I believe that the PricisePlus by Super T Manufacturing meets the three milled gas vent slots. It looks that way in their pictures of it on their site.
Local NW Floridian with severe injuries from exploding ecig battery
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If the one specific type of device that is being discussed here (stacked battery metal tube mods) numbers 100,000 units, 8 to 15 explosive failures would be equivalent to over 500,000 cell phone EXPLOSIONS per year. Not cells phone batteries venting, swelling, but up to 500,000 cell phone explosions. How you like them odds. This situation is not the same. People making comparisons to cars, laptops, cell phones and electric razors are misleading others. You are doing your peers a severe disservice.
about 5.6 billion cells phone in the world, how many stacked battery metal tube mods are there?
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You are likely missing the point. Sure stuff happens and none of this will be 100% safe, at least in my lifetime. But, there are ways to greatly reduce the risk that many manufactures could, and I would add should be doing that they are not doing at present. Yes, part of this is user misuse, but blowing it off by trying to compare it to laptops or cell phones or saying batteries have some inherent risk is simple avoiding the issue.
There are many mods that are well below even the minimum safety level. It's simply very irresponsible to push this stuff on the market. They are not doing any good for the vaping community. If a competent engineer were to look at some of this stuff and actually think about lawsuits they would simply walk away from many of the current designs....after he/she picked themselves off the floor from the laughing.
I definitely agree that some mods are at fault, and not user error. If 500,000 cell phones exploded, they'd fix it because EVERYONE has a cell phone. Not everyone has an e-cig let alone a mod. Not every mod is built by the same 5 companies, not every modder is putting their mods through the ringer and destroying them on purpose to see what did it. I'm not going to say that most mods are built by a random person in a metal shop, but I am going to say that the reason there aren't 500,000 exploded cell phones is because the manufacturers deliberately exploded 5,000 to make the rest safer.
Yes, unvented, stacked battery metal tube mods are definitely dangerous, moreso than any other mod, and more so than any electric device that we put up to our faces. We're using lithium ion batteries to power something that creates a good amount of heat and is not put to any official safety standards or regulations. The fact is that any PV can go boom if it's not properly maintained. Cell phones have ONE proprietary battery designed specifically for that phone. Same with laptops. E-cig mods can use dozens of batteries from dozens of manufacturers. Some of which are far less safe than others.
I'm not downplaying this, The people that are blowing this out of proportion are doing the disservice. While stacked, unregulated, unvented, homemade tube mods seem to be the bad guys, we need to take proper precautions when using ANY unproven electronic device.
The answer is not to freak out over all pipe bomb mods, it's to use safer batteries. Better charging practices and vaping practices, build more safety devices into our mods (the saber touch stacked battery tube mod that I'm using has a spring that collapses if the batteries get too hot, making the batteries useless). Be careful and know that every time you put an e-cig to your face, whether it's a blu or a super duper 7.4v tube, that there are signs you need to look and feel for.
Thanks for pointing out the flaw in my logic, I see where you're going with that and I understand.
Does anyone have even a rough idea how many "homemade" stacked battery metal tube mods, and how many "commercial" stack battery metal tube mods are actually in use? I have no idea how many have been produced.
There are estimates of the number of "minis", probably an estimate of "eGo/clones" but how many mods have been made/sold/given away that fit in the "high risk" catagory? I don't even know all the models that are available.
Any guesses?
There are estimates of the number of "minis", probably an estimate of "eGo/clones" but how many mods have been made/sold/given away that fit in the "high risk" catagory? I don't even know all the models that are available.
Any guesses?
I suggest we stop putting any responsibility on the consumer.
Honestly, the average consumer doesn't even know there is something they are supposed to know.
And they certainly don't know that what they don't know might kill them.
The burden of safety rests solely with the manufacturer, and no one else.
If you sell it, your are liable for the results.
Honestly, the average consumer doesn't even know there is something they are supposed to know.
And they certainly don't know that what they don't know might kill them.
The burden of safety rests solely with the manufacturer, and no one else.
If you sell it, your are liable for the results.
In order to fail this tragically, I suspect that a lot more than one thing must have gone wrong, but if we must throw something under the bus, why shouldn't it be the ANTZ?
