Michigan first state to ban flavored ecigs

[kross8]

Fixed that for you. Changed text color to green.

I can't respond without foul language for her & this mindset spreading. I have been pretty open on FB About vaping,, not a cure all,, just keeping it real.. one of my childhood friends has swallowed hook, line &sinker everything the media has said... Mind you she is dumber than the ground beneath a turd,, always has been,, even landed huge jobs to set her up for life & screwed them up.


Dont get me started,, her friends & I went round and round yesterday on FB,,, I'm to the point of just blocking her whiney .... anyway,,, (shes very unattractive but demand/screams men are all losers because they don't treat her like the princess she is). Everyone else shocked any man go out a second time with her,,, just shut up already!!!!!!

 

[classwife]

I am sure that the Gov gave those folks all the consideration they were due as purveyors and consumers of poison, going around addicting and killing kids in epidemic numbers. She is a good person and only wants what's best for her constituents, that can only be accomplished by her exercise of dictatorial power. God bless her little heart.

Fixed that for you. Changed text color to green.

...and I added "little heart"...being a proper Southern woman.

 

[zoiDman]

Apparently Illinois has been working on this too. Filed 9/5/19: Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB3883

If the Goal is to Ban Flavored e-Products, why wouldn't they?

Let Michigan be the Test Case.
See how the Legal Challenge shakes out.
Count what the Voter Blowback is.
Fan the Hype Flames via the Media.
Adjust the Bill as Needed.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

How are they classifying tobacco flavor? Since the flavor is not 'officially' quantified, could someone mix a vanilla custard and just call it 'tobacco flavor'? Imo tobacco flavors don't taste like tobacco. Crazyness

 

[englishmick]

How are they classifying Tobacco flavor? Since the flavor is not 'officially' quantified, could someone mix a vanilla custard and just call it 'tobacco flavor'? Imo tobacco flavors don't taste like tobacco. Crazyness

I don't know about the Michigan bill but I read the Illinois stuff. They specifically say the presence of flavor isn't to be decided on the basis of what chemicals are added to the juice, but on whether it can be smelled or tasted.

That leaves an open question. Will they train their agents to sniff it out? Will they be assessed for the acuteness of their sniffing capacity? Or will they hire experts like wine tasters to do it?

 

[AttyPops]

I don't know about the Michigan bill but I read the Illinois stuff. They specifically say the presence of flavor isn't to be decided on the basis of what chemicals are added to the juice, but on whether it can be smelled or tasted.

That leaves an open question. Will they train their agents to sniff it out? Will they be assessed for the acuteness of their sniffing capacity? Or will they hire experts like wine tasters to do it?

Furthermore! They said that employees can't represent any other flavoring or it's still flavored. So "vanilla tobacco" or when you ask them "What does it taste like?" and they answer "vanilla tobacco", then they're screwed. Can't be on the box as an image or wording.

So train all employees to say "Tobacco" or "Their expression of tobacco flavor". Full stop.
?????????

Might be able to get away with "Virginia tobacco" and "Burley Tobacco", as those are kinds of tobacco.

What does this do to pipe smokers and "Cherry tobacco" or whatever?

Should be "fun" to watch the fallout here.

 

[englishmick]

Furthermore! They said that employees can't represent any other flavoring or it's still flavored. So "vanilla tobacco" or when you ask them "What does it taste like?" and they answer "vanilla tobacco", then they're screwed. Can't be on the box as an image or wording.

So train all employees to say "Tobacco" or "Their expression of tobacco flavor". Full stop.
?????????

Might be able to get away with "Virginia tobacco" and "Burley Tobacco", as those are kinds of tobacco.

What does this do to pipe smokers and "Cherry tobacco" or whatever?

Should be "fun" to watch the fallout here.

Remember when they banned the words Light Cigarette. You had to ask for the blue ones. Maybe vanilla will be blue tobacco.

Actually my guess is they just expect vendors will stop selling flavored stuff. The threat of big fines if they are caught would stop most vendors even without flavor inspections. Maybe there will be some grey area left. Juice makers could reduce the amount of tobacco flavor and increase the amount of Mango and see if anyone spotted it. Customers would get to know what was what without it being spelled out on the labels.

The politicians probably wouldn't even care. They get more credit from the voters by looking tough than by actually getting rid of flavors. And they know flavors aren't actually the problem.

 

[AttyPops]

Remember when they banned the words Light Cigarette. You had to ask for the blue ones.

I quit right around that time (see sig). I don't even "know the code!"

 

[CMD-Ky]

Fixed that for you. Changed text color to green.

Rossum, you know me, I have nothing but the highest respect for our career politicians, their integrity, their keen insight, their willingness to put the needs of constituents above their own, the skill with which they define a problem and then effectively deal with it.

 

[bobwho77]

 

[Qew]

I don't know about the Michigan bill.....

