Mechs ohm laws wire choice is over whelming

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I'm going go over the thread one more time what I gathered tho is if I'm at .3 ohms I should be ok with a single battery mech with my vtc5s and if I go 5as I would be good with. 2 is that correct

Getting a rx200 converted into a squonk seems very appealing to me as it would be regulated and dual battery squonker

But I don't want to fork out that kind of cash just yet to see if I dig squonking I've been looking at the 528 drip tech d's clone as it's cheap n with my 5s I should be safe at .2ohms is that correct?
I want to squonk at home and use my paranormal and rtas in the real world work out and about on the day
 
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I'm going go over the thread one more time what I gathered tho is if I'm at .3 ohms I should be ok with a single battery mech with my vtc5s and if I go 5as I would be good with. 2 is that correct
Let's run the calculator:

VTC5 is a 20 amp battery.
Battery voltage is 4.2 volts. 4.2 goes into the voltage window.
Your asking about a 0.3 ohm build. This goes into the resistance window.
Click calculate.
Amp draw is 14 amps.
So yes you are correct. A 14 amp draw is under the 20 amp limit of the battery.
Not so hard to understand, huh?

VTC5A is a 25 amp battery.
Voltage is 4.2
Resistance is 0.2 ohm
Amp draw on a 0.2 ohm coil is 21 amps, so you are under the 25 amp limit.

Personally, I'd build a little higher resistance, maybe 0.3 - 0.4 ohm just to have some safety headroom, but that's me. You already indicated that your ohm readers have been giving inconsistant results.

So you see, its not really hard to do these computations yourself.
 
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You might be over thinking this.

The Sony vtc5 is a good 20a CDR cell.
The vtc5A is a good 25a CDR cell.
As a slight built in safety factor always use 4.2v when calculating battery amp drain.
4.2v / .3Ω = 14a
4.2v / .2Ω = 21a

Now determine your own personal safety comfort level keeping in mind:
As batteries are used & age the lose capacity which decreases their ability to produce amps safely, the harder they're pushed the faster the degradation takes place. Meaning the harder you push them the less lifespan your batteries will have, the chance of having a cell vent or worse also increases.

Some folks like to stay 50% below CDR, some 20% below, some use the full CDR of whatever cell they're using depending on their individual comfort level.
 

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Ok so with my dead rabbit for single battery would be alright as long as I start wrapping my own coils so I can get the safest build as finding ohm specific pre made can be a pain

I normally run316l but lately only kanthal and ni80

I will have to study more I like the hugo squeezer

Learning when battery should be changed is another concern but for now I think I'm going to send in my paranormal to get the resistance fixed and order some claptonwire or start punching each gauge and core and messing with vape tool to learn how that all works and come back and study mechs more and just drip for now at home with the dead rabbit
 

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What if I got the ijoy2700 5 prongs and the hugo squeezer would this .212 ohm tiger coils by demon killer be safe to use?

Dual coils just makes things more complicated. In this case 2 of those would make your total resistance 0.106 Ohms. When you put 2 coils in parallel the resistance is halved. (Well the truth is a little more complicated but for our purposes this is the simple way to calculate it.) Now put that 0.106 ohms into the calculator and see what you get for current draw on the battery.
 
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For educational purposes, to calculate the resistance of parallel coils the exact formula is the reciprocal of the sum of the reciprocals of each coil. That would be expressed as:
Rtotal = 1/(1/R1 + 1/R2 + 1/R3....)
For two coils exactly the same of 0.4ohms in parallel would be 0.2ohms.

You would enter this into a calculator as 1 / ((1 / 0.4) + ( 1 / 0.4))
 
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As has been mentioned, you don't need to go mech to squonk. But if you do choose to go mech, here's a brief crash-course. I'll assume you're already familiar with coil-building in general but if not, maybe get your feet wet building for a regulated device before moving on to mech mods. Otherwise, here goes:

First things first, always test the resistance (ohms) of your atomizer on a regulated device or stand-alone ohm-reader BEFORE firing it on a mech mod. Test it fully assembled with the coil and top-cap installed. Ideally, you'll want to do any dry-firing (before you install the wick) and "break in" the coil (after wick/juice is applied) on a regulated device, then make sure everything's tight and tidy (the coil might shift, and post screws can become loosened, when heat is first applied), and test again. Most mech mod battery incidents occur, not because of a build that's too low in and of itself, but because of a short-circuit that bypasses the coil or part of the coil entirely. Testing an atomizer prior to installing it on a mech helps to identify and avoid shorts against the atomizer base, coil posts, or top cap.

**[EDIT] Special note on pinless or "hybrid" devices (although that is often a misnomer these days; "true" hybrids are a different breed of mech mod, entirely): Just don't use 'em, I say. These devices just add one more layer of "s**t that could go seriously wrong" for little or no added benefit. If you do decide to use one, make sure you know what you are in for. They are only compatible with atomizers that have a significantly protruding, fixed center pin at the 510 connector, never with a flush or recessed center pin. A flush or recessed pin means that the outer threads of the atomizer connector -- which become negatively charged when the fire button is depressed -- will be in contact with the positive pole of the battery, creating an instant hard-short the moment you hit that button. Don't use them with factory coil heads, which can have soft, rubber insulators. Don't use them with flush or recessed center-pin atomizers. Don't use them with adjustable-pin atomizers, that might become flush or recessed during use. And please don't use them near me.**

Your battery is at 4.2 volts (it's not, really, at least not after the first few seconds, but we always pretend it's at full charge, for safety reasons.) The coil will draw current (amps) from the battery at a rate of:

AMPS = VOLTS / OHMS (Remember that "volts" is always 4.2 in our calculations.)

