Maxx Fusion Cartomizer Autopsy and Parts Explenation

[MichelleDen]

just pulled another soft cap kanger. I was mistaken in my earlier post. They do have the same two half rings of somthing sitting on the bottom of the wick... But they take VG fine and dont give neither a dishrag/urine or burnt taste.. It is just the Oring in the batt end connection that is different then.. maybe also the filler mat...

 

[Goldenkobold]

Im still leaning towards a wicking issue....we should have a pool.

 

[Katya]

So am I. For what it's worth.

 

[MichelleDen]

that would maybe point to filler not beeing able to let the juice through properly.. but arent there several people reporting odd tastes with their pg too?

 

[Newme]

I rarely get that burnt smell, but the dishrag/urine scent, I do smell that in mine. What is that anyway?

 

[DeeLeeKay]

Leaford said in the other thread that the adhesive is made of silicone. That it does not melt or outgas.

 

[Darrigaaz]

Leaford said in the other thread that the adhesive is made of silicone. That it does not melt or outgas.

Well not all silicone is created equal. Silicone dioxide is used in the manufacture of all silicones, including silicone caulk (adhesive). When silicone foam or caulk burns, it produces silica fume.

Note: There is disagreement between various web or textbook sources about the temperature needed to ignite the silicon, varying from 400°C to well over 1000°C. In fact, there isn't a "right" answer to this. It depends on what sort of silicon you are talking about and how finely divided it is. For example, one of the amorphous (non-crystalline powder) forms of silicon even catches fire spontaneously in air at room temperature. Other forms need higher temperatures and a richer oxygen supply.

Also, some silicone adhesives contain the solvent tetrachloroethylene that get released when burned.

All silicone will eventually burn & outgas at a specific temperature... The question is, what temperature is needed for the specific silicone adhesive that is being used. The MSDS will be extremely helpful for this, and until it is inspected, this is not a problem that should be "sweeped under the rug" as some posters seem to suggest.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

Did you read what Leaford wrote?

 

[DeeLeeKay]

Hi guys,

I am very sorry for the late response. My crappy tablet computer crashed over the weekend. I'm buying a used mac from a friend tomorrow to get myself back in the game, I'm borrowing it to make this post.

I am trying to skim this thread at least, and the other one too, but I'm only half way through. And I have already shared your pics with our engineer.

None of the parts shown are plastic or melted. The "melted" looking part is actually a silicon adhesive used to attach the fibrous airtube to the threaded metal base. The "plastic" ring at the bottom is also silicon, and sometimes it gets stuck in the silicon before it dries. If you take apart an empty, unused carto it will look exactly the same.

Both the ring and the adhesive are high temperature silicons which do not outgass or melt under heat. They are not burn proof in flame, but they don't melt or deform as they burn. I've tested that. I am waiting on specific material names and MSDS sheets in english.

As far as a suspect in causing the burnt taste, I doubt it. But we will be dissecting all cartos as we test, so I'll make sure we look for any burning or discoloration on the silicon parts as well.

Cryx, thanks for bringing this up, and please continue to point out anything else you find. It would be nice if we could point

Here is what Leaford wrote in the other thread.

 

[Darrigaaz]

Did you read what Leaford wrote?

Yes, and did you read what I wrote?

 

[DeeLeeKay]

Yeah.

I am for one tired of the sky is falling and jumping to conclusions mentality here. There is a basic disagreement between what you claim and Leaford claimed.

You are saying that the silicone can outgas and he says no. I can't address the situation as I am not an expert in silicone. Which is why I brought his comments from the other thread here.

 

[nycsublimegirl]

lets let this rest until leaford can name what he says in the below...then there will be no issue... no one is trying to sweep this under the rug..just let him have a reasonable amount of time to get the information translated.
thanks

"Both the ring and the adhesive are high temperature silicons which do not outgass or melt under heat. They are not burn proof in flame, but they don't melt or deform as they burn. I've tested that. I am waiting on specific material names and MSDS sheets in english"

 

[Darrigaaz]

Why is it that whenever somebody brings in information that could be helpful, you think that the person is claiming "the sky is falling"?

