Local NW Floridian with severe injuries from exploding ecig battery
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I heard this story on walton and johnson this morning while puffing on my Reo Grand. I couldnt imagine this happening, but then again Lithium is fairly new to some, and has to be treated totally opposite from Ni-Mh & Ni-Cd as far as charging and discharging. Anyways, i was thinking; How safe would i be if all odds were stacked against me and my battery blew "i have two AW 18650's "protected of course" i use every other day, they're a year old" could my Reo handle it. I mean, it's milled out of a solid brick of aluminum and its thick has hell. Not to mention it has a huge finger size hole in the door to release pressure. My hand would get burnt no doubt, but i feel the damage would be less than this incident. I watced Bear Gyrils short a lithium cell phone battery and it was pretty violent once it failed " very short delay"
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My manager at work today told me she saw the exploding e-cig story on the news yesterday.. I explained to her that it was a mod, and that what I'm using has a battery that is intended for what I'm using it for. She understood what I meant, but it still annoyed me that the news isn't giving the full story. Or at the very least, mentioning that millions of people use e-cig's on a daily basis, and that this is a VERY rare incident that happened.
So I thought I would try getting something with some good safety features and so I ordered the provape-1. Then I read that tube mode have a higher danger factor and that maybe some physical safety features should be considered. Well doesn't look like what I just ordered has any... makes me wonder if maybe I was too hasty in giving my 510 mega set up to a friend..
I can't speak to the first question as I am not an engineer or an expert on batteries. I'm just letting common sense be my guild. I to thought of the REO's. I would guess that the design is a happy accident in that the hole for squeezing the bottle to feed the atty also makes a good vent hole at least 100 times bigger then the usual pin hole in tube mods. It may not be ideally placed as it is not pacifically designed for venting but it is certainly better then most. I don't know of anything else out there that has that big of a vent hole.
Edit: I should note that the RENO is a mechanical mode which is not likely a good idea as far as safety goes.
That was the same reason I have the Provape 1. I'm still using it and will continue to do so. It does have some very good safety features but they are all electrical. There are no physical safety features except the usual pin hole vent. The weakest part is the top cap as it is just pressed in. That is probably not so good, but not at all uncommon. If you decide to keep it just make sure to use good quality batteries with a good charger. That chances of having any real problems are very small.
Having said that it will be interesting to see what comes out in the future. There surely is a market for a well designed mod built from the ground up with safety first in mind. I would love to see something with the first line safety features of the Provape line but with a well ventilated design in case everything goes wrong.
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I would just like to say that I understand the reason for your fear. I also have a Bombshell sitting right here with 2 STACKED Tenergy cr 123a LifPo inside it . It vapes like a steam engine and I got a heck of a deal on it when I bought it from Tim at Hotvapes. Tim is a very nice person and sells a very solid product. I would hate for a second to know that a faulty battery or the misuse of a non faulty battery would cause people to be scared to buy his product . It may or may not be safer to use a single 18650 unstacked that puts out 3.7-4.2 volts. Whos to say that a cheap chinese made atty or carto wasnt the whole reason this may have happened . In time we will learn the details. Lets not use the Bombshell as a whipping boy for our fear OK? Lets all find out as much as we can about this horrible accident and work together to find a way to insure this doesnt happen to anyone else. It is sad that it happened just like its sad that that idiot blew up his house and his two children the other day just to spite his wife. We are all in danger evryday with this world in the shape its in.
Vaping is better than smoking...Living is better than dying... The more we are informed and the more we protect each other is the only way this world will ever be a safer place to live.
just my
I haven't had the time to read through this whole post, but have they figured out which model the victim was using at the time? After reading through Rolygates "Exploding Mods Update" I do know of one mass produced mod that uses stacked unprotected 16340's with no vent holes...the Sparkplug2 Thermotube. I know that some members from the ECF have contacted them about the possible hazards of using these batteries...but does anyone know if they switched to protected or safe chemistry? If not...I think that we should try again.
absolutely.
consider this, what did he have in the cart?
I read a thread that mentioned that a guy accidentally mistook e-juice for eye drops.
burned his eye up pretty good.
what may he have mistook e-juice for? Lighter fluid maybe?
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I think that would be hard to litigate. The bolded statement above describes a rechargeable flashlight and just about any other battery powered device, including kids' toy cars.
High drain devices can be dangerous. A lithium battery has artifacts of manufacturing that can cause meltdowns. Metal particles in the lithium liquid can accumulate in the wrong place and cause a short. When this happens, it's not a fault of the device being powered, but an internal issue with the battery itself. The article below speaks to this phenomena.
Lithium-ion Safety Concerns – Battery University
I'm glad that your ok and nothing major happened.
What device where you using?
Did you check the battery volt after taken it out of the charger?
What type of charger do you use?
How old are the batteries?
Just want to make sure you don't have a faulty charger. This could lead to more failures.
