Merged old sticky threads (7)

[AngusATAT]

Don't take it personally Janty, nothing against you, it's a tough market , and while other companies are making devices that actually IMPROVE the vaping experience. Janty puts an MP3 player in their new PV.

i stand by what i said , late night infomercial product... at best.

So what have other companies done to improve the vaping experience besides making a bigger battery casing?

I'm really kinda curious about this. All I see are better batteries running the same old crappy attys. The same old crappy carts.

 

[Wench]

Shame.. I was looking forward to this.
Got a couple mp3 players already.. pass
Vaping equipment + mp3 player = no thanks

 

[doots]

Hope fully more reliable than the JS. Sent it back 2 times for switch failures. User cant replace the part. Very frustrating.

510.. wish it were 801.

Mp3 Is useless to me.

I'd like to see 5 volts and

yes you can use carts in an 801 version w 5 volts without a burnt complaint..
I do it everyday.

I had more burnt taste with 510s.. lol

It looks nice though if you want a 3.7 device that's futuristic looking,

 

[Bruce H]

So what have other companies done to improve the vaping experience besides making a bigger battery casing?

I'm really kinda curious about this. All I see are better batteries running the same old crappy attys. The same old crappy carts.

None- but sticking an MP3 player to something isn't exactly innovative. I mean, you can buy an ... pair of shoes these days with one in it.

Looks nice, very "toyish" and unless they use quality parts and not some generic player- it will take a crap quick. Then what? Paperweight you can vape. And I can guarantee the R&D will be built into the cost- can't blame'em though. I would.

 

[AngusATAT]

None- but sticking an MP3 player to something isn't exactly innovative. I mean, you can buy an ... pair of shoes these days with one in it.

Looks nice, very "toyish" and unless they use quality parts and not some generic player- it will take a crap quick. Then what? Paperweight you can vape. And I can guarantee the R&D will be built into the cost- can't blame'em though. I would.

Meh, all that matters to me is a 510 version of the Stick with an extra battery and a retractable atty. That's great. I'd buy it just for that. Anything else is just icing on the cake. I'd use the mp3 player because it's there. If the mp3 player died, no biggie, it would still have the things that were the main selling point to me.

Another great point in its favor would be stealth vaping. I can't take my Chuck to work (believe me, I would if I could!) because I have to stealth vape in my cubicle. If I got the cameo, I wouldn't have to carry a PCC and extra batteries with me to work every day. Two batteries and a way to recharge with USB would be more than enough.

 

[Mik_Janty]

Another round of questions:

Don't get me wrong, I love janty... but the first thing that came to my head when I saw this was "Let's market kids some more."

We treat our customers as adults, and our market is adults.

Will there be any kind of support for this after the 6 month warranty is gone? Say a year down the line the mp3 player takes a poop, could someone send it back and have it repaired for a reasonable fee rather than having a XXX$ stick thats 1/2 broken?

We dont know what the support will be, but we do plan on having a reasonable pricetag on it, so if say it should break down after 6 months, youre not looking at losing an IPOD in terms of what you payed.

I assume when the atty is retracted it is disabled? So if its in a pocket it wont be activated by accident?

There will be a on/off button on the device for transit reasons, and the button is located so it will be extremely hard to accidentally press it.

The only biggest downfall you might have selling this is that these days quite a few people have a phone with mp3 built in, most times I carry my Blackberry for phone/net and my Ipod touch for music/games/video even though the BB does those things too, the Ipod just does them better. I can't justify having 3 things with my that play music

Basically, you should treat the Cameo as if youre getting an mp3 player for free. Cause the pricetag is not for the mp3 player - its for the design, the durability, the retractable atomizer: The mp3 player is a bonus. If you dont want to use it, i think it will still be nice to have for transporting files!

Oh, does this have a battery meter on it? that would be quite handy!

Yes it does

Don't take it personally Janty, nothing against you, it's a tough market , and while other companies are making devices that actually IMPROVE the vaping experience. Janty puts an MP3 player in their new PV.

By improving you might mean putting a higher voltage battery inside a tube, I on the other hand might think that an improvement would be having a beautiful design that just works.

Different opinions - and thats all fine. And, as i just mentioned the mp3 player is experimental, and an "added bonus" - the real deal here is the design, the USB drive function, the retractable atomizer, and the long durability. If you want something else - then that choice is all yours to make.

- But wouldnt it be boring if everyone made the same product types over and over again? ...come on..

 

[vapn]

Make it without the mp3, and I just may buy it.
It looks smooth and comfortable in the hand, but not only does the mp3 seem unnecessary, but I would doubt the quality of it, I am sure the built in speaker isn't worth listening to and I wouldn't want to waste precious battery power.

Does it take standard carts?
I'd rather have seen the effort (and case space) put into doing away with carts and developing some quality integrated juice delivery system.
Function over flash for me, but I am more of a Levi's a zippo man, as opposed to designs on my jeans and LED's in my lighter - I prefer quality and ingenuity over flashy trinkets.

I'd much rather have something I can pick up in the morning and take with me all day without having to bring any supplies with me to support it/charge it/refill it and have it function consistently all day.

All that said, it is a damned good-looking device.

EXACTLY<
why are they wasting time with a mp3 player. EVERYBODY already has an iPod right... what we need is a better cart system that WORKS>>> or a juice delivery system. I want to press a button on it and it squirts juice on the atty. puff until it needs more.
This is a safety hazard while driving the car. I am getting good at it now but I want a better cart system....
Someone please stress this to the guys in China... they have given us a great device ALMOST... just needs one improvement... the carts suck...

