Marketing to kids

[Jman8]

So, the answer is to just throw gas on the fire? Now, of all times?

That's one way of spinning things.

The answer is to stick to what we currently understand with regards to vaping, the scientific data that supports vaping, and the innovation that comes from being in the golden era of vaping.

I have very little issue with a kid vaping (nicotine). But I accept that I live in a world where majority of adults don't wish to allow such a thing. Part of that acceptance includes rationale that if vaping products are being made that could, theoretically, appeal to kids, that it really doesn't matter, for 2 reasons. Political reason that needs to be mentioned (often) is that all such gear is not/cannot be made just for kids, and likely is being made for adults that are nostalgic for things they liked ever since they were kids. 2nd reason it doesn't matter is because kids are very unlikely to want the things that adults think they'll want. Which is perhaps a matter of opinion, but one I stand by. Kids that vape are likely ignorant of the many things we think dance on some line and I believe has nothing to do with their purchasing decisions. In my experience, kids want to do the forbidden things that make them appear more adult like, and adults want to enjoy things that make them feel more kid-like.

 

[DC2]

This is one of my favorites mods of all time, and I want one bad...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/73135-pezz-candy-dispencer-mod.html

 

[Janusxvii]

I say why not. Those who would seek to attack this community will spin anything and everything they can in an attempt to drum up sympathy for their cause. For the sake of compromise I'll give them the no sales to minors, child-proof caps, ingredient listings, and even a warning label for anyone who might be ignorant enough to not know that nicotine is addictive. Beyond that though all I have are unpleasant words for them. While it does seem somewhat reasonable at first glance to apply the logic that since we are under a microscope we all individually need to check ourselves for anything that could be used against us collectively the logic in that sentiment seems faulty to me given the people we are dealing with. In order to "appropriately" conduct ourselves we would have to make so many concessions that we end up behaving in a manner that would be more akin to someone doing something that they know they should be ashamed of. The trick is to compromise just enough that nobody can accuse us of being heartless monsters who don't care about the welfare of children without sounding insane. Beyond that point though, I don't think there should be anything but defiance. Honestly, minors who want to vape are going to do so regardless of whether there are laws prohibiting it or not. How many of us waited until we were of legal age to smoke, drink, etc.? I know I didn't. The only thing being of legal age meant to me back then was that it was less of a hassle and I didn't have to sneak around behind my parents backs to do said activities. Will the ANTZ and their media mouthpieces throw a fit if they catch wind of mods like these, probably. Honestly though they are going to throw a fit over anything they possibly can and I don't see the point in walking on eggshells to try appeasing them. Also on a side note, does anyone know how much these mods are selling for?

 

[Jman8]

While it does seem somewhat reasonable at first glance to apply the logic that since we are under a microscope we all individually need to check ourselves for anything that could be used against us collectively the logic in that sentiment seems faulty to me given the people we are dealing with. In order to "appropriately" conduct ourselves we would have to make so many concessions that we end up behaving in a manner that would be more akin to someone doing something that they know they should be ashamed of.

Very good points right here.

If our opposition spoke directly with us, earnestly seeking to come up with (truly) reasonable regulations, that would be one thing.

Instead, based largely on the way smoking has been treated for at least 20 years and how vaping is thus far showing up in rhetoric of our opposition, their underlying strategy is shaming. They didn't invent such a strategy, and if politics of smoking/smoker's rights are any indication, it certainly can be successful as a strategy. I currently know of zero smokers who don't find some amount of shame when smoking indoors around non-smokers. Just writing that sentence, I imagine a whole bunch of ex-smokers (many of you) saying, "that's a good thing." As in, you shouldn't feel good about smoking around non-smokers. But ought to feel bad. Which is 180 from what used to be when SHS was literally everywhere, and magically humanity didn't become extinct. And is also seemingly a time in history that people about 30 years older than me are nostalgic for.