This is the bottom line.....we do NOT know what he was using. We do NOT know exactly which battery exploded yet. They found 123's there....OK Does that absolutely mean he had them in the PV? NOPE While likely (and I agree with that) We do not know the brand, or MAH capacity of either the batteries or the charger involved in this. We do not know which PV. Of course Lithium Ion batteries are dangerous if not handled correctly. OF course ANYTHING can malfunction whenever "IT" decides to. (likely not at a good time). Lithium Ion batteries have been dangerous ever since they were introduced years ago. Many of us found that out before vaping ever came about.
You folks wanting to stop using your tube mods, send em to me, I'd like to try some of those, heck I'll pay shipping and sign a waiver. I have a suspicion this will end up equating to mishandling of batteries or pushing a device to it's limits. This guy was no beginner. WHILE I AM VERY VERY SORRY HE WAS INJURED, if he was really trying to help the vaping community, the details would already be out.
I do not think this is a conspiracy theory, or anyone up to hurt us. That's silly, and I cannot believe that was even brought up. Right here at ECF we (well some of you since I haven't done it yet) recommend BIGGER devices to people....people recommend MODS to newbies. UM...wonder what's up with that? Let em learn to handle smaller devices and batteries first. Let em have an 808 or 510 get hot or fizzle. Then they'll learn about batteries, and HOPEFULLY carry that onto the lager batteries and chargers.
This is just my .02 and thoughts. They're usually differed from some here about most things but then again I've had lithium batteries malfunction plenty thru out the years. I know the dangers, learned first hand years ago about safety, charging, ventilation, and such. At least most of the new people in vaping simply go by what's said here. "get a mod" ....get the ego.....get higher capacity batts so you don't have to change......certainly not my advice to someone just starting. YMMV
Regards,
Deach
You folks wanting to stop using your tube mods, send em to me, I'd like to try some of those, heck I'll pay shipping and sign a waiver. I have a suspicion this will end up equating to mishandling of batteries or pushing a device to it's limits. This guy was no beginner. WHILE I AM VERY VERY SORRY HE WAS INJURED, if he was really trying to help the vaping community, the details would already be out.
I do not think this is a conspiracy theory, or anyone up to hurt us. That's silly, and I cannot believe that was even brought up. Right here at ECF we (well some of you since I haven't done it yet) recommend BIGGER devices to people....people recommend MODS to newbies. UM...wonder what's up with that? Let em learn to handle smaller devices and batteries first. Let em have an 808 or 510 get hot or fizzle. Then they'll learn about batteries, and HOPEFULLY carry that onto the lager batteries and chargers.
This is just my .02 and thoughts. They're usually differed from some here about most things but then again I've had lithium batteries malfunction plenty thru out the years. I know the dangers, learned first hand years ago about safety, charging, ventilation, and such. At least most of the new people in vaping simply go by what's said here. "get a mod" ....get the ego.....get higher capacity batts so you don't have to change......certainly not my advice to someone just starting. YMMV
Regards,
Deach
From DaveP's post above:
"A one-in-200,000 failure rate triggered a recall of almost six million lithium-ion packs used in laptops manufactured by Dell and Apple".
Very interesting find. I actually remember that 'famous' photo of a Dell laptop where the battery exploded, leaving the machine nothing more than a melted piece of plastic garbage. Much like this incident, it was all over the news as well as the net.
From some of the other videos seen of e-cig batteries 'blowing" (both here and elsewhere), if it turns out specific models are susceptible to this, they should be 'recalled' as well. (if that's even possible, considering where some of them come from).
One-in-200,000 may not seem like a lot, but if you're that 'one', it's a whole lot...of pain.
"A one-in-200,000 failure rate triggered a recall of almost six million lithium-ion packs used in laptops manufactured by Dell and Apple".
Very interesting find. I actually remember that 'famous' photo of a Dell laptop where the battery exploded, leaving the machine nothing more than a melted piece of plastic garbage. Much like this incident, it was all over the news as well as the net.
From some of the other videos seen of e-cig batteries 'blowing" (both here and elsewhere), if it turns out specific models are susceptible to this, they should be 'recalled' as well. (if that's even possible, considering where some of them come from).
One-in-200,000 may not seem like a lot, but if you're that 'one', it's a whole lot...of pain.
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Staging a video of a Li-ion battery failure is not what is being discussed here.
We are surprised about the media attention this single event is causing because it sounds so non-typical for e-cigs.
Then, similar near-misses come of of the wood work " I had a bla-bla-bla".
Well let me tell my friends out there in vape land.
Why in the heck didn't you let us know about it?
Don't want to give vaping a bad rap?
One of the things that makes vaping successful is the support you get from a community like this forum.
If you have been here for 1, 2 or even 3 years, and had an incident, contact a staff member so a honest, accurate data point can be added. How are the rest of us supposed to be informed if some are hiding the info.
