SE would make more money by no longer selling their e-cig kits that don't work and just change to advertisement kiosk... They could just have a bunch of pamphlets for companies that sell actual working products... Of course, the companies advertised would pay the fee to have their pamphlets handed out...
Many people have stopped vaping.
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I converted my wife and two in-laws, but I had to do all the up-front research. It's much easier when you can put somebody into a device that works well and is easy to maintain. The hands-on approach is best. 
When I first heard about e-cigs, I did a lot of research before investing. This was one of the first places I found and spent three weeks here, then went to cignot for my first (and all subsequent) kits. Proper information, and quality parts are essential for a good first impression and continued use. Anyone I talk to about e-cigarettes, or anyone I find out use e-cigs, I tell them about this place and cignot. A gaming buddy and his brother just went out to some shop and got some overpriced kits; I sent him to cignot and told him not to waste any more money!
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Great idea. I think ECF should look into setting up shop at the malls too. The ad fees they collect go to covering the kiosk and this forum.
It would be awfully hard to succeed with an off-the-shelf electronic cigarette and no guidance.
First you have to deal with automatic batteries, and inhalation techniques.
Getting past that without any guidance should almost be considered a miracle.
So now you're getting a good drag every now and then, you have to get past wicking issues.
Without guidance that is yet another tough obstacle to overcome.
At any point along the way you can easily come to the conclusion that these things are junk, that they don't work consistently, and just give up on them completely.
First you have to deal with automatic batteries, and inhalation techniques.
Getting past that without any guidance should almost be considered a miracle.
So now you're getting a good drag every now and then, you have to get past wicking issues.
Without guidance that is yet another tough obstacle to overcome.
At any point along the way you can easily come to the conclusion that these things are junk, that they don't work consistently, and just give up on them completely.
Yeah, but with the FDA breathing down our necks, it would be difficult to start organizing a pamphlet for distribution to the masses who smoke.
I'm sure that the ratio of people who have tried to quit analogs and given up on ecigs is far greater than the few of us in this forum. (I say few because there are 47million smokers estimated in the US, FOX said.) So we are a needle in a hay stack.
The people organising and distributing this informative pamphlet trying to help people quit would be viewed as outlaws.
Good idea for a movie this!
I'm sure that the ratio of people who have tried to quit analogs and given up on ecigs is far greater than the few of us in this forum. (I say few because there are 47million smokers estimated in the US, FOX said.) So we are a needle in a hay stack.
The people organising and distributing this informative pamphlet trying to help people quit would be viewed as outlaws.
Good idea for a movie this!
Someone might look into pamphlet distribution through smoke shops and the like. It would be a good way to avoid drawing the attention of the FDA, or pissing off folks who insist this is a gateway for minors, since smoke shops are so stringent with ID checks, and by their very nature exist outside the world of the non-smoker.
There is a head-shop near my place that sells a cheap SmokingEverywhere type knock-off, and I wonder if I ought to ask them if they would consider marketing something worthwhile, if not just so I could have juice and cartos nearby
Just a thought.
I feel very fortunate! I initially was NOT a motivated quitter of traditional cigs, but I saw a video clip of some guy vaping and it blew me away...I thought damn, that's smoking. So I ordered, spur of the moment, Kni*** Sti***, brand that was one of those free trials and they want you to get locked into automatic monthly orders. Luckily the original e-cig lasted about six hours and wasn't that bad - somehow I figured out how to smoke it and actually produce vapor....and I knew it would work for me. Again, luckily, I got out of the "Trial Program" - unscathed - and started searching the web for info and settled on a starter kit from SmokeTip. Good product, I liked it, it worked for me, but then I found ECF and started reading and learning, reading and learning...and then ordered from some suggested suppliers - new and better equipment and cartos - now I have three different brands of e-cigs for variety and utilize two to three different suppliers for cartos and am a very Happy and Grateful camper - smoke free six months.
This forum is invaluable, I've been able to help four co-workers to switch (entirely) to e-cigs and all are still smoke-free and very happy.
This forum is invaluable, I've been able to help four co-workers to switch (entirely) to e-cigs and all are still smoke-free and very happy.
What screws a lot of people over is falling for slick ads that offer sub-par products - luckily I came on this site when I was about to dump $100 in an Njoy pen style (not a bad product by far) and realized that generics offer way better value and performance much of the time than "name" brands. That has changed a bit now that the majority of start-ups here carry quality products and their own mods.
