its a 400 mesh arxos. I too want to see how long it will last and how it will behave after some days of use
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If you remember from my blog post.. I said there was this "Sweet Note" that you ONLY get on mesh.. Thats the taste you were experiencing..
maybe yes arxos. But this piece is already low enough. Its at 1 ohms. Of course with liquid control we can go much lower
Even if we did a different set up jc (you made an original mesh style and I used the mesh as an R wire) but as you said, the vape was sweet. Its really strange because set ups were so different. I believe that the SS wire will have similar results on wick
That is very very cool IMEO. Quite a cloud of vapor you put out with the two batteries for sure. It does have pretty high resistance with the SS Mesh. For high voltage vapers though it may turn out to be a blessing. I prefer one battery myself and I just built a new coil for Ody using 30 Gauge Kanthal wire and it is right about 1 ohm. It works absolutely great at 3.7 volts.
Very good video my Friend;
Nate aka Darth Vapor
Very good video my Friend;
Nate aka Darth Vapor
The sweet note i believe is from the mesh buring VG in a more efficient way then just a "Coil" as VG is naturally sweet.. I think you dont get this sweet note as pronounced on silica as a coil on SS or using mesh AS the coil because it gets hotter faster metal on metal in my method and on the SS as the resistance because your surface area is increased much more. Either way.. Im a higher voltage vaper so ill be trying your method TONIGHT
I agree that with 2 batteries the smoke was very big but 6 amperes were going through atomizer Darth. No burning taste but batteries will drain very quickly. It was quite nice at 3,7 volts. I still dont know how healthy this thing is so maybe I will stop doing it. I dont really know what is happening on SS structure when its getting red hot or just hot
I am very glad that this is working 
So we have to work with mesh to see if it is ok ... I am sure that we will find all the possible ways !
This sweet taste ... Is it possible to be from the high temp of the liquid ? .. I think I had this sweet taste before, when I smoked at a very high voltage with a small resistance .. I dont know if it is safe...
So we have to work with mesh to see if it is ok ... I am sure that we will find all the possible ways !
This sweet taste ... Is it possible to be from the high temp of the liquid ? .. I think I had this sweet taste before, when I smoked at a very high voltage with a small resistance .. I dont know if it is safe...
I want to see your results jc. Even if I will not vape like this, it is an experience for sure
Im not a doctor by any means but i think its save i have alot of experience with genesis style atomizers and that sweet taste is the main reason in my opinion people who are big fans of genesis atomizers stay with them.. This is just experiencing that "crisp sweet" taste that i always experience with my genesis atomizers.. I moved to the penelope and the odysseus because it reduced that "sweet" note but still provided excellent flavor.. The method i did in my blog was like a 60/40 blend of what i did and what imeo did.. I had 40% of the coil on silica and 60% of the coil on oxodized mesh. .and for me it was a very satisfying vape.. I got that sweet note that you get from primarily using mesh but it blended well with a "Flavor Blend" for lack of a better term created by the mix of wire on silica and wire on mesh in a hybridization of the wick. Its how i do all of my coils now
if we leave the health issue and talk about innovation then you did very well jc. Very nice trick!
Just saw the vid, Imeo. Fantastic idea and has me very excited to try it. So, just to be clear:
- Just a thin strip of SS mesh (316L SS 400, like you use on a genesis-style atty should be fine, correct?)
- use silver NR wire for the legs same as you would if you were using kanthal or Nichrome resistance wire
- single strand of 3mm wick is fine
Is that right!? How wide should the strand be? I see you made 2 wraps around the wick. I wasn't sure what ohms you were getting for that. If I'm aiming for, say, a 2.4 ohm coil, how many wraps should i do and how long should I cut the strand of SS?
Thanks, as always...
- Just a thin strip of SS mesh (316L SS 400, like you use on a genesis-style atty should be fine, correct?)
