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Terraphon

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Are people saying that when reviewers get free products to review or discount codes to give out, that makes them affiliated with those vendors?

Wow...I guess a lot of us reviewers are affiliated with a LOT of different vendors.

So if I receive product from 5 different vendors (for free) to do reviews on, then I'm working for all 5 of them and can't be unbiased about any of them?

Circular logic dudes...GOOD JOB!

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K-Sound Krew

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K, it's not technology that's being exploited, it's members of the community.
You're taking that out of context, I only know 4 others that have an e-cig, I live in an area with a predominant amount of smokers
By "exploit" I mean I can get a jump start in my area before other sellers jump on the bandwagon

So if I did start selling stuff for a profit what would I choose to keep my overhead down?

Hmmmm....Let me think.....

Perhaps the devices which I have had a good experience with in the past?

Kate,
I don't think parked's reviews in the past were meant to be missleading or malicious in any way, furthermore there are so many members here on ECF that I find it extremely difficult to believe that a single memeber can sway and exploit the opinions of the masses
 

ApOsTle51

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it's not the fact it happens Kate , it's the fact people don't realise how the whole code thing works .

I've got no problem with people doing video reviews from items they recieved FREE and giving a good review will make people buy it and use their code resulting in more FREE stuff for the reviewer. It's just educating the masses to show that's how it all works.

Are people saying that when reviewers get free products to review or discount codes to give out, that makes them affiliated with those vendors?
offcourse it does. Giving a bad review you will not get sales so people won't buy that product , therefore less referals and less freebies for you to review.
All very simple
 
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Terraphon

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Kate,
I don't think parked's reviews in the past were meant to be missleading or malicious in any way, furthermore there are so many members here on ECF that I find it extremely difficult to believe that a single memeber can sway and exploit the opinions of the masses

Then you underestimate the power of a review.

Why do you think the review system has been in place almost as long as selling has? Why do you think reviews have gone from word-of-mouth at the market to international syndication?

Because they're VERY powerful tools for a business.
 

Walrus

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What about if people who were given freebies to review were expected (ie, it's made a forum rule) to explain the provenance of the goods, would that help?

I think that's a great idea. Full disclosure. Share a code, but let it be known that you profit from it's use. And not in the fine print.

Hey, if it saves me money, I don't care if a code helps you out.

I recall Terraphon stating that he wouldn't mind if suppliers wanted to give him free stuff, but they shouldn't expect it to sway his reviews. That's integrity, and all reviewers should have it.
 

ApOsTle51

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I meant ME, should I choose to share a code I find.
every code here will have a matching reviewer for who's code it belongs to , so if you yourself post a code then the reviewer who's code it is will get the referal.
It happens i know , I just wish more people realise why reviewers have codes. It doesn't just benefit the customer.
 

K-Sound Krew

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Then you underestimate the power of a review.

Why do you think the review system has been in place almost as long as selling has? Why do you think reviews have gone from word-of-mouth at the market to international syndication?

Because they're VERY powerful tools for a business.

Look up your top five fav movies on Amazon
I bet you will find at least one movie which has equal amounts of both positive and negative reviews

I don't underestimate the power of a review, I think you overestimate it!
Ultimately a review is just a tool, nothing compares to personal experience
 

parked

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this post about me and dietsmokes need to removed to another section

*********Black list sellers to avoid ******* is bad info

I think most of you would agree it needs to be moved to another section

I'm a good guy and I do ship my products etc....

Please move this to another section or "Title of a thread"



Thanks

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rsngfrce

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this post about me and dietsmokes need to removed to another section

*********Black list sellers to avoid ******* is bad info

I think most of you would agree it needs to be moved to another section

I'm a good guy and I do ship my products etc....

Please move this to another section or "Title of a thread"



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Parked

As already stated, I agree! (for the same reason that I hate it when people complement suppliers in the Supplier Dispreference thread...)
 
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Walrus

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every code here will have a matching reviewer for who's code it belongs to , so if you yourself post a code then the reviewer who's code it is will get the referal.
It happens i know , I just wish more people realise why reviewers have codes. It doesn't just benefit the customer.

I understand that using a code gets some reviewer a freebie. My point is that if using it also saves me some cash, and passing it along saves you some cash, where's the harm? This is a different issue than that particular reviewer giving out his code. He/she should provide that disclaimer. If I choose to share a discount code that isn't linked to me, how is that a bad thing?
 

CandyGirl

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this post about me and dietsmokes need to removed to another section

*********Black list sellers to avoid ******* is bad info

I think most of you would agree it needs to be moved to another section

I'm a good guy and I do ship my products etc....

Please move this to another section or "Title of a thread"




Thanks

Parked


NOW you're worried about appearances? :confused:
 

Sun Vaporer

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I find it extremely difficult to believe that a single memeber can sway and exploit the opinions of the masses

K--I agree in part with what you say--but remember the "pioneers" who see these reviews like Parkerd's Jantry Dura and purchase it without other feedback as the product is new, only have the review to rely on.

I got, what I would call, "Taken" with the Janty Dura after watching Parked's review of it. Is that Parked's fault--NO. Is the statment that "a single member can not sway" accurate--NO. We should not underestimate the power of a Review even for us long time users-----Sun
 

Walrus

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try this code if your buyin a SD "ApO100" and get a 5% discount

if i get 100 referals I get 2 free atomizers from Trog
if i get 500 referals I get a new Screwdriver from Trog

Imagine the reaction that would have , but its the same for these reviwers.

Dont try the code btw , it won't work ;)

I can't imagine why there would be any reaction at all. You've stated up front what you benefit from it. If I like the product and want a 5% discount, I'll use it. It's the ones who don't state that they benefit from it that should suffer the backlash.

[edit] Maybe I'm a rare breed. If I'm benefiting, that's all I care about. I'm not going to be upset because someone else is benefiting as well.
 
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