure they are not the best and most could be better but it is there. If you didn't read it then shame on you. If the manufacturer didn't include the warnings then shame on them and they invited litigation. Problem is who are you going to sue? Can't sue the Chinese so that only leaves the place you bought it from. Not going to get much from mom and pop running it out of their garage so we are back to personal responsibility. The government can't protect you despite all the brain washing saying they will
Woow.. Im late to the party.. I spent the last 2 hours reading all 65 pages
interesting
Im speculating here, like the rest of the members, but makes sense that he was using a mod and stacked batteries. If he was using a mod he built himself, how could he possibly sue? If he was using a mod that he purchased, then yes me might have a case. Maybe he was asking for the device back because he did make it him self, and he doesnt want people to see that he screwed it up?? Who knows.. all speculations
But in my opinion, I think if we was vaping for 2+ years, and he had a lot of batteries, and multiple devices (as seen on face book pictures), then he was using a home built or a custom built mod.. of some sort dont think a law suit will happen if thats the case I think we wants the case back for personal reasons and not law suit reasons..
I know if this happened to me, and I was using something I made, then lesson learned and there is nothing I can do about it. Just post about it here and educate everyone else. If I purchased it from a well know company, and the device was NEW (not a year+ old) then I would consider a law suit of some sort.. (of course if its a mom and pop shop, nothing is to be gained at all) But if the device was old, or I was using it in a way it shouldnt then a law suit couldnt be won.
But in my opinion, I think if we was vaping for 2+ years, and he had a lot of batteries, and multiple devices (as seen on face book pictures), then he was using a home built or a custom built mod.. of some sort dont think a law suit will happen if thats the case I think we wants the case back for personal reasons and not law suit reasons..
I know if this happened to me, and I was using something I made, then lesson learned and there is nothing I can do about it. Just post about it here and educate everyone else. If I purchased it from a well know company, and the device was NEW (not a year+ old) then I would consider a law suit of some sort.. (of course if its a mom and pop shop, nothing is to be gained at all) But if the device was old, or I was using it in a way it shouldnt then a law suit couldnt be won.
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just more speculation...
If the user were using one of these so called modified turbocharged hyper-vapor devices with rechargeable lithium ion batteries that the news made mention of, and the injuries caused from the fragmentation of one of these modified turbocharged hyper-vapor devices upon explosion, would it then be a legal case aimed at the manufacturer or reseller of that device, the manufacturer of the batteries that exploded, the manufacturer of the atomizer that put that causal load on the device before the battery or batteries exploded, the charger that put the current in those batteries, a combination of these or something else altogether?
If the user were using one of these so called modified turbocharged hyper-vapor devices with rechargeable lithium ion batteries that the news made mention of, and the injuries caused from the fragmentation of one of these modified turbocharged hyper-vapor devices upon explosion, would it then be a legal case aimed at the manufacturer or reseller of that device, the manufacturer of the batteries that exploded, the manufacturer of the atomizer that put that causal load on the device before the battery or batteries exploded, the charger that put the current in those batteries, a combination of these or something else altogether?
My guess is the charger and batteries come with warnings and instructions and were properly engineered. Some of these devices are not properly engineered and in fact are made in someones garage. They in my mind should be held libel. Mods are fine and someone making them in their garage or home is cool but as soon as you start producing them for sale it is no longer a mod but a product and they shouldnt sell them without proper safety engineering and R&D behind it. Of course I know nothing of the law and this is just what makes sense in my mind.
I came to this post while doing my research on adding a 6v mod to my collection. Have a buddy who uses one and loves it, plus I've been at this for a couple of years so thought it was time for some new toys.
I read through all 66 pages (as of today) and saw a couple of links to a seemingly reliable source of this story (I leave that judgement up to the readers) that I had actually come across myself before landing here. Apparently subsequent posters never saw them or followed the links to them as reflected by the posts saying no one knows anything about what happened.
