M401 vs. 510 -- Can't decide. :(
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The manual switch,larger capacity,and zero chance of fluid leaking into battery causing EPIC FAIL make the 510 a no brainer to me.
My 510 does get warm when I start dragging it like im hotboxing a analog.But even my Npro will do that.
Now ive never had a 401,but from what I read here it sounds too similar to my 4081.
IE cart filling requiring a paper clip! ;(
My 510 does get warm when I start dragging it like im hotboxing a analog.But even my Npro will do that.
Now ive never had a 401,but from what I read here it sounds too similar to my 4081.
IE cart filling requiring a paper clip! ;(
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Got my 510 today and omg it is FINALLY like a real cig. The batteries are still charging, but I'm using it on the passthrough through an a/c outlet with this little toy that arrived today. Great recommend from someone on the forum:
USB Dual Power Adapter
No more sucking my lungs out on the Smoore crap. Consistent vape - I can finally FEEL a throat hit. Love the flavor of the marlboro carts from Widow. EXCELLENT.
Anyone that would choose a 401 over this will be disappointed. Look at it this way, you can get a quality 510 that does the job, or get a 401, and keep buying spare parts again and again...and again, and continually throw good money after bad.
the 510 is a no brainer. BUY it
and yes the 401 IS the devil!
USB Dual Power Adapter
No more sucking my lungs out on the Smoore crap. Consistent vape - I can finally FEEL a throat hit. Love the flavor of the marlboro carts from Widow. EXCELLENT.
Anyone that would choose a 401 over this will be disappointed. Look at it this way, you can get a quality 510 that does the job, or get a 401, and keep buying spare parts again and again...and again, and continually throw good money after bad.
the 510 is a no brainer. BUY it
and yes the 401 IS the devil!
Yeah, the 510 is a total no brainer for the 45 minutes to an hour that the batteries last and then it goes back on the shelf. Seriously how many batteries do you carry around with you to make it through the day.
either you didnt follow the charging instructions for initial charge or you have bad batts I get anywhere from 2 to 3 hours easy...
that's a dealbreaker for a lot of folks. my 4081's, for my wife and I (we work together), require us to have 4 charged batts every day. that's a lot of charged batts for only lasting a few hours. As soon as we get home, we put 2 on to charge, take 2 off the charger once home for home use, take those off in the a.m., put 2 on in the morning, take 4 with us to work. etc. etc. etc.
gets really old..
My 401, i charged last night, plugged it in with the atty this morning, got through the entire day with it and I just now changed it out (2.a.m.)...
I love not having to have a handful of charged batts and two bottles of juice with me to take to work every day...
I'll take the 401 for simple efficiency and ease of use.., to each his own though....
gets really old..
My 401, i charged last night, plugged it in with the atty this morning, got through the entire day with it and I just now changed it out (2.a.m.)...
I love not having to have a handful of charged batts and two bottles of juice with me to take to work every day...
I'll take the 401 for simple efficiency and ease of use.., to each his own though....
I followed the initial charge instructions and granted I am pretty rough on batteries (I can blow through an 801 battery in 4 hours), but unless the batteries take a few charges to break in I can't see using those things as anything more than the first power vape of the day with the morning coffee. My 4081 bats last almost twice as long and I don't take those out of the house. My thought on it is what makes the 510 good and bad is the manual switch. YOu get more vapor because you can lay on that switch, but you (or AT LEAST ME) burn the battery out faster too. I am really trying to like this thing because for the first 30 minutes its a nice change of pace, but I have too many other kits that get me through the day. To me as far as throat hit, build quality and battery life is concerned its a lot like my 4081 and what makes it more of a machine is the longer hit because of the manual switch. I keep putting a PCC in a 'cart' along with extra gear and erasing it every time I actually use the thing. THis just seems to there is just not one vaporizer for every vaper because I get good results with my 4081s and great results with my 401s (not vapor wise but durability and throat hit).