 

[Mik_Janty]

And another render for you so you can see what it looks like when the atomizer is retracted + the backside of the Cameo.

/Mik

 

[raul]

You cannot be serious! Why would anyone need a 8gb mp3 player with an ecig? This is silly and it looks hideous. Seriously its not even April. There is so much room to innovate in ecigs design and functionality - better liquid delivery systems, warmer more consistent vapor and flavour, longer battery life, digital feedback about bat charge levels, liquid levels, nicotine intake, form factors just a few off my head - and if this silly mp3 diversion is true and I doubt it is, then its a pity Janty is squandering its time and talent with such trivialities.

 

[nubee]

So what have other companies done to improve the vaping experience besides making a bigger battery casing?

I'm really kinda curious about this. All I see are better batteries running the same old crappy attys. The same old crappy carts.

Agreed - somewhat.

Most of the changes have been just bigger/larger batts and maybe some better switch location/types. But that is at least an attempt at getting better/longer vape in smaller package.

If we can't get better attys/carts now but can enhance the vaping experience with better batts - then I consider that forward progress.

MP3 player feels....well....sort of cheap and not the next step in professional vaping products.

 

[AngusATAT]

Guys, I don't think you really need to get all hung up about the mp3 player. Think of it as camouflage. It's mainly there to make the unit look like it's not a PV. The fact that it'll work is just a bonus.

 

[AngusATAT]

If we can't get better attys/carts now but can enhance the vaping experience with better batts - then I consider that forward progress.

These would be better batts. Two of them, just like the Stick. They just wouldn't be higher voltage. Mik already stated why this wouldn't be a good idea for them as a company.

 

[Bruce H]

Now that I am actually looking at it closer- that actually looks like an iPod mini stuck to the side of it. Man, if Apple designed it, WOW.

Are those screws next to the mouthpiece? Can they be removed and placed back easily with your fingers? Or a tool?

 

[AngusATAT]

Are those screws next to the mouthpiece? Can they be removed and placed back easily with your fingers? Or a tool?

Those are the battery compartments, I believe. Just like the Stick, they can be easily removed with a finger.

 

[Mik_Janty]

Guys, I don't think you really need to get all hung up about the mp3 player. Think of it as camouflage. It's mainly there to make the unit look like it's not a PV. The fact that it'll work is just a bonus.

Exactly.

And as i stated many times before, we are showing you this now because we want to see the initial reactions, listen to inputs, ideas. And once this has settled down a bit, we can go and look at peoples reactions, maybe re-evaluate on some things. Maybe ditch the mp3 player idea - or make it bigger.

Its too early to say yet.

 

[Mik_Janty]

Man, if Apple designed it, WOW.

Im not sure if this is a compliment, or the opposite.

Oh well. I love the look of it anyways.

 

[Mik_Janty]

You cannot be serious! Why would anyone need a 8gb mp3 player with an ecig? This is silly and it looks hideous. Seriously its not even April. There is so much room to innovate in ecigs design and functionality - better liquid delivery systems, warmer more consistent vapor and flavour, longer battery life, digital feedback about bat charge levels, liquid levels, nicotine intake, form factors just a few off my head - and if this silly mp3 diversion is true and I doubt it is, then its a pity Janty is squandering its time and talent with such trivialities.

Why would anyone need a metal tube with 2x3 volt batteries in it ?

We all buy stuff for different reasons. Some of us like gadgets, some of us like raw power. And there has to be room for all of us.

All these ideas youre talking about are not easy to make. Think about it:

On ECF alone there are countless cigarette manufacturers, and home modders. Not one of the items you have mentioned have been solved by anyone of them. If it was that easy to make, - it would have been done. And as i said to an earlier poster - we ARE working on stuff like this.

But since the things you mention are so ground breaking, that also means we have to keep those ideas a bit closer to our heart until we are ready to release them - i hope that makes sense.

And while we are working on them - we are working on other things. This is keeping us creative - and by interacting with you guys, listening to your inputs, both good and bad, we are getting invaluable feedback - and you as a customer or potential customer, hopefully feel like you actually have something to say: I think thats a very beautiful way of doing it.

And mind you, our base motto is that we have to build products that work. Cause at the end of the day it doesnt matter if your vaping device is a metal tubing, or has a built in mp3 player - if it doesnt work, it doesnt work.

But that still doesnt mean we cant play around a bit, be creative, and try to do some stuff thats cool, funky, weird, beautiful, elegant. So none of us consider this a waste of time - if anything the Cameo is a HUGE challenge in terms of putting all those things inside that little space - and making it work.

Even if we end up not getting it produced and go back on the idea, or change it all together, we are STILL learning, and have received invaluable lessons and experience from trying to produce this one; even as a prototype.

That experience will then always be there for us to use in another product.

/Mik

 

[AngusATAT]

Exactly.

And as i stated many times before, we are showing you this now because we want to see the initial reactions, listen to inputs, ideas. And once this has settled down a bit, we can go and look at peoples reactions, maybe re-evaluate on some things. Maybe ditch the mp3 player idea - or make it bigger.

Its too early to say yet.

Hey, even without the mp3 player, I'd buy it.

Like I said, a 510 version of the Stick with an extra battery and a retractable atty? That by itself is pretty nice.

If you guys go without the mp3 player, I'd still love a battery guage, though.

 

[Mik_Janty]

If we do go without the mp3 player, i recon we will implement some sort of small LCD screen (like a one line thing) along the side that can show the status of the battery, USB drive and so on.

 

[TnA]

oops.....mods, please remove my post.