If not for the prohibitionists attempting to ban smoke free alternatives (including many potential predecessors to modern vaping that never saw the light of day) rather than working to ensure that satisfying smoke-free alternatives are available anywhere that cigarettes are sold, people who want to quit smoking but have been unable (or unwilling) to completely quit tobacco permanently would not have to resort building their own DIY smoke-free alternatives and risk blowing themselves up in their proverbial or literal garages when they fail to fully appreciate the apparent risks of rechargeable lithium batteries.I wonder how a LiMn cell explodes. It seems that these have a different chemistry as explained here: "they can not generate their own oxygen during an out-gassing and therefor are incapable of accelerating their own burn in an oxygen deprived environment"
I believe that a number of manufacturers have failed to be as safety conscious as they should.
But I own a couple of mods, all of which came with very specific information about which batteries to use, and how to use them.
It seems that the serious explosions may be tied to using batteries which weren't indicated. Or may not. We don't have enough information to know.
Due diligence is significant on both sides here. IF the manufacturers did not clearly state safety/battery use recommendations, then they are clearly at fault.
IF they stated said recommendations, and they were followed, then again they are at fault. (Because clearly, they were inadequate to guarantee safe use.)
IF they stated safety specs that weren't followed, then in fact the user is at fault.
We don't have enough information to know which case occured.
I know a lot of makers ignore basic safety, which is irresposible.
A lot of users are playing at trying just about anything regarding batteries, without taking the time to be informed. JUST as irresponsible.
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Ande
ps- and the ANTZ are evil. always.
I'm not downplaying the situation, but.
Are there any stacked battery mod vendors that say anywhere "just stuff any two batteries in there that will fit."
I doubt it, but I guess it's not impossible.
I sell guns as one of my jobs. I've seen firearms coming in for service because someone tried to save a buck and buy surplus Makarov ammo (9X18mm) and put in through their 9X19 pistol. I've actually seen a 22LR revolver with a 22 MAG in the cylinder and the cylinder blown! How that round got FORCED in that cylinder I still can't figure out. People try to use 3 and 3.5 inch shotgun shells in 2 3/4 inch barrels. Try to shoot number 2 steel out of a fixed full choke gun, +P ammo in a pistol not rated...I could go on.
In all these instances, if you look into manufacturer documentation this is not recommended and forbidden. In NONE of these instances are the manufacturers liable and the repairs were not covered in any warranty.
Now if a vendor builds a mod and says "USE THESE BATTERIES ONLY" and they have an incident, I agree. To hold them responsible for anything further I think is nanny state BS.
Flame suit engage......
I see no need for a flame suit here. This is exactly as it should be. It's time for people to start taking responsibility for themselves and their actions. Learn about something you're gonna do or simply don't do it. If you can't handle the mods, the extra precautions needed when using one, then simply don't.I'm not downplaying the situation, but.
Are there any stacked battery mod vendors that say anywhere "just stuff any two batteries in there that will fit."
I doubt it, but I guess it's not impossible.
I sell guns as one of my jobs. I've seen firearms coming in for service because someone tried to save a buck and buy surplus Makarov ammo (9X18mm) and put in through their 9X19 pistol. I've actually seen a 22LR revolver with a 22 MAG in the cylinder and the cylinder blown! How that round got FORCED in that cylinder I still can't figure out. People try to use 3 and 3.5 inch shotgun shells in 2 3/4 inch barrels. Try to shoot number 2 steel out of a fixed full choke gun, +P ammo in a pistol not rated...I could go on.
In all these instances, if you look into manufacturer documentation this is not recommended and forbidden. In NONE of these instances are the manufacturers liable and the repairs were not covered in any warranty.
Now if a vendor builds a mod and says "USE THESE BATTERIES ONLY" and they have an incident, I agree. To hold them responsible for anything further I think is nanny state BS.
Flame suit engage......
Why, all of a sudden does ECF now recommend not using small stacked battery unvented mods?
Like when was the first time they started recommending not to do this?
Anyone have the revision history to show when this position was first stated here? Was it 2008 or 2009?
Just joking, this is not a new issue.
Thul,
Hackers has been modding products like cameras, computers, overclocking video cards, tricking out weed eater engines, each time something comes out, someone wants to mod it. Edelbrock was a big modder name long before e-cigs.
Hackers and modders aren't always the safest bunch out there.
Do you think the current crop of car modders care about NO2 safety?
PErformance and looks. 24s on a Honda, NO2 bottles are hot sellers and no 18 year old click thru required on those websites. Those kits come packaged with all kinds of warnings and disclaimers? If you sell it, they will come.