While not definitive in all details (the poster admits he doesn't have enough himself), I thought it may shed a little more light (or at least cut down on the speculative "he made it himself so he gets what he deserves" posts):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/196065-why-no-vents-v3-1-a.html - Post #10
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/79545-so-discussion-exploding-batteries-4.html - post #32
Note that both posts have been locked and the manufacturer has pulled the 6v kit from their site, purely as a precaution I'm guessing. Also, re-reading them today, I noticed some posts that used to be there are no longer there. Not making any judgements, just observations.
I'm not suggesting that this is THE event in question, but sure seemed too coincidental to me not to be. And again, it doesn't state EXACTLY what was being done when the incident occurred.
I read through all 66 pages (as of today) and saw a couple of links to a seemingly reliable source of this story (I leave that judgement up to the readers) that I had actually come across myself before landing here. Apparently subsequent posters never saw them or followed the links to them as reflected by the posts saying no one knows anything about what happened.
While not definitive in all details (the poster admits he doesn't have enough himself), I thought it may shed a little more light (or at least cut down on the speculative "he made it himself so he gets what he deserves" posts):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/196065-why-no-vents-v3-1-a.html - Post #10
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/79545-so-discussion-exploding-batteries-4.html - post #32
Note that both posts have been locked and the manufacturer has pulled the 6v kit from their site, purely as a precaution I'm guessing. Also, re-reading them today, I noticed some posts that used to be there are no longer there. Not making any judgements, just observations.
I'm not suggesting that this is THE event in question, but sure seemed too coincidental to me not to be. And again, it doesn't state EXACTLY what was being done when the incident occurred.
Isn't this a completely different incident, I believe something like this happened in January which seems to be what you are quoting......but the incident in this thread happened on 2/13 to someone in Florida. That victim, Tom Holloway, isn't talking and no one who knows him is. This whole thread of 66 pages is nothing but speculation.
And sometimes chargers like this one are used, and advertised by the manufacturer and reseller as being compatible with all types of batteries but then they pump .5 Amps (500mA) or more into a battery like a 10440 or CR2 that even despite the label on the battery may only have 300-350mAh (or less) and so should only be charged at 300-350mA (or less). Some chargers say they cut off at 4.2V and don't, some say they're "smart" but not smart enough to know when to stop, or if there is a polarity issue, or the cell is dead, or if the chemistry and voltage is mismatched. Then there's (3.2V) batteries like these that clearly state on the manufacturer website they have a max continuous discharge rate of .45 Amps, but are widely used in devices that demand 4 or 5 times that amount, and 3.7V batteries in that size, protected and unprotected that have troubling and/or conflicting info. Then there are all types of batteries that don't have any specs., some just say they are IMR or IFR or something else but give no useful data to tell if they should be used to vape with at all, let alone stacked. And then there's batteries that are "protected" or "safe" or branded by one manufacturer but no records or confirmation of that manufacturer producing those cells can be found, or what's really going on with them.
Sometimes these problematic chargers, batteries, etc. are recommended, sometimes just found through a search, and sometimes sold by one vaping vendor or another for general use or with devices that they manufacture or sell. The latter definitely seems like it could be an issue, but sometimes it seems like the interplay of any number of factors could be at work before the device is even brought into play. Maybe the device is a carrier of the problem or maybe a catalyst, but was something going to go wrong anyway? If a blowout plug prevents the adapter and atomizer from knocking out your teeth, but knocks the dog's eye out and the battery ignites the afghan, is it still the device? If the elongated side vents sear the hand but save major damage, is it the device? Maybe...I am genuinely curious.
I do think this whole incident is real, and it's very unfortunate. I hope the victim makes a full recovery, and I hope we'll find out what was being used, how it was being used, for how long, under what conditions, and can then generate a whole new set of questions and concerns about that which may ultimately be helpful to us all...but the fear and confusion prompted by all of the unknowns and later by the unknowns of the unknowns, is definitely giving one of my favorite "hobbies" a very bad rap right now as other "explosions" or "incidents" have also done in the past. I have no doubt that this too will blow over to some extent, even with a measure of collateral damage to the community, but most of all I hope everyone new, old, and in between will take the time (and money if necessary) to make the most informed decisions on what they buy, what they sell, what's ultimately being done with it, and what they then recommend to others.