Already, regardless of what FDA is doing, we are living in an America where some (major) cities have managed to shame SHV and indoor use around other non-vapers (gasp). Working pretty hard on shaming anyone that would dare like "grape mint" or "cherry crush." And general shaming around idea of "you didn't really quit."

Our opposition rarely, if ever, talks with us. They talk at us. And because of this many vapers are at a point where we seek to appease them. Stop the presses! Some adult is daring to vape out of a spiderman device. Won't anyone think of the children??? How dare a vaper enjoy themselves with such a device.

To which I say be proud to be defiant on that front. (Self) shaming is not becoming of the modern day vaper.

 

[DC2]

I say why not. Those who would seek to attack this community will spin anything and everything they can in an attempt to drum up sympathy for their cause. For the sake of compromise I'll give them the no sales to minors, child-proof caps, ingredient listings, and even a warning label for anyone who might be ignorant enough to not know that nicotine is addictive. Beyond that though all I have are unpleasant words for them. While it does seem somewhat reasonable at first glance to apply the logic that since we are under a microscope we all individually need to check ourselves for anything that could be used against us collectively the logic in that sentiment seems faulty to me given the people we are dealing with. In order to "appropriately" conduct ourselves we would have to make so many concessions that we end up behaving in a manner that would be more akin to someone doing something that they know they should be ashamed of. The trick is to compromise just enough that nobody can accuse us of being heartless monsters who don't care about the welfare of children without sounding insane. Beyond that point though, I don't think there should be anything but defiance. Honestly, minors who want to vape are going to do so regardless of whether there are laws prohibiting it or not. How many of us waited until we were of legal age to smoke, drink, etc.? I know I didn't. The only thing being of legal age meant to me back then was that it was less of a hassle and I didn't have to sneak around behind my parents backs to do said activities. Will the ANTZ and their media mouthpieces throw a fit if they catch wind of mods like these, probably. Honestly though they are going to throw a fit over anything they possibly can and I don't see the point in walking on eggshells to try appeasing them. Also on a side note, does anyone know how much these mods are selling for?

I think if we all look into our hearts, most of us know everything you said is 100% true.
And in a perfect world, none of this would even be up for discussion.

As it is, this world is not perfect.
In fact, far from it.

So where does that leave us?
Hell if I know.

 

[Chelonian]

I have dealt with this attitude before.

At the end, it boils down to "I want to, and you cant stop me. I dont care if you dont like it"

Its the attitude that the people have who spew huge clouds amongst non vapers who are obviously annoyed by it.

And it ends the same way every time.

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[Janusxvii]

I have dealt with this attitude before.

At the end, it boils down to "I want to, and you cant stop me. I dont care if you dont like it"

Its the attitude that the people have who spew huge clouds amongst non vapers who are obviously annoyed by it.

And it ends the same way every time.

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I might be wrong but are you referring to my post? After rereading I can understand why my sentiments might be construed as me saying "I'm going to vape wherever, whenever, and the hell with anyone I offend". However that is not my point at all. Etiquette and courtesy are one thing, bending over backwards to appease the anti's is something else entirely. I think everyone should exercise a degree of courtesy and respect, especially when the rights of a property owner are involved. For example, the only places I will vape indoors are my home, at work (it is expressly permitted by the owner who is also a vaper), vape shops, and the homes of friends and family who have given me permission to do so. Outside I consider it fair game though I am more than willing to stop or move along if I am on private property and the owner/manager/etc. requests that I do so. It should go without saying that I don't exhale vapor into peoples faces since I see that as being just as rude as blowing smoke in someone's face. I'm not a cloud chaser, but if I ever did build a cloud chasing setup I would be far more conscientious of where I did that since I'm sure it would attract additional attention. I think that by adhering to those personal policies I am being reasonably considerate. Now if someone wants to take issue with what my device looks like or that I am vaping in public at all, or that I'm not in a designated smoking corral and there aren't the previously mentioned property rights involved then no I'm not going to feel terribly inclined to act in a manner that is less offensive to them.