Maybe the FDA Can Semi-Objectively Regulate E-Cigs?

[Cas002]

Ok, I know most readers are already starting to read this thinking "no way" after reading the title but yesterday there was some evidence that maybe they are data-driven and possibly even a little rational and politically agnostic! They approved the first cannabidiol based drug ever - Epidiolex for epilepsy. It was a unanimous vote by the FDA advisory council of 13-0 which is encouraging. This might be a glimpse into how the process going forward to regulate e-cigs, and other products, may be less restrictive than we think. Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic but that's just me.

[a gif of me getting burned by a flamethrower goes here]

 

[CagedSpam]

FDA just FDA'in

quote from Salon - "most health insurance networks would cover Epidiolex. This is a good thing since the drug is expected to cost patients up to $60,000 per year."

 

[Anise]

This is a US agency. They don't know how to semi-regulate anything Either its over regulated or its ignored hoping it will just go away. Sigh

 

[ScottP]

Let's see, approving that drug adds to FDA funding, getting rid of ecigs helps the FDA's funding. Yeah I can guess where this is heading.

 

[bobwho77]

Rather see the CPSC handle the hardware end of things, while FDA monitors the purity/quality of juices, flavorings, and concentrates.

 

[Eskie]

And I found out that Santa Claus is real!

Sure, we can hope for evidenced based scientific decisions to be made. After all, that really is the task for an agency like the FDA. But lobbyists and politicians undermined that principle decades ago. I don't blame the agency itself. I do blame the outside influences for corrupting that principle.

 

[Vaperer]

I thought that was available for quite some time. Wasn't there a capsule called Marinol?
insurance won't cover it.
Maybe this new one is. The future looks bright!
AGREED ON CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT!
There's no Santa Clause ?

 

[stols001]

Cannibanoid meds have been around for ever. I think they're schedule 3, or they were the last time I checked. Marinol is covered by SOME insurance plans, not all, and has been for some time.

Most Cannibanoid meds are considered "okay" even by Federal Government employers, if there's a good reason for using them. There is a specific marker (either present or absent) compared to the real stuff, if it's prescribed by your doc, drug testing labs can discriminate between those medicines, vs the real stuff. I know all this because mah kiddo has terrible inflammatory diseases, and it's pretty much the only thing that worked for him. We went that route before the cost defeated me and I became his adult "caregiver" until he came of age.

I will say, the cannibanoid medications work, with less of a psychoactive affect (IMO). I am happy to hear that another is available as not everyone wants to, you know, take the other approach.

I'm not sure it has much to do with vaping, other than perhaps a slight hope that vaping will be treated a bit more kindly, there was a good article posted on here a couple days ago, might've been the deeming thread, that the FDA was not going to ask for any data readings coils on the market for now, but potentially other hardware too, here's hoping

Anna

 

[Vaperer]

Cannibanoid meds have been around for ever. I think they're schedule 3, or they were the last time I checked. Marinol is covered by SOME insurance plans, not all, and has been for some time.

Most Cannibanoid meds are considered "okay" even by Federal Government employers, if there's a good reason for using them. There is a specific marker (either present or absent) compared to the real stuff, if it's prescribed by your doc, drug testing labs can discriminate between those medicines, vs the real stuff. I know all this because mah kiddo has terrible inflammatory diseases, and it's pretty much the only thing that worked for him. We went that route before the cost defeated me and I became his adult "caregiver" until he came of age.

I will say, the cannibanoid medications work, with less of a psychoactive affect (IMO). I am happy to hear that another is available as not everyone wants to, you know, take the other approach.

I'm not sure it has much to do with vaping, other than perhaps a slight hope that vaping will be treated a bit more kindly, there was a good article posted on here a couple days ago, might've been the deeming thread, that the FDA was not going to ask for any data readings coils on the market for now, but potentially other hardware too, here's hoping


Anna

I have a license for the stuff that you roll. It's very expensive. But it sure works for my ailments.

 

[93gc40]

Governments regulation is NEVER objective..... it ONLY enables the BIGGER companies in an industry survive.... Ie Philip Morris and China will do better after regulation than any custom mod builders or Vape sellers or customers.


There is a reason Facebook and silicon valley is OK with regulation of its industry..... regulation ELIMINATES competition.

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[stols001]

Yep my thoughts may be: lets let a few more cannibanoid meds on the market (super expensive) and then outlaw the rest. Only, cannibanoid medications have VAST differences between the organic whole, not to mention, then we are "paying" the pharma folk instead of the burgeoning OTHER market, which at least around here has generated SO MANY jobs. IDK. I hope I'm being dire, but I know, almost as a fact, that the president has been toting "pharma improvements" around for a while, and we know Sessions hates everything that can fix you (even if it truly does) if ONE person can locate enjoyment in it.

Also, good luck finding a doc to prescribe that sort of stuff. I was lucky enough to encounter one for my kid, but fortune sent a Vaping PCP my way (both things) and he apparently gives less than a rat's rear about whether he's going to be scolded for prescribing schedule III medications. They're a weird bunch of meds to prescribe with some legal hurdles. I'm going to imagine it would be hard to find a doc willing to prescribe Marinol off label for anything other than severe wasting caused by cancer or by AIDS. That is the only thing it is "technically" approved for, and prescribing schedule III off label is the type of thing that makes most docs pretend they've never heard of it, (even if they have) rather than prescribing it.

I guess we will see. Etc.

Anna

 

[Vaperer]

Yep my thoughts may be: lets let a few more cannibanoid meds on the market (super expensive) and then outlaw the rest. Only, cannibanoid medications have VAST differences between the organic whole, not to mention, then we are "paying" the pharma folk instead of the burgeoning OTHER market, which at least around here has generated SO MANY jobs. IDK. I hope I'm being dire, but I know, almost as a fact, that the president has been toting "pharma improvements" around for a while, and we know Sessions hates everything that can fix you (even if it truly does) if ONE person can locate enjoyment in it.

Also, good luck finding a doc to prescribe that sort of stuff. I was lucky enough to encounter one for my kid, but fortune sent a Vaping PCP my way (both things) and he apparently gives less than a rat's rear about whether he's going to be scolded for prescribing schedule III medications. They're a weird bunch of meds to prescribe with some legal hurdles. I'm going to imagine it would be hard to find a doc willing to prescribe Marinol off label for anything other than severe wasting caused by cancer or by AIDS. That is the only thing it is "technically" approved for, and prescribing schedule III off label is the type of thing that makes most docs pretend they've never heard of it, (even if they have) rather than prescribing it.

I guess we will see. Etc.

Anna

I wish the president would fire that guy. I seen you called the thingy organic very crafty. I had to be examined by a special doctor. Without that recommendation it's not happening..

 

[smacuser]

 

[CMD-Ky]

I agree but I would add that for every successful "corruptor" there must be a willing "corruptee". To pervert this process, it will take two morally compromised people.

And I found out that Santa Claus is real!

Sure, we can hope for evidenced based scientific decisions to be made. After all, that really is the task for an agency like the FDA. But lobbyists and politicians undermined that principle decades ago. I don't blame the agency itself. I do blame the outside influences for corrupting that principle.