I did exactly this - I wasn't disapointed by another unit - I got my FIRST unit from advice here and haven't looked back.
I know it would be impossible and probably illegal, but it would be great if every e-cig sold that this forums web address included. I feel the main reason people aren't successful is they don't have the support and knowledge that this forum provides. I know for certain that I wouldn't be at the 14 month mark if it wasn't for all of you.
I wonder how many people are like my friend (the only other vaper I personally know). She bought one of the looks-like-a-cigarette 401-ish kits online, and if I recall, paid a fairly high (although not Smoking Everywhere level) price. For her, the goal was not to stop or seriously cut down smoking, but to have something for the times she can't smoke--a stealth puff at her desk here and there, a quick vape in the house when she doesn't feel like going outside. I think she might be on the original juice supply from the kit she bought early this year, and probably doesn't pick it up every day. But she hasn't abandoned it. I suspect there are many others who approach it like that.
I started out pretty much the same way (fairly similar PV and deal as hers), and with not particularly well defined goals for it. I'd say the big difference between her and my experiences is ECF and my getting steered to a product that seriously stood a chance of being a replacement for cigarettes. Five mos. later, I still smoke around four a day and immensely enjoy maybe two of those. (So far, mine is a "miracle cut-down" story instead of a "miracle quit" one.)
I guess we can't really know how much ECF-involvement influences people to stick with e-cigarettes. We occasionally hear from frustrated people who announce they're going back to smoking, and we hear from people who are done with nicotine. What I guess we can't gauge is how many people quietly leave both ECF and vaping. That said, I'd bet a fair amount that ECF-involvement is a pretty major success factor.
I started out pretty much the same way (fairly similar PV and deal as hers), and with not particularly well defined goals for it. I'd say the big difference between her and my experiences is ECF and my getting steered to a product that seriously stood a chance of being a replacement for cigarettes. Five mos. later, I still smoke around four a day and immensely enjoy maybe two of those. (So far, mine is a "miracle cut-down" story instead of a "miracle quit" one.)
I guess we can't really know how much ECF-involvement influences people to stick with e-cigarettes. We occasionally hear from frustrated people who announce they're going back to smoking, and we hear from people who are done with nicotine. What I guess we can't gauge is how many people quietly leave both ECF and vaping. That said, I'd bet a fair amount that ECF-involvement is a pretty major success factor.
I don't even remember what I was reading when I first heard about e-cigs, but I remember exactly what went through my mind.
First I thought "Do what? That won't work!"
Then I thought "Hmmm--I gotta try one of those things!"
(I love gadgets.)
All the talk about atomizers and batteries and juice--may as well have been in Hungarian--so I chose a 2-piece model which shall not be named here. I really just wanted to see if the thing even put out vapor. I had no intentions of using it on a regular basis, or even after the cartridges ran out. I just wanted to play with it.
When my new toy arrived, it took about an hour after the initial charging to realize these things had *promise.* The flavor of those first cartomizers was somewhere between air and an old breath mint you find in a drawer, and I wasn't very good at exhaling vapor, but I was getting sufficient nicotine to keep me from smoking analogs alongside the e-cig.
I knew I wasn't doing something right when I found videos of people demonstrating them. I was also able to figure out that all the atomizer talk wasn't something I needed an engineering degree too use, so I ordered a 401 kit. And an 801, too...
Then I found this site and was able to ask questions. My main question was "How come these videos show massive plumes of vapor, and all I can get is a piddling little cloud?"
That was the first I heard of the learning curve, and thanks to the helpful folks on here I was able to correct my errors.
If I had just been turned loose with the things with no one to help, I would have kept them as a conversation piece, but not used them regularly at all.
As it turned out, though, after the first week of being told what I was doing wrong I preferred vaping to smoking, and within two weeks I wasn't smoking cigarettes, I was vaping exclusively.
I don't remember how many people I have given this site to, and vendors that I can personally vouch for. I do know some of them have actually started vaping and passed their new knowledge onto others, though, even when they did not necessarily keep it up.
The people that I *know* gave it up were those who gave themselves weird deadlines--like "When I get it, I am never going to smoke again" and then two weeks later would say "Now I am going to stop vaping, too!" And within two days were crying that they were back on analogs. (Why they went back to cigarettes instead of back to vaping, I do *not* understand.)