There is no Michigan bill, the Gov just declared an emergency bypassing the legislative process.

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That's covered too, no online sales.

 

[sofarsogood]

If the Goal is to Ban Flavored e-Products, why wouldn't they?

Let Michigan be the Test Case.
See how the Legal Challenge shakes out.
Count what the Voter Blowback is.
Fan the Hype Flames via the Media.
Adjust the Bill as Needed.

May be some good will come of this. I don't talk to smokers any more. They all know what's up. I pretty much stopped talking about stockpiling to vaping coworkers and acquaintenances. It just annoys them. I wonder if those views will change. One would think there will be a wide variety of reactions from underwhelming to over the top. May be it's a dress rehersal for next May when an effective ban is supposed to be nationwide. If I were Trump I'd be looking for a way to kick this can down the road. The Michigan governor should be thinking the same way.

How rapidly will business owners and vapers respond? Gun lovers are accustomed to constant threats to their access product and know how to respond.

 

[stols001]

I'm sorry but I don't think we need a "test case" of these issues. Simply because the issue are so ridiculous they don't need "testing."

We cam see what HAPPENS in Michigan (and I'm sure we will) and hopefully learn from it, SOMETHING.

But test case implies something should be tested and there is nothing to test here, other than how will unhappy vapers deal with their elected officials and oh yes there will be lawsuits.

But the entire premise is nuts.

Anna

 

[Eskie]

I don't know about the Michigan bill but I read the Illinois stuff. They specifically say the presence of flavor isn't to be decided on the basis of what chemicals are added to the juice, but on whether it can be smelled or tasted.

That leaves an open question. Will they train their agents to sniff it out? Will they be assessed for the acuteness of their sniffing capacity? Or will they hire experts like wine tasters to do it?

Vape sniffing dogs. I knew this day was coming. Busted by a beagle.

 

[SmilingWolf]

Michigan resident here. Smoked a pack a day for 20 years before vaping saved my life 4 years ago. My husband has the same story. Obviously, I'm angry and saddened by the ignorance of lawmakers and the misinformation and fear campaign laid on the general public. I believe that vaping is and can be the medical miracle of our generation, saving the lives of millions of smokers. I am deeply concerned for the smoking population who will be dissuaded from finding their way to vaping in MI. I am also concerned for current vapers who rely on tried and true flavors.

I am, however, grateful to this forum for teaching me to be self-reliant. I have been making my own juice for years and will continue to do so. I will be also be experimenting with more recipes for my husband who currently enjoys flavors from two MI companies (he placed massive orders today).

I cannot say that I would not go back to smoking without vaping, and I will continue to do everything in my power to continue my ability to vape with the flavors that work for me.

Note to Michigan residents: It may seem overwhelming, but it is not difficult to make your own juice, and the start up costs are reasonable. If you currently depend on purchased ejuice, please take time NOW to do research into DIY. There's no time to waste. Reserve your health and freedom to vape (while paying pennies on the dollar).

 

[Diver9543]

Hmm, interesting comments from all. I see a need for the manufacturers to come up with flavor shots. Nothing but simple mixes so all you have to do is pour in the specified shot in the ejuice you bought at your B&M. The B&M would not offer the shots, there will probably be a law saying they can't do it. But go online to your favorite ejuice and then you can just buy the flavor shot you want. I'm just talking out of my ... with a brainstorm for a work-a-round.

 

[Anergetic]

Alex Clark said a rally is being planned for September 27th in Lansing. Details are unknown at this time. CASAA will have details later.

Are we going to need our own annual rally, like the Ann Arbor Hash Bash? Ironically, Gretchen Whitmer was a guest speaker at one of those before she became governor. Free the E-liquid!

 

[sofarsogood]

I read an online report saying michigan has half a million vapers. That sounds high but I do see them often (usually trying to be discrete). That's a lot of people who might feel they need to take action without delay. We hear that the rules for this ban have yet to be written. That might turn out to be a complicated task that takes longer than a couple of weeks, especially when a LOT of stake holders will be looking over their shoulders. I bet they have yet to think deeply about the issues.

Ironically, for the first time ever, there is a health risk related to vaping but it's tainted T_C liquid, not flavored nicotine, and it's black market, not walk in retail. Instead of cigarettes, or fenten_l or poisoned T_C they go after flavored eliquid?

 

[Rossum]

Ironically, for the first time ever, there is a health risk related to vaping but it's tainted T_C liquid, not flavored nicotine, and it's black market, not walk in retail. Instead of cigarettes, or fenten_l or poisoned T_C they go after flavored eliquid?

None of that other stuff is depriving them of tax revenue...

 

[phill_nz]

i am just happy michigan has enough money in the coffers to be able to spend some on this abhorrent practice of ( insert activity du jour ) that has long been the bain of all right thinking americans

the michigan government holds freedom above all else .. freedom to do as we dam well please .. no thinking required