Low Resistance Magnum Atomizers
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So I underestimated these...they are quite impressive! Strong throat hit and epic vapor. I almost prefer these over a regular 510 atty @ 6 volts.
Note: T-tips are a very snug fit on these. Regular 510 carts are loose on these too.
Note: T-tips are a very snug fit on these. Regular 510 carts are loose on these too.
Please put up with this dumb question. I have just ordered a Xhaler (and currently have 2 Prodigy V2).
Do I want and/or need the High Voltage Atomizer? Do they reduce the throat hit?
Do I want and/or need the High Voltage Atomizer? Do they reduce the throat hit?
AJ, you'd want to get one of these low resistance atomizers if you are using 3.7V and want the 'experience' of 5V vaping. A more accurate way of putting it would be that at 3.7V and 1.5Ω you are very near what's considered the 'sweet spot' of 10 watts. And it works very well. This wasn't your question, but since it's in the LR atomizer thread, I included it just in case. Consider it a bonus!
If you are asking why you want a 'High Voltage' atomizer, that's different. At a higher voltage, you might want to use an HV atomizer to do the opposite of what these low resistance atomizers do. It would present a higher resistance to the battery, and lower the effective wattage closer to 10 watts (again, that 'sweet spot').
What you don't wanna do is put a low resistance atomizer on a high voltage device!
Gotta tell you Drew, these LR atties kick like a mule on both the Xhaler at 3.7 and the TornEgo. Gonna have to order a bunch more. And more drip tips. And maybe an XSHaler. Thanks a lot!
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It's me, stupid, back again.
So, with a 5V mode do I want one? And with the Xhaler I'm waiting on I plan to run a 5V, do I want it on that?
I think (not sure) I can run the Xhaler at 3.7? Then I want one?
Thank you ahead of time.
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So, with a 5V mode do I want one? And with the Xhaler I'm waiting on I plan to run a 5V, do I want it on that?
I think (not sure) I can run the Xhaler at 3.7? Then I want one?
Thank you ahead of time.
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LOL! I think we were both in there together. Take a look at my post above yours. Short story: you probably don't want one for your 5V mod, but if you wanna run your Xhaler at 3.7V, I highly recommend getting one!
PS - not a stupid question at all. Learning is fun!
they arent high voltage they're low resistance...
let's put it this way alot of people talk about a "sweet spot" of 5V where vapor production, flavor, warmth of vapor, and TH are "optimal"...it's really not voltage but wattage we're really looking at...somewhere between 8W-10W...
before the way to get there was to get a 5V regulated mod...or get stacked batteries that put out 6V or 7.4V and a high voltage atty (increased resistance) to drop the heat produced (wattage) back down..
These work the reverse way they drop the resistance to up the wattage so you can run a single 3.7V battery...and still get the same heat and all that goes with it without having to stack batteries..which allows for a smaller overall device...
Without going into a lot of math...it's not suggested that you use them on stock batteries though because the amperage draw/drain on these far exceeds the max drain rate on them and could ruin the life of stock 510 batteries (not to mention they'd also probably cut down the already dismal battery life between charges of a stock 510)
Thanks Drozd. On the Xhaler site they're refereed to as "High Voltage 901 Atomizer w/ 4.5 Resistance ". I see what you mean though.
I ordered a bunch of "regular" 901 attys (I know, they may not be everyones favorite!) and I was getting worried I had ordered the wrong thing.
I may try the Xhaler at 3.7 with the new atty just to see whatsup.
I intend to use the Xhaler at 5V so I feel better now, I think you all have been very gracious and answered all my questions.
I ordered a bunch of "regular" 901 attys (I know, they may not be everyones favorite!) and I was getting worried I had ordered the wrong thing.
I may try the Xhaler at 3.7 with the new atty just to see whatsup.
I intend to use the Xhaler at 5V so I feel better now, I think you all have been very gracious and answered all my questions.
Have to chime in on these low resistance atties- am currently vaping some of Drew's High Voltage juices on a Phidias with one of his new Magnum atties, powered by an AW high drain 3.7V 1600 mAh 18650...f-ing phenomenal! 8-o Thanks again, Drew!
Thanks for explaining it, I don't know why for the very first time I really understand what these Low Resistence Atty do. But you explained it very nice and simple for people like me.
Ditto that...
Here's the math to coompare:
Totally stock 510 is 2.3Ω at 3.1V = 4.2W (heat)
1.5Ω LR atty
3.1V(torneGo) =6.4W
3.7V=9.1W
5V=16.7W
6V=24W
7.4V=36.5W
Standard joye atty (2.3Ω)
3.7V=5.95w
5V=10.9w
6V=15.7w
7.4V=23.8w
4.5Ω HR atty
3.7V=3.04
5V=5.6w
6V=8w
7.4V=12.2w
You're shooting for between 8-10W (more and you'll get burnt taste starting to come through)
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I am actually understanding this or my mind has had a minute breakthrough in understanding the logics of math.
I feel so good, I get it, I finally get- it has to be that rare breakthrough in my brain that letting this information seep through which I am sure will pass. I know its been explained before, maybe finally I took the time to understand it.
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lol..for me it was alot of blah blah blah too...until I saw it charted out and all in relation to each other..
Turns out there are only 3 real math problems that you need to get.. Wattage = voltage2/resistance
and for amps.... voltage/resistance
and max drain on your batteries is mAh *C rating/1000 (typical C rating on Lion batteries is between 1C and 2C or most battery sites will just tell you what the max drain is)
those 3 things and you can kinda figure out how hard you're being on your batteries with what atty and configuration and how safe it really is on your batteries..
Short story there is in reality a 1.5Ω atty on a single high mAh 3.7 battery is actually safer and less stressfull on your batteries than stacked batteries in several ways..
EDIT: example 1.5Ω atty on a 3.7V 17670 (1800mAh) battery Vs. Stacked LiFePo 3.0V CR123a (750mAh) batteries with a 4.5Ω atty...
1.5Ω on the 3.7V battery....
9.1W of heat = 3.7 (squared)/1.5
Amps of draw on battery = 2.5A = 3.7/1.5
Max drain rate of battery = 2.7A = 1800 (mAh) * 1.5 (C rating of ultrafires)/1000
now the tenergy batteries and 4.5Ω atty
8W of heat = 6 (squared)/ 4.5
amps drawn on batteries = 1.33A =6/4.5
Max drain rate of battery (per manufacturer) = <.55A (ut oh...way less than the 1.33 needed= possible battery damage..LiFePo are safe chemistry though...but on regular Lion this is what trips the PCB in protected batteries and causes them to not work(over discharge protection)...or on unprotected batteries this overdischarge is what can cause the batteries to go pop..
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The array of options and numbers thrown at us IS a bit mind boggling.
The thing to remember is that watts (heat) is the number you want to find that YOU like.
More volts = more watts
More ohms (resistance) = less watts
Mix and match devices, batts, and attys until you hit your sweet spot!
When I first started using HV on the Xhaler, I was usually dripping about 4 drops, but that was tending to flood the atomizer. So although I'll usually put 4 drops on a new atty, I usually just add 2 drops every 4-6 hits. (Using Nhaler High Voltage liquid). For me, the key is learning to taste the difference. As soon as the flavor starts to taste the slightest bit dry, metallic, or burnt, I add 2 drops.
For the record, the only time I've ever burnt out an atomizer is when either the PT or the Xhaler has fallen between cushions and accidentally left on.
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