Just my solitary, unstacked, ever so slightly modified cent. No safer than anyone elses, but probably not any more dangerous either.
Sometimes these problematic chargers, batteries, etc. are recommended, sometimes just found through a search, and sometimes sold by one vaping vendor or another for general use or with devices that they manufacture or sell. The latter definitely seems like it could be an issue, but sometimes it seems like the interplay of any number of factors could be at work before the device is even brought into play. Maybe the device is a carrier of the problem or maybe a catalyst, but was something going to go wrong anyway? If a blowout plug prevents the adapter and atomizer from knocking out your teeth, but knocks the dog's eye out and the battery ignites the afghan, is it still the device? If the elongated side vents sear the hand but save major damage, is it the device? Maybe...I am genuinely curious.
I do think this whole incident is real, and it's very unfortunate. I hope the victim makes a full recovery, and I hope we'll find out what was being used, how it was being used, for how long, under what conditions, and can then generate a whole new set of questions and concerns about that which may ultimately be helpful to us all...but the fear and confusion prompted by all of the unknowns and later by the unknowns of the unknowns, is definitely giving one of my favorite "hobbies" a very bad rap right now as other "explosions" or "incidents" have also done in the past. I have no doubt that this too will blow over to some extent, even with a measure of collateral damage to the community, but most of all I hope everyone new, old, and in between will take the time (and money if necessary) to make the most informed decisions on what they buy, what they sell, what's ultimately being done with it, and what they then recommend to others.
Just my solitary, unstacked, ever so slightly modified cent. No safer than anyone elses, but probably not any more dangerous either.
thanks for the clarification...had to go back to page 1 to find the update that pointed that out. And while I'm not saying these incidents are in any way related (without facts in incident 2, that would be impossible), it does give me pause when making the decision to go 6v with stacked batt's. As someone posted earlier, sometimes more is not better...
It definitely has me doing much more digging into finding batteries more suitable to supplying the output needed for 6v and into some simple safety steps before/after charging that will hopefully mitigate the risk (thanks to rolygate's sticky's on batteries for this).
Good Observations. Thanks for posting. I hadn't seen that the last post had been removed. Makes you wonder who did it. Why lock the thread? I think the cash cow is threatened.
The January story seems odd.. He swears the guy was using LiPO4 Tenergy's 3v.. Only problem with that is there has NEVER been a documented case of a LifPO4 battery exploding, quite the opposite.. Also he says that the friend wasn't getting good battery life out of the batteries.... I'm guessing the guy went and bought some batteries from Walmart or whatever.. Non protected and used those.. Hence the explosion..
There's one thing I'm still trying to figure out with ALL of the stories. "Allegedly", teeth were knocked out and parts of the tongue were blown... but no mention of the hands/fingers being harmed at all. Why? Why not? Why wouldn't the fingers get some sort of serious damage with this "explosion"? I doubt he had his heavy mod hanging off of his lip or something? Something aint right.
I imagine it would have been more of a very powerful bottle-rocket type effect- forcing the pv and his tongue against his teeth. Only guessing though.
The tube directs the blast to the ends, and the ends are where the explosion vents. Hands might be a little toasty, but face gets the full blunt trauma. Especially if the atomizer becomes a projectile.
When I mentioned earlier that most people who used mods would be on one of the forums or in contact with someone on the forums, I meant mods not cigarette style/pen style users or even eGo users. I meant prodigy, silver bullet, lavatube users.
When I mentioned earlier that most people who used mods would be on one of the forums or in contact with someone on the forums, I meant mods not cigarette style/pen style users or even eGo users. I meant prodigy, silver bullet, lavatube users.
Just tonight I was refilling one of my V2 carts............I've only done this once or twice so far, and after letting it sit for several hours, I attached it to the V2 battery but when I took a couple of drags after test-firing it first, I hear a sizzling sound and the top of the battery where it joins the cart got warm very quickly. It scared me a bit so I unscrewed it and have not tried it again. Is this something to worry about? Battery is freshly charged, can excess liquid getting on the battery cause this "heating up"? In light of current events, it spooked me.
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