The thing I notice about the 510 is the nic delivery is tremendous versus the 401, the vapor, we all know. I'm satisfied with just a few hits, so battery life is not an issue. On the 401, I'd kill batteries TRYING to get vapor when it would quirk out. That and ALOT of wasted juice with no vapor.
I can take a few hits of the 510 - feel the satisfaction I'm looking for - put it down and walk away. The 401, I had to suck like a fiend and was still left wanting.
If the 510 batts last an hour, that's what i was getting out of the 402. Most days alot less. Whether the batteries dwindle to nothing after 8 weeks on the Mseries, I don't know. I do know the Mseries would take ALOT of sucking to heat the atomizer. With this switch, it does the work for me, so the hit is way shorter = longer battery life.
I'm loving the 510 though. NO comparison to the M series. Night and day.
I can take a few hits of the 510 - feel the satisfaction I'm looking for - put it down and walk away. The 401, I had to suck like a fiend and was still left wanting.
If the 510 batts last an hour, that's what i was getting out of the 402. Most days alot less. Whether the batteries dwindle to nothing after 8 weeks on the Mseries, I don't know. I do know the Mseries would take ALOT of sucking to heat the atomizer. With this switch, it does the work for me, so the hit is way shorter = longer battery life.
I'm loving the 510 though. NO comparison to the M series. Night and day.
Actually since this is a 510 vs. 401 thread the one fairly minor thing to consider is that automatic batteries are hands free (I have heard even from 510 junkies that their automatic batts are bad). I was someone who always had a smoke hanging out of my mouth and thats a tough habit for me to break so I could never really go 100% to a manual, mod, or even pen style (and I like my 801s alot for sitting around chillin'). Like I said thats a pretty minor consideration since I found that when using the 510 I still have it in my mouth and I 'sip' n it just not vaper and that doesn't seem to bother me much (in fact it should make the 510 battery last longer for me since I know I have sipped more than a few 401 batteries into an early trip to the charger).
I think certain PVs must fit certain peoples habits or something, because I have never had any 'quirky' 401 issues and I have parts from 4 different suppliers. They fire right up and work fine until the battery goes. In fact one of the things I like about them right off the bat was that there was no need for a 'primer puff'. My 4081s are kind of quirky so I understand what people are talking about but to me every 401 component I have ever gotten feels like it is machined and works well. Actually to be fair I have one set of batteries that is solid, but has that damn old school 2 minute time out which I have a knack for engaging. Those spend most of their time on the shelf too. I think we can all agree that that was a bad idea.
one other thing i was thinking is that 401's take a long time to break in. When i first got mine i thought, honestly, that is was crap.... Gave a wispy little pune of a vapor cloud and my first thought was to send it back. I couldn't believe that something i heard so much hype about would hit like this. granted, even when broken in, it can't compare to a 510 (or my friends KR808D-1) on vapor/throat hit... but, it does get better with age.
I'm now into week 2 with that atty and it hits almost as good as my SMs' do... Make sure you give them a chance if you do have them. i don't know why they take longer to break into usable territory, but, they do for some reason..
there's a lot of good info here. If you are a heavier smoker who doesn't care about juice efficiency or battery life, 510 will make you more than happy. If you were a lighter type smoker who doesn't want the hassle or burn through juice,,, 401 may be more up your alley..
I'm now into week 2 with that atty and it hits almost as good as my SMs' do... Make sure you give them a chance if you do have them. i don't know why they take longer to break into usable territory, but, they do for some reason..
there's a lot of good info here. If you are a heavier smoker who doesn't care about juice efficiency or battery life, 510 will make you more than happy. If you were a lighter type smoker who doesn't want the hassle or burn through juice,,, 401 may be more up your alley..
There is some truth to that definitely. I have to admit that when I was playing around with the 510 the first time I actually vaped myself a little dizzy for the first time since the first week off analogues, but if all I wanted was a quick hit of nicotine I would been able to quit with the gum. A lot of times especially when drinking I like to sit and puff awhile. That is certainly not what the 510 is made for. For a couple of quick junkie hits and on with your day, I can see using a 510. Like I said in an earlier post for me all I can see it being good for is some power hits with my first cup of coffee in the morning (which is good because the battery will be dead by the time I finish that second cup).