The infomercials on TV, websites hyping the free trial, when people are cheated, they go looking for something better. Then the hype comes out. If this had the backing of the government, big industry, the general population, we would still probably have the bigger, better, sweet spot, high voltage, under-engineered, mod.
Ask anyone vaping a stacked battery mod using protected Li-ion cells where the protection is on their cells? I still see posts "how can you tell if these are protected". That's a brave soul to come out and ask that. They deserve an answer. What about the ones that don't know how the protection works and they make and sell mods?
I've said in the past that there should be some kind of IQ test to buy 100mq/ml e-juice, or a big high voltage mod.
I was wrong. The IQ test needs to be a little further up the food chain.
Someone made a comment that a seller wouldn't intentionally sell a mod and unsafe batteries to some one.
Are we sure about that?
Like when was the first time they started recommending not to do this?
Anyone have the revision history to show when this position was first stated here? Was it 2008 or 2009?
Just joking, this is not a new issue.
Thul,
Hackers has been modding products like cameras, computers, overclocking video cards, tricking out weed eater engines, each time something comes out, someone wants to mod it. Edelbrock was a big modder name long before e-cigs.
Hackers and modders aren't always the safest bunch out there.
Do you think the current crop of car modders care about NO2 safety?
PErformance and looks. 24s on a Honda, NO2 bottles are hot sellers and no 18 year old click thru required on those websites. Those kits come packaged with all kinds of warnings and disclaimers? If you sell it, they will come.
The infomercials on TV, websites hyping the free trial, when people are cheated, they go looking for something better. Then the hype comes out. If this had the backing of the government, big industry, the general population, we would still probably have the bigger, better, sweet spot, high voltage, under-engineered, mod.
Ask anyone vaping a stacked battery mod using protected Li-ion cells where the protection is on their cells? I still see posts "how can you tell if these are protected". That's a brave soul to come out and ask that. They deserve an answer. What about the ones that don't know how the protection works and they make and sell mods?
I've said in the past that there should be some kind of IQ test to buy 100mq/ml e-juice, or a big high voltage mod.
I was wrong. The IQ test needs to be a little further up the food chain.
Someone made a comment that a seller wouldn't intentionally sell a mod and unsafe batteries to some one.
Are we sure about that?
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correct. the legalese is 'implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose'.
i don't think you can escape liability without specifying which batteries are safe to use in the device.
i have seen some savvy 'mod' vendors explicity disclaim warranty for use with stacked batteries. say alpha/omega for example.
still there are no 'safe' batteries, and vendors would be wise to point that out. definitely some 'safer' batteries, especially for vaping, but obviously this is a developing area.
Maybe the idea that safer chemistry is safer is causing some to think a particular combination is actually safe.
LiFePO4 is safer than Li-ion, right? So why not put a couple of small underrated LiFePO4 cells in a mod.
Where do these ideas come from? What makes the idea so popular? C rating is important. So why not inflate the mah rating to make people think they are better? How about data? Go shopping on a real electronics component site and get links to manufacturer and application data. Go to an e-cig site and get 'build-a-kit-in-your-shopping-cart' help.
Go to a forum and get 'picture schematics'. Geeze, picture schematics? Really? and sometimes that isn't enough.
Listening to some of the hype from vapers with a lot more knowledge and experience than I have about 5volts, 6volts, or more is where the sweet spot is makes me feel like a weakling still vaping at 3.7 volts. It must be better, why not more up?
LiFePO4 is safer than Li-ion, right? So why not put a couple of small underrated LiFePO4 cells in a mod.
Where do these ideas come from? What makes the idea so popular? C rating is important. So why not inflate the mah rating to make people think they are better? How about data? Go shopping on a real electronics component site and get links to manufacturer and application data. Go to an e-cig site and get 'build-a-kit-in-your-shopping-cart' help.
Go to a forum and get 'picture schematics'. Geeze, picture schematics? Really? and sometimes that isn't enough.
Listening to some of the hype from vapers with a lot more knowledge and experience than I have about 5volts, 6volts, or more is where the sweet spot is makes me feel like a weakling still vaping at 3.7 volts. It must be better, why not more up?
I think it would be great if the vendors who sell mods say, "Use THIS battery, and THIS charger, ONLY with this mod"!! I recently bought a box mod and had to find out by myself which batteries and charger are the best to use, after buying a bunch of the wrong stuff.
Isn't that what some of them have been doing?
I think 3 sizes of 3.7 volt mods,
Small, Medium, and Large would be fine
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