We are surprised about the media attention this single event is causing because it sounds so non-typical for e-cigs.
Then, similar near-misses come of of the wood work " I had a bla-bla-bla".
Well let me tell my friends out there in vape land.
Why in the heck didn't you let us know about it?
Don't want to give vaping a bad rap?
One of the things that makes vaping successful is the support you get from a community like this forum.
If you have been here for 1, 2 or even 3 years, and had an incident, contact a staff member so a honest, accurate data point can be added. How are the rest of us supposed to be informed if some are hiding the info.
Well, the tube mod I have uses 2 16340s and is VV, but under the safety features, it lists:
End cap - vented cap w/ classic diamond design with "J" in the middle
Short Circuit Protection
Reverse Battery Protection - If batteries are inserted incorrectly, (in reverse) unit remains protected
Thermal Shutdown Protection - If circuit begins to overheat, this unit will automatically shut down to protect itself- thus preventing damage to the unit
*Please Note* When the voltage drops below 4.5V- there is no light
Wondering if these are enough or if they're useless in the event of battery failure? And what exactly is short circuit protection? I don't know enough about modding/electronics to know how exactly the internal booster/whatever would hurt/hinder battery failure. Any insight welcome
End cap - vented cap w/ classic diamond design with "J" in the middle
Short Circuit Protection
Reverse Battery Protection - If batteries are inserted incorrectly, (in reverse) unit remains protected
Thermal Shutdown Protection - If circuit begins to overheat, this unit will automatically shut down to protect itself- thus preventing damage to the unit
*Please Note* When the voltage drops below 4.5V- there is no light
Wondering if these are enough or if they're useless in the event of battery failure? And what exactly is short circuit protection? I don't know enough about modding/electronics to know how exactly the internal booster/whatever would hurt/hinder battery failure. Any insight welcome
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I like the "J" feature
OK, sorry about the joke.
Do you think the "vented" endcap is the weaker end?
That's probably the most important safety feature to protect you.
Will mess up the mod if it blows.
OK, sorry about the joke.
Do you think the "vented" endcap is the weaker end?
That's probably the most important safety feature to protect you.
Will mess up the mod if it blows.
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Oh, and I apologize if I missed it somewhere, but it seems many are still assuming this man was using some sort of Mod, and as far as I know, we aren't even certain of that.
Suppose it was just a "plain ol' Joye 650mAh eGo-t" with a boge carto? (Even the 'veterans go back to the basics now and then).
1 in 200,000 (as an example), may be a lot after all, if there are millions of these popular batteries in circulation.
Suppose it was just a "plain ol' Joye 650mAh eGo-t" with a boge carto? (Even the 'veterans go back to the basics now and then).
1 in 200,000 (as an example), may be a lot after all, if there are millions of these popular batteries in circulation.
What about the 'other incidents'.
This is not the first, or last MOD to blow up.
redgirl,
go back one post.
This is not the first, or last MOD to blow up.
redgirl,
go back one post.
I would just like to say that I understand the reason for your fear. I also have a Bombshell sitting right here with 2 STACKED Tenergy cr 123a LifPo inside it . It vapes like a steam engine and I got a heck of a deal on it when I bought it from Tim at Hotvapes. Tim is a very nice person and sells a very solid product. I would hate for a second to know that a faulty battery or the misuse of a non faulty battery would cause people to be scared to buy his product . It may or may not be safer to use a single 18650 unstacked that puts out 3.7-4.2 volts. Whos to say that a cheap chinese made atty or carto wasnt the whole reason this may have happened . In time we will learn the details. Lets not use the Bombshell as a whipping boy for our fear OK? Lets all find out as much as we can about this horrible accident and work together to find a way to insure this doesnt happen to anyone else. It is sad that it happened just like its sad that that idiot blew up his house and his two children the other day just to spite his wife. We are all in danger evryday with this world in the shape its in.
Vaping is better than smoking...Living is better than dying... The more we are informed and the more we protect each other is the only way this world will ever be a safer place to live.
just my
Ok, fair enough. I should not have mentioned the Bombshell by name. What I was saying is not specific to the Bombshell. It just happens to be next to me and I had just got done reading the big post about tube mods and rcr123a batteries and the name Bombshell seemed very apropos.
So what I should have said is that I am not going to use any tube mod with a tiny vent hole and stacked batteries because that is what I choose based on the post I read here by the community manager. Others have read the same thing and can make their own decisions.
I have five epipemods here that I feel are probably safer based on what Ive read. The battery in the pipe aims positive end down which points to the ground and the spring on the cap is designed to collapse when things heat up. The top is on by a magnet. If I only had the bombshell I would still use it but I would put the 18650 back in it. Others can do what they choose.
But that said, you are correct, it was a mistake for me to name the Bombshell, it has done nothing wrong. I dont want to damage the person producing them. I apologize for that. Its been a good quality device for me.
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