I have 3 510 batteries. Even without any AC power around,I can go all day off them.Did that for my Washington D.C. trip a few weeks ago.Left the hotel at 8 am and got back almost 7 that night every day.Third batt was in and still going. I can get 2-3 hours use from one usually.
At work or home its obviously not a problem keeping one on the charger,one in the unit,and one at the ready at all times.
One supplier has batteries for $8.50 now,so its not like they are expensive.....
And they have that cool little portable charge case now that ive only seen on 510 models.
Yeah the 510 hits harder.And as someone else wrote actually makes me use it a bit less often.
Because im not wasting time trying to get a "good hit" out of it!
But ive almost chain vaped at a bar with it and she does fine (dont drinking and smoking/vaping go so well together?). I just adjust the strength of the juice to somthing lower...As the juice should be deciding that anyway not the unit IMO.
Ive shelved my Npro (4081) since I got my 510.It is quirky and inconsistant in operation.When I did get a "good hit" off it,it had a nice throat hit/flavor too but that happened 25% of the time at best.The only atomizers that fit/worked decent was the original Npro one (the "generics" dont even screw into the battery without feeling almost like your cross threading it).Cart life is pathetic and filling it right requires a few "homemade" special tools. A quick top off usually leads to tasting raw juice as it leaks down the sides (which ive NEVER had with the 510.EVER).It also runs the risk of battery damage from juice leaking into it.I usually disasembled mine when it was in my shirt pocket because of this. And no more primer puffs! The carts I was buying cracked easier and were more finicky. One would look fine but not work worth a darn. A 510 cart lasts me over a week with little to no maintience.
The ONLY things I liked about my Npro was battery life was good.2 would go the whole day versus 3 for the 510. It was reliable but the thing would sometimes decide to come on by itself (and im not just refering to the cleaning cycle).
It resembled a cigarette if I didnt feel like getting asked questions (but if I was in one place for more than 10 minutes,id have to top the thing off again attracting MORE attention).
At work or home its obviously not a problem keeping one on the charger,one in the unit,and one at the ready at all times.
One supplier has batteries for $8.50 now,so its not like they are expensive.....
And they have that cool little portable charge case now that ive only seen on 510 models.
Yeah the 510 hits harder.And as someone else wrote actually makes me use it a bit less often.
Because im not wasting time trying to get a "good hit" out of it!
But ive almost chain vaped at a bar with it and she does fine (dont drinking and smoking/vaping go so well together?). I just adjust the strength of the juice to somthing lower...As the juice should be deciding that anyway not the unit IMO.
Ive shelved my Npro (4081) since I got my 510.It is quirky and inconsistant in operation.When I did get a "good hit" off it,it had a nice throat hit/flavor too but that happened 25% of the time at best.The only atomizers that fit/worked decent was the original Npro one (the "generics" dont even screw into the battery without feeling almost like your cross threading it).Cart life is pathetic and filling it right requires a few "homemade" special tools. A quick top off usually leads to tasting raw juice as it leaks down the sides (which ive NEVER had with the 510.EVER).It also runs the risk of battery damage from juice leaking into it.I usually disasembled mine when it was in my shirt pocket because of this. And no more primer puffs! The carts I was buying cracked easier and were more finicky. One would look fine but not work worth a darn. A 510 cart lasts me over a week with little to no maintience.
The ONLY things I liked about my Npro was battery life was good.2 would go the whole day versus 3 for the 510. It was reliable but the thing would sometimes decide to come on by itself (and im not just refering to the cleaning cycle).
It resembled a cigarette if I didnt feel like getting asked questions (but if I was in one place for more than 10 minutes,id have to top the thing off again attracting MORE attention).
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For those of you saying that you had to suck like crazy aand still not getting much from your 401... that might be the problem!
