M401 vs. 510 -- Can't decide. :(

[CheeMiss]

So your saying Tonto was a Canadian?! And they named a city after him?? ROFL.

Seriously though, Indian reservations out west in the US have very cheap prices on name brand cigs.
Toronto is great city. Visited a number of times.

you forgot to say eh? after your question. eh? (what does ROFL mean? eh?) Our reserve cigs are not brand names. They make them. I swear that they are trying to kill white man with them. No joke!

I just saw a video on the Bada Bing e-cigar. Apparently the batt lasts for a couple of days on those babies. hmmmm.
I am a female in my mid 50's. I am at the stage of my life where I prefer low maintenance, comfort and high quality/performance. I'm going to do more research on e-cigars.
I don't care what the thing looks like, so long as I don't have to worry about charging all the time and re-filling those tiny wee little carts.

For me its peace of mind while vaping & not worrying about high maintenance. Anyway, I'll really turn heads up here vaping
on an e-cigar.

 

[Sar]

... Toronto is very much like N.Y. City but without the lunatic, heartless crime. ...

Did you visit New York City in this century? It may be safer than Toronto:

FBI CRIME STATISTICS SHOW THAT NEW YORK HAS THE LOWEST CRIME RATE OF MAJOR U.S. CITIES - New York Post

 

[yknotagain]

For a heavy vapor (former chain smoker) who's accustomed to smoking while doing activities, a manual switch model like the 510 is worthless. I have both 510 and 401 and rarely use the 510 unless I'm stationary and can use my PT. The battery life sucks and having to press a button while both hands are busy is impossible. As for the 510 carts having more capacity, I have to refill mine just as often as I do my 401's because it uses so much more juice. Not to mention the flavor just isn't there like it is with the 401's.

 

[CheeMiss]

Did you visit New York City in this century? It may be safer than Toronto:

FBI CRIME STATISTICS SHOW THAT NEW YORK HAS THE LOWEST CRIME RATE OF MAJOR U.S. CITIES - New York Post

Nope, not this century.... my visit was in the bad ol' days. Great to here that it's a lot safer now. Poor us, we're not so lucky in this century tho. Real nasty drug related crimes up here lately. And our gov't only last week, finally did a drug bust in 3 locations only because the people are so fed up. Our gov't sure could use a lesson from you. They still refuse to deal with this issue with the same penalties that you guys do. So sad.
btw: I did not mean to offend.

 

[CheeMiss]

For a heavy vapor (former chain smoker) who's accustomed to smoking while doing activities, a manual switch model like the 510 is worthless. I have both 510 and 401 and rarely use the 510 unless I'm stationary and can use my PT. The battery life sucks and having to press a button while both hands are busy is impossible. As for the 510 carts having more capacity, I have to refill mine just as often as I do my 401's because it uses so much more juice. Not to mention the flavor just isn't there like it is with the 401's.

I too am a chain smoker.....so what's the answer.....the e-cigar?

 

[-sinner-]

alright so ive had my 510 a few days now and im still in love.

for the last 3 months ive vaped an e-cigar (4062) and though i enjoyed it...it never gave a consistent hit like my 510 does (i had 5 e-cigars, they all acted the same way). where i would get 1 out 5 hits that were good with my 4062, im getting EVERY hit good out of my 510.

my concern was going to be battery life...but so far thats not an issue either. im getting an average of 10-12 hrs out of each battery. part of that reason is i dont have to hit it nearly as often as i did my cigar. since the hits are consistent on the 510, i feel satisfied after 5 or 6 drags, so im not having to vape all the time anymore.

now for the downsides (worth putting up with if you ask me)

the carts are VERY small compared to my 4062, but i was in the habit of topping off my cigar carts before vaping anyway to get the best vapor production...so its not that much of a problem.

the only other complaint i have is that it burns up the flavor of the juice. the taste is not as strong as it is from my cigar, probably because the 510 seems to burn hotter. but honestly...for the consistency in hits, i'll take a loss in flavor.

all in all, the 510 will be the only device i'll be suggesting to friends from now on. add a PCC and youre probably talking about the most convenient, reliable e-cig on the market right now IMO.