But this site is wonderfully helpful. And so are videos that demonstrate how to use them. (Videos that just show people vaping and issuing forth massive vapor clouds have amusement value, but are of no real help.) Spikey had videos on here when I first came on, and she showed how to clean them and everything--her videos were a great help! We need more like that.
I think a lot of people give up out of frustration that is totally unnecessary.
(Just for full disclosure: A while back I started smoking one cigarette per week, just because I was turning into a big horse's rear end when I smelled smoke. I never said anything to anyone, but I thought a lot. So I *try* to smoke 1 cigarette a week. Most weeks I don't smoke one, though.)
First I thought "Do what? That won't work!"
Then I thought "Hmmm--I gotta try one of those things!"
(I love gadgets.)All the talk about atomizers and batteries and juice--may as well have been in Hungarian--so I chose a 2-piece model which shall not be named here. I really just wanted to see if the thing even put out vapor. I had no intentions of using it on a regular basis, or even after the cartridges ran out. I just wanted to play with it.
When my new toy arrived, it took about an hour after the initial charging to realize these things had *promise.* The flavor of those first cartomizers was somewhere between air and an old breath mint you find in a drawer, and I wasn't very good at exhaling vapor, but I was getting sufficient nicotine to keep me from smoking analogs alongside the e-cig.
I knew I wasn't doing something right when I found videos of people demonstrating them. I was also able to figure out that all the atomizer talk wasn't something I needed an engineering degree too use, so I ordered a 401 kit. And an 801, too...
Then I found this site and was able to ask questions. My main question was "How come these videos show massive plumes of vapor, and all I can get is a piddling little cloud?"
That was the first I heard of the learning curve, and thanks to the helpful folks on here I was able to correct my errors.
If I had just been turned loose with the things with no one to help, I would have kept them as a conversation piece, but not used them regularly at all.
As it turned out, though, after the first week of being told what I was doing wrong I preferred vaping to smoking, and within two weeks I wasn't smoking cigarettes, I was vaping exclusively.
I don't remember how many people I have given this site to, and vendors that I can personally vouch for. I do know some of them have actually started vaping and passed their new knowledge onto others, though, even when they did not necessarily keep it up.
The people that I *know* gave it up were those who gave themselves weird deadlines--like "When I get it, I am never going to smoke again" and then two weeks later would say "Now I am going to stop vaping, too!" And within two days were crying that they were back on analogs. (Why they went back to cigarettes instead of back to vaping, I do *not* understand.)
But this site is wonderfully helpful. And so are videos that demonstrate how to use them. (Videos that just show people vaping and issuing forth massive vapor clouds have amusement value, but are of no real help.) Spikey had videos on here when I first came on, and she showed how to clean them and everything--her videos were a great help! We need more like that.
I think a lot of people give up out of frustration that is totally unnecessary.
(Just for full disclosure: A while back I started smoking one cigarette per week, just because I was turning into a big horse's rear end when I smelled smoke. I never said anything to anyone, but I thought a lot. So I *try* to smoke 1 cigarette a week. Most weeks I don't smoke one, though.)
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I think a new vaper or a smoker interested in vaping should be educated. PV's are not magic, you first need to look at the mirror and ask yourself if it's worth going on with chemiotherapy ( that's what smoking really is). After the obvious answer people need to know what to expect from a PV. Those answer like it's not working for me, it's not like smoking just proves the person doesn't want to do the minimum effort to stop smoking. I must be honest. I suffered cravings a lot during the first days even if I had my EVO constantly in my mouth, but this didn't stop my will to quit smoking and so I did. The psychological help I had is incredible, because apart from the first 4-5 days your body has cleaned at least from those substances that synergically empower the addiction. The truth is that smoking is more a mental addiction that really makes it subtle and deadly.
I would guess it's more that many people have been totally unable to vape their new e-cig because of the lack of support from those kiosks and hi-end $ websites. So they didn't stop vaping so much as they were never able to get started.
I think this is because those are business models revolving more around "stupid" marketing, low cost, and high profit than around a quality and service business model. These corporations are not so much selling e-cigs as they are "gaming" capitalism in the absence of sufficient competition.
But once a certain critical mass market size is reached, and the regulatory status (fda, etc.) of e-cigs becomes more stable, large distributors will start selling in an educated way, differentiating themselves through higher quality and support.
Then, if the market keeps growing beyond that, large corporations (probably like cigarette manufacturers) will begin making their own models, perhaps first knock-offs, and then more original designs with improvements. I predict that they will make a serious attempt to continue and enforce the razors and blades sales model to profit through prefilled cartridges.