I catch myself doing this every now and then (I used to drag very hard on analogues) and the 'experience' drops off to a very unsatisfying vape. However, I have found that the M401 responds much more to a 'gentle' touch.
As I mentioned on a different thread, yesterday early evening when the late sun was streaming in through the window, I was using my Evo (M401) loaded with Ecopure and I actually lost sight of the TV screen on the other side of the room!
I catch myself doing this every now and then (I used to drag very hard on analogues) and the 'experience' drops off to a very unsatisfying vape. However, I have found that the M401 responds much more to a 'gentle' touch.
As I mentioned on a different thread, yesterday early evening when the late sun was streaming in through the window, I was using my Evo (M401) loaded with Ecopure and I actually lost sight of the TV screen on the other side of the room!
Same for the 510.A lighter,steady and sustained draw gives better results.Sucking out your fillings just makes your mouth hurt!
IMHO the 510 is still the best buy out of the box. Manual batteries, great size, great vapor WITH taste, bangin' throat hit with little effort. Drip to your heart's content because the batts are sealed. Dripping aside, several mistake overfills can cost you on any non-sealed batt. Why take the risk? Beginners will always overfill a cart or flood an atty on any model before they get the hang of it.
I watched the video review (nice one, btw) on the VX2 and it's quite obvious they are trying to turn a 901 into a larger 510. Totally not necessary unless they want to make manual batts, and then it would be an oversized 510. Larger carts? Really, who cares? By the time I get through a 510 cart, I'm ready to change flavors already. Carts can be too large for me (one of the things I dislike about my 801s). Carts can also be too small, like the super-minis & M401s.
So what's still the most perfect?
The 510.
I watched the video review (nice one, btw) on the VX2 and it's quite obvious they are trying to turn a 901 into a larger 510. Totally not necessary unless they want to make manual batts, and then it would be an oversized 510. Larger carts? Really, who cares? By the time I get through a 510 cart, I'm ready to change flavors already. Carts can be too large for me (one of the things I dislike about my 801s). Carts can also be too small, like the super-minis & M401s.
So what's still the most perfect?
The 510.
True - that's why I switch to 0 nic homebrew juice or mix it up with 36. I usually home brew my carts as I top them off depending on what nic level I'm looking for at the moment. Too time consuming to premake carts.
So the 510 meets my needs and I know longer need to chain vape like the 401 to get something out of it. I also don't have to trouble shoot it at all which is a pleasure. When I want to vape = it's ready to vape every time.
I do use a PT with the 510 at home. Never worry about the battery issue myself.
I was really surprised with the size of the 510. Liking the size of the 401's/2's I was afraid it was going to be a stick in my hand. It's the perfect size and weight. The 402 was actually heavier in my hand than the 510. Maybe it's the balance of this thing, I dunno. A joy to smoke though.
I have to back up Angela. I am a EVO (black edition so like a M402) user and have settled on ECOpure as my liquid. Really solid performance, 3-4 hours of battery life with moderate/heavy use. 2 hours if your not even breathing room air your vaping so much. My fist and heavily used atty is creeping up on being 2 months old. I only drip so it has had its fair share of flooding and cleaning. It did take a few days f heavy use to really get going but I have not had any reduction in performance. The 510 has certainly perked my interest, got to test drive a Yeti the other day and it is a very nice unit as well. although since I am anti-cart I found it pretty thirsty for the drip. The manual is a sweet deal tho. Especially if noise is an issue as the EVO/M401-2/Many others are activated by loud noise. Battery life on teh Yeti for me would neccesatate the PCC. Where witht eh evo I can just pack a single spare battery and be good for the day, I'd have to pack probably 3 spares for the Yeti. Can't go wrong really, just get a Yeti and an EVO! Evo by day, Yeti by night... hmmm where's my Visa card. Ether way give the ECOpure a shot. iGetcha says 510 (TECC Titan) + ECOpure = Crazy Vapor.. There's my Visa... got to go.
I find this entire thread interesting. I have had just about every major ecig out there, and right now my absolute favorite is the 510.