 

[Ankle Spanker]

i just did a review on the 510 and i said"its incomparible to the m401"

 

[CheeMiss]

i just did a review on the 510 and i said "its incomparible to the m401"

Splain yourself Lucy....lolololol Are you saying the 510 is better or worse than the M401?

What about the JantyStik, NicoStik or the Zi Moshi??? Pls. advise. Is it a better choice over the 510?

I really don't care about the cig look anymore. I just want consistency. A lot less maintenance. Large carts. Longer battery time. And especially the throat hit.
When I add the glycerine to get more vape on my M401, the sweetness of the glyc., just puts me off. I crave real cigs. But if I omit the glyc., then I don't get that nice huge vape. I am so fed up with all this high maintenance stuff. That is why I just don't care what the (bleepin) it looks like, so long as it does the job and does not break the bank in doing so.

 

[Lazarus]

I believe the the e-cig will progress and evolve much like Moore's Law with computer hardware.

The 401 was good, the 510 is great. I hear the J-108 and J118 are better than the 501.

The auto battery will keep you from burning up your atty, but the manual switch delivers the best vape...hmmm what do I want, what do I need...decisions, decisions.

In my short vaping career I have had both good and bad 401's, I am sure this could be true for the 510. When I have my 401 cranking, I can't think of anything else I would ever want.

My 901, on the other hand is tried and true and blows me away, even though it needs much attention.

Can't wait for the next generation of e-ciggys

 

[-sinner-]

Can't wait for the next generation of e-ciggys

i hear ya on that one. just like with any other technology that becomes popular, it becomes evolved. my guess is that within the next year or two we'll be looking for e-cigs that dont hit as hard lol.

but CheeMiss, if you're looking for a consistent hit, go with a 510. ive tested a handful of models and so far it is definitely the most consistent. but it does go through juice fairly quickly.

i just keep a small bottle of juice with me to top off every other vape or so.

i can say this much...e-smoking may be a pain in the @$$ sometimes, but its better than the alternative. if you can make yourself comfortable with that...youll find a way to make any personal vaporizer device work.

 

[CheeMiss]

Awwww you (Sinner) and Lazarus are sooooo sweet. Thank You so very much for your support. Really Thank you. I guess I was having a bad hair day. I filled all 4 carts, nice & neat, put on the attys, grabbed my batts & off I went. Only to find that I could not even suck on them. All of them at once. That's when I really blew a gasket and sprang for the real cigs. Man, was that a nasty experience. I now have a horse voice. lolololo

Later I glued myself to the forum & tried washing the attys then burning them (thanks to others help) and I have been vaping with only 1 of them since about 6pm with no problems so far. Awww Gees Louise, now that I said that, I hope I didn't jinx it. lololol I haven't tried the others yet to see if they work.

The only negative that would really get me going about the 501 is the wee, tiny attys. I still think that the JantyStik, NicoStik or the Zi Moshi with the larger carts are the way I would go next time around.

Thank you to all the forum members for being there for us frustrated newbies. Your hand holding really means a lot to me as I am sure to all of us. I would never disclose this frustration I am having with ecigs outside of this forum, so as not to give it a negative to outsiders. It's a learning curve. Everyone has different needs, wants & desires. One mans/womans garbage is another mans treasure. And then of course, there's the lemon!

 

[Sar]

CheeMiss, I agree with Lazarus about the 510:

... but CheeMiss, if you're looking for a consistent hit, go with a 510. ive tested a handful of models and so far it is definitely the most consistent. but it does go through juice fairly quickly. ...