I think this is because those are business models revolving more around "stupid" marketing, low cost, and high profit than around a quality and service business model. These corporations are not so much selling e-cigs as they are "gaming" capitalism in the absence of sufficient competition.
But once a certain critical mass market size is reached, and the regulatory status (fda, etc.) of e-cigs becomes more stable, large distributors will start selling in an educated way, differentiating themselves through higher quality and support.
Then, if the market keeps growing beyond that, large corporations (probably like cigarette manufacturers) will begin making their own models, perhaps first knock-offs, and then more original designs with improvements. I predict that they will make a serious attempt to continue and enforce the razors and blades sales model to profit through prefilled cartridges.
I have to jump in here too, I never figured on the learning curve, the batteries dying, the attys giving out, and trying to decide which was happening, and all the hassle of having to pack up for a two hour outing to the store. (Just to stay calm.) But I did it all, just for the pure pleasure of staying off cigarettes. From day one. It got frenzied quite a few times.
But here is the kicker: if you need to stop smoking cause it's finally going to kill you, and you know that with no doubt, and too many memories of miserable, painful, stinking failure, the blubbering crying jags in the bathroom, alone, why me, why me, I can't do this, you get into a new method of habitual stocking up on consumables and that "perfect" juice I had to learn how to make it myself, the whole thing seems absolutely do-able!! IF you NEED to.
But everyone is right, you do need a place to go commiserate, to learn, just keeping going, it will be good enough sometimes to keep you going. ECF saved me more than one time!!
I've dropped down my vaping and my Nicotine density (about 12mg per day), but I think I'll just stay where I'm at for awhile longer. Still having problems with switches, attys, the "perfect" juice still works for me, and I do need a little "nic" for my brain to work at it's best! (ADD, lifelong) All in all it certainly is "Do-Able"!!! I hate chewing gum, patches make me break out in red square-shaped itchy blotches, and I won't give a penny to BIG PHARMA for pills that would probably make me crazy, so this vaping thing is PERFECT FOR ME! I smoked a LOT for 44 years, I think I'll give vaping a fair chance. Another 44 years should do it.
So, those that have opted out will some day wish they had tried a little harder, made it their personal goal to learn as much as possible to achieve something worthwhile. With or without the Blessing of Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, and Big Brother.
Crazy me.
But here is the kicker: if you need to stop smoking cause it's finally going to kill you, and you know that with no doubt, and too many memories of miserable, painful, stinking failure, the blubbering crying jags in the bathroom, alone, why me, why me, I can't do this, you get into a new method of habitual stocking up on consumables and that "perfect" juice I had to learn how to make it myself, the whole thing seems absolutely do-able!! IF you NEED to.
But everyone is right, you do need a place to go commiserate, to learn, just keeping going, it will be good enough sometimes to keep you going. ECF saved me more than one time!!
I've dropped down my vaping and my Nicotine density (about 12mg per day), but I think I'll just stay where I'm at for awhile longer. Still having problems with switches, attys, the "perfect" juice still works for me, and I do need a little "nic" for my brain to work at it's best! (ADD, lifelong) All in all it certainly is "Do-Able"!!! I hate chewing gum, patches make me break out in red square-shaped itchy blotches, and I won't give a penny to BIG PHARMA for pills that would probably make me crazy, so this vaping thing is PERFECT FOR ME! I smoked a LOT for 44 years, I think I'll give vaping a fair chance. Another 44 years should do it.
So, those that have opted out will some day wish they had tried a little harder, made it their personal goal to learn as much as possible to achieve something worthwhile. With or without the Blessing of Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, and Big Brother.
Crazy me.
I agree with you kate, you're not crazy
After a month of vaping I finally realise the real lie of tobacco. The addiction to cigarettes is so strong that makes you believe that without them, you won't ever be able to enjoy some moments in your life like after a meal, after coffe, and so on. Cigarettes do brainwash, they destroy your self-confidence and rule your life keeping you in control with chains, and they do it both physically and mentally. It took me almost a month to realise this all, but with these e-cigarettes I can finally see the end of the tunnel and understand what I have been doing for years. I have been smoking for 7 years and I'm 22, I couldn't see myself as a smoker for the rest of my life.
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Like so many others I'm just thankful that I found this forum before I bought an e-cig. If I'd bought some scam unit from an internet ad or a mall kiosk I fear I'd have tossed it and still be smoking cigarettes.
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