Merged old sticky threads (7)

[raul]

Honestly I feel like we are being had, however I take your point about there being space for all sorts of things, and nothing should be dismissed offhand. And you can always make other stuff.

But I think lots of folks including me like the stick, and are expecting something special from the Cameo. And disappointment comes because people expect more from Janty in terms of improving the ecig experience, and that's not a bad place to be.

I understand there are challenges in the things suggested, and some may be too complex, expensive, unviable given the uncertain market, regulation, marketing limitations, and size but I think folks expect companies like Janty should try to do the stuff that can be done, and I am sure you are.

 

[chief druid]

i'm going to buy it just for the mp3 player hahaha

 

[markarich159]

Yes, but noone has made a functioning juice reservoir yet - ive seen some come close, but it still does not work perfectly. And its not as easy as you might think.. - so no, this is not something we are going to do just now. I mean, imagine the problems if a juice reservoir is NOT working 110% all the time. Its a can of worms - and i hope we will crack it open soon, but.. not right now (and i bet this is why noone else has made it either.. - you have to remember that just because something is possible, it doesnt mean its a feasible thing to do from a business standpoint due to high cost of the system - or if it breaks down / and something like that, if not made totally perfect, will break down, often)

Actually someone has, since this is not his/her subforum, I won't mention his/her name or the product.

Also, I'm assuming with this design, you're predicting the eminent FDA ban on e-cig products. Why else would you need to stealth vape. As was mentioned previously, you would need to buy vaporless eliquid(which I've seen marketed already) to make this product truly stealthy. Make it a GPS instead of an MP3 player. Or better yet, the Janty"Maxwell Smart" model, looks like a shoe, but is actually a 510 e-cig /cell phone all in one.

 

[Mik_Janty]

Honestly I feel like we are being had, however I take your point about there being space for all sorts of things, and nothing should be dismissed offhand. And you can always make other stuff.

But I think lots of folks including me like the stick, and are expecting something special from the Cameo. And disappointment comes because people expect more from Janty in terms of improving the ecig experience, and that's not a bad place to be.

I understand there are challenges in the things suggested, and some may be too complex, expensive, unviable given the uncertain market, regulation, marketing limitations, and size but I think folks expect companies like Janty should try to do the stuff that can be done, and I am sure you are.

Hey Raul,

while i do understand you to a certain degree you have to remember that we are developing other products simultaneously. I wont post them right now cause it would be information overload; but each product is geared for a specific type / or situation.

The whole deal with the dispenser system, better carts and so on is a can of worms to open.

Take the atomizer for instance:

If we are to develop a new atomizer, then it will cost an insane amount of money - and it would probably replace atleast one other atomizer type completely eradicating it off the market. Not only is this something you need to think about very carefully, but you also need china to follow you in this decision. I mean after all the last thing we need right now is 5-6 different types of atomizers more on the market, if you know what i mean.

Also, - even if we are to make it, then we now have to take in account if it will work on 5v, 6v - cause some people are now using that. And if it will work on those , which i guess it would, - then how long would its lifespan be. Then the price on each sold unit, should reflect its lifespan - or estimated lifespan.

And so on.

Its not only about getting the idea, its about controlling it. And that takes time!

But i do agree we need inventions - and more of them. And I can say that I have a few things up my sleeve that we are working on, which IF succesfull will make alot of people very happy.

But unfortunately i wont say what they are at the moment - for what i hope is obvious reasons.

- I just wanted you to know that because im working on the Cameo, it doesnt mean im not working on anything else.. i think i work 18 hours a day at the moment..

 

[frogbmth]

After using a shed load of PVs for the past 10 months the only one I now use is the JantyStick, and there are things I dont like about it. To get me to buy something else it would need to be;

• One larger battery (14500 protected is good)
• Slot for a dropper so I only have to carry one thing and not two (bin battery number two and replace the gap with a dropper bottle)
• Slot in other end for a spare atty in case the one in the unit goes while I am out and about
• Button that lasts
• ABSOLUTELY NO LEAKS
• Nice build quality - am willing to pay the price for quality - not plastic! How about a return to the quality we used to expect from Janty?

Being able to carry just one thing around wil be a MASSIVE step forward for most of us, I for one am tired of carrying stuff.

The design here does not tick anywhere near enough boxes for me yet. I presume the shape would mean it is made from plastic?

Andy

 

[chief druid]

*snigger * i cant help my self ....

so your making a new atomiser ???


hahahah lol

 

[Kelemvor]

If we do go without the mp3 player, i recon we will implement some sort of small LCD screen (like a one line thing) along the side that can show the status of the battery, USB drive and so on.

if the screen stays, let the puff-counter in too. i think there are people that would like to control how much the vape, even people that find the mp3 function unnecessary.

i ordered a Tally counter from dx to check how much i vape, a cart or battery lasts and so on.
the cameo would just count on its own, and i can sort out bad batteries better if their performance drops.

 

[Mik_Janty]

After using a shed load of PVs for the past 10 months the only one I now use is the JantyStick, and there are things I dont like about it. To get me to buy something else it would need to be;

• One larger battery (14500 protected is good)
• Slot for a dropper so I only have to carry one thing and not two (bin battery number two and replace the gap with a dropper bottle)
• Slot in other end for a spare atty in case the one in the unit goes while I am out and about
• Button that lasts
• ABSOLUTELY NO LEAKS
• Nice build quality - am willing to pay the price for quality - not plastic! How about a return to the quality we used to expect from Janty?

Being able to carry just one thing around wil be a MASSIVE step forward for most of us, I for one am tired of carrying stuff.

The design here does not tick anywhere near enough boxes for me yet. I presume the shape would mean it is made from plastic?

Andy

hey Andy,

yes the plastic is an IPOD type material of that quality.