I think I have about the same criteria about my vape as you do CheeMiss. The throat hit is the most important to me. And I really hate the inconsistency. I want what I had with analogs. When I took a drag it was always certain way, no surprises. If you have the time take a look at the comparison of the 510 and 901 atomizers on Prodigy -- I think you would like Prodigy. I ended my writeup calling Prodigy boring, in a good way. With every vape you get exactly what you expect. Link:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/22931-prodigy-reviews-10.html#post416715

The Prodigy is one device that works with multiple atomizer styles. Currently there are adapters for 801, 901 and 510. And very soon there will also be 401 I think.

 

[CheeMiss]

Hello Sar.......you too are so sweet Thank You. I read your other post on the Prodigy. You are not only a gifted story teller, you are so very, very funny. I really enjoyed reading your post.

I find that most of the forum members have such a great way of telling a story. I guess with all these years of texting rather than talking, people really have improved their writing abilities without even realizing how gifted they have become. Errr, I should say Authors.

Well, what I get from it is to not bother waiting for a M401 adapter. Just go all out and get the Prodigy with the 501 adapter. yes? no?

But then again, I am left with a smaller cart than with the M401. That for me is a real big issue. The constant refilling after just a few vapes. Up here in Toronto, city driving requires so much attention what with all the freekin bicycles, pedestrians, Sunday drivers et al and then having to scramble around replacing carts every few vapes, is just an added stress. And in our winter mths...well, not a fun thing to do.

Or does it come with all the previous model adapters you mentioned anyway?

But, what do you guys & gals think of the other models I mentioned before......JantyStik, NicoStik or the Zi Moshi....would they not give the same effect as the Prodigy with the LARGE carts of the 801 or 901.
Or is it the fact that the 501 carts are so small that the vape is so strong.
Decisions, Decisions....

 

[Sar]

Hello Sar.......you too are so sweet Thank You. I read your other post on the Prodigy. You are not only a gifted story teller, you are so very, very funny. I really enjoyed reading your post.

I find that most of the forum members have such a great way of telling a story. I guess with all these years of texting rather than talking, people really have improved their writing abilities without even realizing how gifted they have become. Errr, I should say Authors.

Well, what I get from it is to not bother waiting for a M401 adapter. Just go all out and get the Prodigy with the 501 adapter. yes? no?

But then again, I am left with a smaller cart than with the M401. That for me is a real big issue. The constant refilling after just a few vapes. Up here in Toronto, city driving requires so much attention what with all the freekin bicycles, pedestrians, Sunday drivers et al and then having to scramble around replacing carts every few vapes, is just an added stress. And in our winter mths...well, not a fun thing to do.

Or does it come with all the previous model adapters you mentioned anyway?

But, what do you guys & gals think of the other models I mentioned before......JantyStik, NicoStik or the Zi Moshi....would they not give the same effect as the Prodigy with the LARGE carts of the 801 or 901.
Or is it the fact that the 501 carts are so small that the vape is so strong.
Decisions, Decisions....

I have to admit that I have never tried 401, but once that adapter is ready for Prodigy I may try it. The Prodigy only comes with one adapter, the other ones you'll need to buy as add-ons.

I am not thrilled with having have to top off all the time either, but I find it that I am actually doing it less with Prodigy. I think the 5v device is able to suck the cart dry much more than the normal batteries. Too early to tell -- this is only my first day with the Prodigy.

When I started vaping I went through several different PV models and liked 901 and 510 the best. But 510's design just made the experience more consistent. And there is also one other big plus for me: I hardly ever get liquid into my mouth with 510. With 901 I had to be very careful otherwise I'd be sucking in the liquuid -- and that is not a good experience.

I am sure the other high-voltage devices are also great, but I think they are all 6v, which may go through the liquid faster than 5v. Some devices are also less than 5v, for example the JantyStick. The Prodigy was originally supposed to be 6v but after testing, Puresmoker instead decided to go with 5v as that was the sweet spot. But many of these devices have tons of fans.

If I was starting vaping now, I would probably get the Prodigy and few different adapters and atomizer styles. Prodigy will give you the battery baseline, so when you are comparing the vape and throat hit from different atomizers you are really observing the differences in atomizers themselves, not the battery+atomizer. Comparing one atomizer with its own battery and another with Prodigy would not be a fair test.