I think most of the posters here are just trying to have a peaceful discussion about a problem that has surfaced and are trying to identify it. Leaford posted that he "doubts" that the problem lies with the silicone. He's trying to address the burning taste. I've known Leaford and talked with him extensively about things in the past. I thought I'd throw in a little information I've gathered to try to help find the problem.

I know I'm not currently a customer of Bloog. The reason I started reading this forum a week ago was so that I could decide whether Bloog would be a good place to order some stuff from. If my posting is bothering you, please let me know and I'll just start looking around at other companies to try stuff out at.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

I am going to do as NYC has suggested and let this rest.

 

[pmos69]

The info you provided is welcomed, of course.
I think some people just didn't like the claim about "sweeping the problem under the rug".

That's not even very logical when there are 2 threads open discussing the problem at the moment and Leaford has chimmed in saying he is investigating and will get to the bottom of this.

 

[Kembial]

I know I'm not currently a customer of Bloog. The reason I started reading this forum a week ago was so that I could decide whether Bloog would be a good place to order some stuff from. If my posting is bothering you, please let me know and I'll just start looking around at other companies to try stuff out at.

Please don't play the guilt trip card. If you've read both of these threads then you should understand it's pretty much full of people on the edge with their personal opinions and concerns. Taking offense at an opposing post is just silly, at this point. And it's a little tiring diffusing emotional arguments.

Your choice of suppliers is up to you and ONLY you. You can take your ball and go home, if that's what you feel, but it's not our problem, and we are not obligated to feel bad about it, OR threatened. If you're not willing to make your decision based on the product rather than your interaction with forum posters in a VOLATILE thread, then that's your deal.

If you present a position in these threads, be prepared for an opposing view. That's just the state of the sub-forum until the situation gets resolved. Handle your own feelings like an adult.

 

[Rift]

Well not all silicone is created equal. Silicone dioxide is used in the manufacture of all silicones, including silicone caulk (adhesive). When silicone foam or caulk burns, it produces silica fume.

Note: There is disagreement between various web or textbook sources about the temperature needed to ignite the silicon, varying from 400°C to well over 1000°C. In fact, there isn't a "right" answer to this. It depends on what sort of silicon you are talking about and how finely divided it is. For example, one of the amorphous (non-crystalline powder) forms of silicon even catches fire spontaneously in air at room temperature. Other forms need higher temperatures and a richer oxygen supply.

Also, some silicone adhesives contain the solvent tetrachloroethylene that get released when burned.

All silicone will eventually burn & outgas at a specific temperature... The question is, what temperature is needed for the specific silicone adhesive that is being used. The MSDS will be extremely helpful for this, and until it is inspected, this is not a problem that should be "sweeped under the rug" as some posters seem to suggest.

I couldn't agree more with this bit of information. Every silicone is not equal, and I agree the MSDS will be helpful with this.

 

[MrHyde]

Wow...from the last few posts, it seems a few people are pretty wound up. Someone brings helpful information to a thread that seems to be going critical and he gets jumped on. Lots of angst, stress and argument going on in an unhealthy manner.

I believe everyone should take a deep breath, calm down some, and if argument is needed...perhaps try to do so without the pitchforks and burning torches.

 

[Rosco]

Yep...love the "block" feature. It sure has great value and for the first time, I used it. It will be nice to be able to ignore certain .......

 

[analog]

Oh geez people. So far as I can tell, all the discussion has been healthy, with a very few exceptions of "talking about talking about". Yes, some people are more worried than others. Some people are more trusting than others. Isn't it to be expected a lot of us will have different perspectives, even be a little touchy about something so important to us, where we might have been burned in the past? (pun intended).

All in all we want the same thing, just with slightly different nuances, thresholds and perspectives. And that's A-OK. At least for myself I can say it has been pleasure to read everyone's perspective, thank you for sharing it with me. I certainly have no intention of blocking any of you out!