We could make it in metal, but plastic is ideal - its lightweight, cheaper to produce and if the proper type is being used it can give a really nice look and feel to it.

 

[Mik_Janty]

if the screen stays, let the puff-counter in too. i think there are people that would like to control how much the vape, even people that find the mp3 function unnecessary.

i ordered a Tally counter from dx to check how much i vape, a cart or battery lasts and so on.
the cameo would just count on its own, and i can sort out bad batteries better if their performance drops.

Oh dont worry if the USB drive stays in, i will fight to keep the counter in too. I think this one is a very nice idea - some might not like it, but they can just not use it

 

[Bruce H]

Brushed aluminum would be sweeter.

 

[frogbmth]

Thanks, if you need to make it in plastic, how about some nice aluminium inserts in the sides to at least give it some substance? Or as it is the cameo, are you making it all white?

 

[Mik_Janty]

Lets see. If it turns out were ditching the mp3 player, maybe we will change the design a bit - and yes then something on the sides would be nice. But if it stays in, i dont want to put much more on..

But, right now im letting all these questions sink in, and then slowly ill begin looking at the ideas and comments - and then who knows what comes out of it!

 

[chief druid]

lets see. If it turns out were ditching the mp3 player,

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

 

[GrimmGreen]

By improving you might mean putting a higher voltage battery inside a tube

not necessarily putting a higher voltage battery inside a tube , although that seems to work very well. Our battery problems have been solved for the most part. housing with a switch + bigger battery = solved. The next big thing NEEDS to be a better juice delivery system or a better atomizer.

The Cameo bring nothing new to the table , a puff counter? really? it's a novelty. Did we ever stop to think how much an LCD screen is going to drain the battery? it might have 2 batteries in there , but you would NEED 2 batteries in there just to power the LCD screen.

I on the other hand might think that an improvement would be having a beautiful design that just works.

right... kind like my screwdriver.

 

[nubee]

After using a shed load of PVs for the past 10 months the only one I now use is the JantyStick, and there are things I dont like about it. To get me to buy something else it would need to be;

• One larger battery (14500 protected is good)
• Slot for a dropper so I only have to carry one thing and not two (bin battery number two and replace the gap with a dropper bottle)
• Slot in other end for a spare atty in case the one in the unit goes while I am out and about
• Button that lasts
• ABSOLUTELY NO LEAKS
• Nice build quality - am willing to pay the price for quality - not plastic! How about a return to the quality we used to expect from Janty?

Being able to carry just one thing around wil be a MASSIVE step forward for most of us, I for one am tired of carrying stuff.

The design here does not tick anywhere near enough boxes for me yet. I presume the shape would mean it is made from plastic?

Andy

Gets my vote too. Maybe not a bin for both juice and atty but at least one bin for either.

 

[tmbrown327]

Just a thought- Do they make vaperless liquid? I think the ploom of vapor will give away the stealth idea. Keep working on the twinbox! thats the one im really waiting on!~!

Yup, a company in England is selling stealth liquid. It works. I use it at work. Hope you like menthol, it's the only variety I know of.

 

[Mik_Janty]

And yet a round of stuff to be answered / commented!

The next big thing NEEDS to be a better juice delivery system or a better atomizer.

It depends on who you are. It would be nice to have those things, but its not necessarily the next thing anyone needs. I know people that just do fine with the current system. I also know of people who hate it. And while you might be right on the what the next BIG thing should - or rather could be, then we never said the Cameo would be that. The Cameo is actually sporting stuff that people have asked for, and noone has done. Retractable atomizer, USB storage, dual inexpensive batteries, a nice design. Its not for you in its current state, and i respect that - but that doesnt mean its not something other people might want.

Did we ever stop to think how much an LCD screen is going to drain the battery?

Yes we did

it might have 2 batteries in there , but you would NEED 2 batteries in there just to power the LCD screen

No.

right... kind like my screwdriver

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Im glad you like your screwdriver. The "design" of it, is not for me. Again, personal choices, personal views. Thats the way it should be.

 

[emberl]

Worst idea EVER!

An other argument for the FDA.
Not only is the e-cig geared to sell to kids because off all the good tasting liquids, banana, cherry, bubblegum and strawberry.

Now we have a device for those kids to "hide" their e-cig in, in an MP3 player.

What is Janty thinking?

8-o

 

[Mik_Janty]

Worst idea EVER!

An other argument for the FDA.
Not only is the e-cig geared to sell to kids because off all the good tasting liquids, banana, cherry, bubblegum and strawberry.

Now we have a device for those kids to "hide" their e-cig in, in an MP3 player.

What is Janty thinking?

8-o

Ehr.

Last time i checked, you could get pink lighters with My Little Pony pictures on them. That does not mean its for kids. So by your logic all liquids should taste of smoke, or exhaust pipe? ..

Sorry, i strongly disagree. This is a grown up product, and its only available online if you have a paypal, visa, and a shipping address.

 

[markarich159]

Worst idea EVER!

An other argument for the FDA.
Not only is the e-cig geared to sell to kids because off all the good tasting liquids, banana, cherry, bubblegum and strawberry.

Now we have a device for those kids to "hide" their e-cig in, in an MP3 player.

What is Janty thinking?

8-o

Good call and exactly the point of my previous post. This product is an admission of defeat and a vindication of the idea that vapers are doing something "sneaky" and "illegal". Why not the retractable mp3/crackpipe. It sends the wrong message, especially from one of the largest names currently in the e-cig market. The FDA is really gonna love this idea. It says "we know we're doing something wrong, and we're taking steps to hide it". Like the previous post that stated something to the effect that it will be easier to get cases marked "mp3 player" thru customs. That is what drug cartels do. The ECA is working to legitimize the industry, this is a step backwards in my opinion.