- use silver NR wire for the legs same as you would if you were using kanthal or Nichrome resistance wire
- single strand of 3mm wick is fine
Is that right!? How wide should the strand be? I see you made 2 wraps around the wick. I wasn't sure what ohms you were getting for that. If I'm aiming for, say, a 2.4 ohm coil, how many wraps should i do and how long should I cut the strand of SS?
Thanks, as always...
it was a 1ohm resistance and the mesh was at 1mm in width. Its length was about 1,5 cm Dominic
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i make a 0,8 ohm resistance with MESH
on ODY
it's just a very good experience
i like it very very much
i vape no flavor and i can't tell about taste
i tryied to make a coil with ss res.wire but i wasn't excited
on ODY
it's just a very good experience
i like it very very much
i vape no flavor and i can't tell about taste
i tryied to make a coil with ss res.wire but i wasn't excited
your idea was great ggero!! Now the only we need to know by searching google is what is happening on SS stucture when it gets hot and red hot. Any info will be apreciated
I am very glad that this is working
So we have to work with mesh to see if it is ok ... I am sure that we will find all the possible ways !
This sweet taste ... Is it possible to be from the high temp of the liquid ? .. I think I had this sweet taste before, when I smoked at a very high voltage with a small resistance .. I dont know if it is safe...
Thanks, Imeo. That may be too low for me as I'm using a Provari and I'm sure it will put out errors (not lucky enough to snag a GG mod, will try when they're available again). I suppose if I cut the strand thinner and did more wraps that the resistance will go up - correct?
Theoretical yes that is correct , problem is getting it thin , he said 1 mm thick which means there is little room to play
Thinking about it , I would think that your best option is to use very thin stainless steel wire . Maybe others can enlighten us further on this
From what i saw in the video that imeo put up, while the thickness of mesh might have been 1mm, the width of the band of mesh wrapped around the wick was more like 4mm. It would be possible then to make it thinner and wrap more of it.
Yes - SS wire might be the way to go, but part of the reason why I think this works well is that using the mesh as a wrap would cover more surface space on the wick. You solve several things: less chance of silica wires fraying and coming up the mouthpiece as they're being covered by mesh, more even distribution of heat over the length of wick, less gunk build up as might occur between the gaps of wire coils, etc...
As imeo points out, the issue now is the ultimate safety of the mesh, unoxidized - can untreated mesh release metal fragments or chemicals at high temperatures, can it interact with the silica wick in an unexpected way overtime, etc. I'm likely to think (and this just may be hopeful on my end) that mesh will hold up very well in this application, but I'm neither an engineer or a chemist to really know. The fact that stainless steel is used in kitchen appliances and items that get heated at fairly high temperatures (like my SS pots and pans) where food is involved, leads me to believe that we should be fine. Most of us use 316 or 316L mesh which, if I'm not mistaken is food grade, if not better.
Thoughts? Fantastic experiment and discussion, by the way, and thanks ggero for your ingenuity.
Yes - SS wire might be the way to go, but part of the reason why I think this works well is that using the mesh as a wrap would cover more surface space on the wick. You solve several things: less chance of silica wires fraying and coming up the mouthpiece as they're being covered by mesh, more even distribution of heat over the length of wick, less gunk build up as might occur between the gaps of wire coils, etc...
As imeo points out, the issue now is the ultimate safety of the mesh, unoxidized - can untreated mesh release metal fragments or chemicals at high temperatures, can it interact with the silica wick in an unexpected way overtime, etc. I'm likely to think (and this just may be hopeful on my end) that mesh will hold up very well in this application, but I'm neither an engineer or a chemist to really know. The fact that stainless steel is used in kitchen appliances and items that get heated at fairly high temperatures (like my SS pots and pans) where food is involved, leads me to believe that we should be fine. Most of us use 316 or 316L mesh which, if I'm not mistaken is food grade, if not better.
Thoughts? Fantastic experiment and discussion, by the way, and thanks ggero for your ingenuity.
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