It pumps out tons of vapor
battery life is good (I have no idea why people say it's crap - more in a sec)
It's a little smaller than the 901 (when used with 901 cigar tips)
I can use the 901 tips (I hate round)
flavor has always been amazing on it (401/901=no better)
it has both manual and automatic batteries (that both seem to work great)
it has a manual passthrough
and most important, it has the PCC option (which allows me to go all day with no power... which is extremely important to me)
In regards to the 401... of all my small ecigs...
it runs at a good temp (not burning my lips like the 103)
carts hold a good amount of juice
never had battery issues (short life, failing)
atomizers pump out the vapour
it's thinner than most ecigs
awesome charging setup (all ecigs should have usb with wall adapter)
nice design (logo on side is nice, and option for silver/white exists)
What I find funny is when the 401 came out everyone was going on and on about how amazing it was, how it killed everything out there (with similar size), and now it seems to be on the most hated list. Have you guys ever thought that maybe you're just bored with what you have so you no longer like it? I mean nothing has changed with the M401... it's still a great smoke for short trips, etc. Same thing seems to be happening with the 510... it was all the rage initially and now everyones going back and saying "oh, flavor isn't as good, too hot, doesn't last, etc". When I bought the 510, I didn't expect it to last long (battery life), because I read it did not! When I actually got it, I found out it lasts quite a long time (trust me, I vape constant, and if it was dying after 45 min I wouldn't use it).
I am guilty of some of the blabbing... I mean the 901 WAS my favorite ecig... but I am not guilty of bashing it after upgrading... each ecig has it's place. You want a big cart, and nice flavor, get an 801, you want lots of colors in battery (most options) get a 901... you want tiny, get 103 or 401. It's all personal preference... I still go back to the 901 from time to time, but I find I enjoy the 510 more. if the 901 had a manual battery I don't see it being much different than the 510, aside from the 510 atomizer seems to be a little more hardcore. Aside from that, they almost seem like the same ecig. Each with benefits.
Any way... just wanted to add my 2 cents
It pumps out tons of vapor
battery life is good (I have no idea why people say it's crap - more in a sec)
It's a little smaller than the 901 (when used with 901 cigar tips)
I can use the 901 tips (I hate round)
flavor has always been amazing on it (401/901=no better)
it has both manual and automatic batteries (that both seem to work great)
it has a manual passthrough
and most important, it has the PCC option (which allows me to go all day with no power... which is extremely important to me)
In regards to the 401... of all my small ecigs...
it runs at a good temp (not burning my lips like the 103)
carts hold a good amount of juice
never had battery issues (short life, failing)
atomizers pump out the vapour
it's thinner than most ecigs
awesome charging setup (all ecigs should have usb with wall adapter)
nice design (logo on side is nice, and option for silver/white exists)
What I find funny is when the 401 came out everyone was going on and on about how amazing it was, how it killed everything out there (with similar size), and now it seems to be on the most hated list. Have you guys ever thought that maybe you're just bored with what you have so you no longer like it? I mean nothing has changed with the M401... it's still a great smoke for short trips, etc. Same thing seems to be happening with the 510... it was all the rage initially and now everyones going back and saying "oh, flavor isn't as good, too hot, doesn't last, etc". When I bought the 510, I didn't expect it to last long (battery life), because I read it did not! When I actually got it, I found out it lasts quite a long time (trust me, I vape constant, and if it was dying after 45 min I wouldn't use it).
I am guilty of some of the blabbing... I mean the 901 WAS my favorite ecig... but I am not guilty of bashing it after upgrading... each ecig has it's place. You want a big cart, and nice flavor, get an 801, you want lots of colors in battery (most options) get a 901... you want tiny, get 103 or 401. It's all personal preference... I still go back to the 901 from time to time, but I find I enjoy the 510 more. if the 901 had a manual battery I don't see it being much different than the 510, aside from the 510 atomizer seems to be a little more hardcore. Aside from that, they almost seem like the same ecig. Each with benefits.
Any way... just wanted to add my 2 cents
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