But I think you have to accept the possibility that you'll make a mistake with your attomizer choices. All PVs have vapers that swear by them, no matter what model it is. When I smoked analogs it took a while for me to find a brand that I finally settled with. And even after years of smoking the same brand of analogs I still found a new brand that I switched to because I liked it much more. With PV atomizers I know that I could live with at least two models I've tried. Until something better comes around. And it will.

 

[CheeMiss]

Thank You Sar, GREAT POINTS!

Since my M401 is giving me so much trouble right now, I think it best to go with the most popular....The Prodigy with 2 adapters. The 901 for the larger cart for when I am on the road and the 501 for the many, many benefits of not leaking, smoother yet powerful throat hit, & great taste.
And just wait for the 401 adapter, to use up my stock of attys.

Just one final question....is the Prodigy made in China? If yes, by whom.
Just trying to save some $$$ as this M401 kit, with loads of extras cost me a pretty $ so far and I've only had it such a sort time. I really did not get my monies worth out of it. I guess I was over zealous & believed all the great posts. To me, you buy something, you expect it to work.....Period!

 

[Sar]

Thank You Sar, GREAT POINTS!

Since my M401 is giving me so much trouble right now, I think it best to go with the most popular....The Prodigy with 2 adapters. The 901 for the larger cart for when I am on the road and the 501 for the many, many benefits of not leaking, smoother yet powerful throat hit, & great taste.
And just wait for the 401 adapter, to use up my stock of attys.

Just one final question....is the Prodigy made in China? If yes, by whom.
Just trying to save some $$$ as this M401 kit, with loads of extras cost me a pretty $ so far and I've only had it such a sort time. I really did not get my monies worth out of it. I guess I was over zealous & believed all the great posts. To me, you buy something, you expect it to work.....Period!

The e-cigs are really just first-generation devices -- there are so many things to fix. In few years when we'll have 3rd or 4th generation we'll look back and be amazed that we even bothered with these. But for now this is as good as it gets.

The Prodigy is made in USA and it uses standard rechargeable batteries that you can buy for as little as $3. So no more paying $10 for short-lasting little batteries that only work with your PV. The Prodigy comes with batteries and a charger. In a month or so there will be a smaller version of Prodigy, but that will only use 3.7v. But it will also be less expensive -- below $100. Puresmoker can't manufacture these things fast enough to keep with the demand so there may be some additional wait.

As far as I know, the highest capacity atomizer is 801/penstyle. I don't know how that compares to 401, but 801 was the first Prodigy shipped and it is in use by maaany people. And with Prodigy I am sure you'll get a throat hit you'd need. So if you are really concerned about capacity and not refilling often, I would recommend getting Prodigy with 801 and 510 adapters. The 901 in my experience has less capacity than 510. I think 801 and 510 will give you the best of both worlds. And 801 atomizer type is readily available from many sellers and you can get very good prices on the atomizers if you shop around. The next adapter I'll order is the 801.

 

[CheeMiss]

As far as I know, the highest capacity atomizer is 801/penstyle. I don't know how that compares to 401, but 801 was the first Prodigy shipped and it is in use by maaany people. And with Prodigy I am sure you'll get a throat hit you'd need. So if you are really concerned about capacity and not refilling often, I would recommend getting Prodigy with 801 and 510 adapters. The 901 in my experience has less capacity than 510. I think 801 and 510 will give you the best of both worlds. And 801 atomizer type is readily available from many sellers and you can get very good prices on the atomizers if you shop around. The next adapter I'll order is the 801.

Sar, I hope the Universe Blesses you from Here to Eternity for taking the time to hand hold me.
Okay, so its the 801 with the large cart. Got it!