Your battery has a max amp limit, called the "CDR" (continuous discharge rating). Many batteries are advertised with inflated ratings, or with no rating stated. Check @Mooch's blog for his latest charts and test results, for a more accurate CDR rating for a specific cell. There is a trade-off between amp rating and capacity -- batteries capable of sustaining higher amp draws will have lower overall capacities, and vice-versa. To select a battery, first determine what your amp draw will be, then choose a battery with the highest capacity (mAh - milliamp hours) that still meets or exceeds your needed amperage, and buy it from a trusted source (there's a list of vendors on the battery chart) to avoid fakes and re-wraps. Sony VTC5 is rated 20 amps (at 2000 mAh), while the Samsung 30Q is rated at only 15 amps but has a higher (3000 mAh) capacity.


If you'll note the amps calculation I mentioned above, you'll see that the amp draw is actually higher the lower your build (ohms) is. So the 30q is not recommended unless your build is especially high, not low. Higher ohms is always "safer" on a mech mod. It's when you start going lower ohms that the batteries start struggling to keep up.

Some people choose to leave a little "headroom" between their amp usage and the battery's max amp limit, sometimes as much as 50%. Others hold the position that the definition of CDR means it is a rate that is chosen to ensure good battery performance over hundreds of cycles under continuous discharge conditions and, as such, already has a significant "safety" margin built right in. Where you draw the line is up to personal preference.

Some grade-school algebra tells us we can rearrange the Ohm's law equation up above to read:

OHMS = VOLTS / AMPS

By plugging in 4.2 for the volts, and your battery's CDR for the amps, you can find the lowest safe ohm level for a particular cell. For your selected cells, that gives us:

VTC5: 4.2 / 20 = 0.21 ohms
30Q: 4.2 / 15 = 0.28 ohms

Note that these are minimum values, with no "headroom" left over. If your builds are this low you will be "pushing the envelope" of safety. Depending on your vaping style, you can probably find a satisfying experience at twice, or even four times these levels which would, in turn, require only half or one-quarter of the amperage from your battery. Be smart, be aware. Keep your head on your shoulders (both figuratively and literally), we don't want to read about you on the news. Good luck and enjoy!
This should be pinned somewhere. Single best explanation I've ever seen, like a true ohm's law for dummies.
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Everything said in this thread has my head spinning

It can seem Overwhelming, but it really Isn't that bad.

I think a Big Part of what makes all this Hard to Understand is trying to do it over the Internet via Text. Do you know someone who has a Basic Understanding of Electricity? Maybe a Family Member or Friend or Co-Worker?

I bet if you Bribed them with some Pizza and or Beer (drink the beer After they help you) that they could sit down and in about 30 Minutes get you up to speed on what is going on.

They don't have to be a Vaper. Just someone who has a Basic Knowledge of DC Electricity.
 

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You might be confusing yourself.

Low resistance does not = better vape.
Fancy /complex coils do not = better vape.
There is no reason to get near any decent cells CDR to get an excellent vape.
If you take too big of an all at once jump up the vaping ladder before you understand the basics it can be overwhelming & frustrating.

Talking about specific delivery devices instead of the actual build in it is confusing for everyone, including yourself.

If you're new to wrapping your own coils start off with simple single coil single wire, then progress to single twisted, then to dual coil single wire, then dual twisted.
By the time you get familiar with the above most likely you'll have found something that works very nicely for you. If not you've gained the experience & confidence to fiddle with other type builds.
 

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Agreed, I started with a simple single coil. I moved on to duals, twisted, low Ohms but have returned to simple single coil at around 1.4 Ohms. I haven't smoked in four years and I am where I began.

You might be confusing yourself.

Low resistance does not = better vape.
Fancy /complex coils do not = better vape.
There is no reason to get near any decent cells CDR to get an excellent vape.
If you take too big of an all at once jump up the vaping ladder before you understand the basics it can be overwhelming & frustrating.

Talking about specific delivery devices instead of the actual build in it is confusing for everyone, including yourself.

If you're new to wrapping your own coils start off with simple single coil single wire, then progress to single twisted, then to dual coil single wire, then dual twisted.
By the time you get familiar with the above most likely you'll have found something that works very nicely for you. If not you've gained the experience & confidence to fiddle with other type builds.
 

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OP has been posting the same stuff since July.

Absolutely nothing has changed. Still chasing ultra low resistance using some exotic build on the most powerful or most dangerous device available while professing total ignorance of basic electrical concepts.

The patience of this community is astonishing.
 

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Not my fault I'm bad learner now that I got a squonk and a dead rabbit I should learn to build my own coils

Don't know what gauge to use everyone's saying build .5 coil but only way that possible is with kanthal?

I got ijoy 20700 5 posts

I get 4.2 / into resistance for amps and battery safety

But I don't know if there tiger coils will work with the squonk it's all I got till Friday and I wanted to order some wire but I'm confused

People say Claptons will suck yet people at my local shop only use Claptons only do builds with Claptons on mechs

I want to learn but I need someone to talk idiot to me
 
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