I just got off the phone with a builder (residential) who kept gaging & coughing due to analogues
(btw: who came up with that name for them?), anyway, I now have him interested in at least looking at ecigs. There are many more in my field like him, but I must be absolutely sure of a product before I can promote it to these guys. My credibility is on the line. I never take on a project to sell unless I truly believe it will deliver to the customer, everything we promise it will. I am very honorable that way. Trust in life is very important.

Sar, I understand that the ecigs have been out for many years now. So why don't these manufacturers listen to so many of the knowledgeable forum members that have made mods that actually work better than the products that they are selling? Seems to me that ecigs would already be at their 3rd-4th stage of development if they just moved quicker.
I guess they have to keep suppling the duds to pay for the equipment that they had to buy to make these in the 1st place.
I really believe that if it were not for the forum moders around the world, that the ecig would not have made it as far as they have.
Hooray to all the moders out there for taking a spark of an idea and evolving it.

And you manufacturers.....wake up! Start reading the moders section. Speed up the evolution, otherwise the moders will start their own manufacturing plants & you will loose out. (which some already have)

Ain't competition grand? lolololol

 

[Sar]

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[Sar]

Sar, I hope the Universe Blesses you from Here to Eternity for taking the time to hand hold me.
Okay, so its the 801 with the large cart. Got it!

I just got off the phone with a builder (residential) who kept gaging & coughing due to analogues
(btw: who came up with that name for them?), anyway, I now have him interested in at least looking at ecigs. There are many more in my field like him, but I must be absolutely sure of a product before I can promote it to these guys. My credibility is on the line. I never take on a project to sell unless I truly believe it will deliver to the customer, everything we promise it will. I am very honorable that way. Trust in life is very important.

Sar, I understand that the ecigs have been out for many years now. So why don't these manufacturers listen to so many of the knowledgeable forum members that have made mods that actually work better than the products that they are selling? Seems to me that ecigs would already be at their 3rd-4th stage of development if they just moved quicker.
I guess they have to keep suppling the duds to pay for the equipment that they had to buy to make these in the 1st place.
I really believe that if it were not for the forum moders around the world, that the ecig would not have made it as far as they have.
Hooray to all the moders out there for taking a spark of an idea and evolving it.

And you manufacturers.....wake up! Start reading the moders section. Speed up the evolution, otherwise the moders will start their own manufacturing plants & you will loose out. (which some already have)

Ain't competition grand? lolololol

That is exactly what Puresmoker and some of the other sellers did. They participated in the mod forum and realized that there is a market for better devices because the batteries were driving most people crazy. But not all people had the skills or desire to mod themselves.

Puresmoker designed the Prodigy unit and Janty designed the JantyStick to basically solve the problems people had. Both devices are actually manufactured so there is a bit of economy of scale involved. There are other devices that are hand-crafted, for example the Screwdriver or GG and they work in a similar fashion but may cost a bit more.

But Prodigy, as far as I know, is so far the only device that works with 5v (the sweet spot).

Remember that the Prodigy etc devices only take care of the battery and power problem. There are still two additional pieces to the puzzle:

1. The atomizers themselves. As far as I know, they are only made in China, so regardless of where you buy, it would have been made in China. Atomizers are very finicky, so be ready to have half-a-dozen on hand just in case. I am a heavy vaper and the atomizers last me about two weeks. Some people make them last two months, but I was never able to. Many people starting out also destroy the atomizers right away before they learn the proper ways of vaping. So get six attys for each model if you can. Puresmoker I think also sells the atomizers. Later you may also want to buy from China. I can get 510 atomizers there for $6-$7 and 801 atomizers probably around $5-$6.

2. Ejuice/eliquid. Great majority is made in China, but there are now few places outside of China that make their own. To start with get two small bottles, one with 24mg of nicotine, the other with 11 mg of nicotine. The nicotine content greatly accounts for the throat hit. But until you try both you will not know how much nic you need.

Vaping is definitely not as simple as getting a pack of smokes and lighting a match. There is some learning and getting used involved. But once you get through it will become a second nature.

 

[Sar]

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